warpcrafter wrote:That Mortis Pattern Contemptor is just too much. If Chaos Space Marines could have them, I would potentially be happy, but as that's not likely, Pfeh!

AvatarForm wrote:Stick a few contemptors in, convert em up as Khornate or whichever you choose and use the SW or BA codexes... the choice is yours.

DarkStarSabre wrote:And this proves the point of disgruntled CSM players everywhere and folks who are unamused by the lack of balance between Codexes.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:Stick a few contemptors in, convert em up as Khornate or whichever you choose and use the SW or BA codexes... the choice is yours.

And this proves the point of disgruntled CSM players everywhere and folks who are unamused by the lack of balance between Codexes.

cadbren wrote:Out of interest, what could they do for Tau other than more crisis suits?

cadbren wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Its funny, when the presenter talks about different projects in generalities... no mention of SoB, Tau, or Necron guess FW has no love of those armies either.

Out of interest, what could they do for Tau other than more crisis suits?

Dysartes wrote:That's a fairly large gap on the shoulder of the flying bull in the left-hand pic, Kroothawk.

Kroothawk wrote:

cadbren wrote:Out of interest, what could they do for Tau other than more crisis suits?

Counterquestions:
What could they do for IG other than more tanks?
What could they do for Space marines except more Dreadnoughts and shoulder pads?

That said, Tau had some nice support by FW already. Now some other fractions like Dark Eldar and Necrons could use some models.

BTW here more pics by Breotan:

AvatarForm wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:That Mortis Pattern Contemptor is just too much. If Chaos Space Marines could have them, I would potentially be happy, but as that's not likely, Pfeh!

Guys, this is a hobby which means you can model your army as you choose, including paintschemes of the Traitor legions, while using the SM Codex if you wish to field these.

There is no reason you cannot model your army the way you wish, within reason. Keep it WYSIWYG while still adding your personal flourishes.

Im doing a 13th Company Wulfen force, Im swapping in CSM armour and weapons to show they scavenging and field repairs they make in addition to a non-standard paintscheme.

This doesnt stop me from playing them as SW.

You shouldnt limit yourselves either.

Stick a few contemptors in, convert em up as Khornate or whichever you choose and use the SW or BA codexes... the choice is yours.

Master Melta wrote:The more I think about this, the more disappointed I am. Maybe the up coming releases will change my mind but a bunch of weapons for the new dreads is a pretty weak release. Don't get me wrong, I think they are awesome and wants them but they are just weapon options.

Is that the big news? Are there no other new figs?

Lots of cool warhammer stuff but that's half the game, not the one I play.

Forge World wrote:As we mentioned somewhere below, much of our terrain range is currently discontinued while our new Scenery Designer reviews and remasters many of the models. Keep checking the newsletter and http://www.forgeworld.co.u​k/Warhammer-40000/Warhamme​r_40,000_Terrain to see what is currently available. Rest assured we'll be releasing new terrain and restoring older pieces to sale over the coming months.

Master Melta wrote:The more I think about this, the more disappointed I am. Maybe the up coming releases will change my mind but a bunch of weapons for the new dreads is a pretty weak release. Don't get me wrong, I think they are awesome and wants them but they are just weapon options.

Is that the big news? Are there no other new figs?

Lots of cool warhammer stuff but that's half the game, not the one I play.

aka_mythos wrote:
Additionally FW is doing a number of hollow resin gaming table tiles compatible with the Realms of Battle game scenery to accompany each campaign for 40k and Fantasy.

warboss wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:
Additionally FW is doing a number of hollow resin gaming table tiles compatible with the Realms of Battle game scenery to accompany each campaign for 40k and Fantasy.

I think the big news is that they referred to those tiles specifically as "affordable". We'll have to see what that eventually means in relations to FW normal markup over GW plastic equivalents (or FW discount for all the Oz players!).

aka_mythos wrote:$100 is a bit steep for most people for a piece of terrain... but I guess relative to other terrain FW's done its good deal. Now if FW would do a no-interior reaver titan, hollow cast it, and bring down the price... many more people would be excited.

To save you from having to peer quizzically at blurry photos on various forums, we're excited to present some of the higlights from Mark Bedford's seminar at Games Day Chicago

Kanluwen wrote:
They were talking about 60 GBP as the pricepoint at one point.

Comes out to roughly $100 USD for a tile with scenery built into it.

They were also talking about each piece apparently having some special rules, like the Strongpoint allowing you to bring your reserves in from it etc.

aka_mythos wrote:$100 is a bit steep for most people for a piece of terrain... but I guess relative to other terrain FW's done its good deal.

Kanluwen wrote:Lietpold, Lietpold, he's gonna be my general. Cause he's neat, and he's chiq, but mostly cause he's neat.

Watch out! Here comes Lietpold!

Anyways...I really like Lietpold. Can't quite figure out what his iconography is, outside of maybe his Border Princedom.
Also: he's a Mercenary General. He has a box full of gold on the back of his pony.

Alpharius wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:$100 is a bit steep for most people for a piece of terrain... but I guess relative to other terrain FW's done its good deal. Now if FW would do a no-interior reaver titan, hollow cast it, and bring down the price... many more people would be excited.

Now THERE is an awesome idea!

Have you forwarded that one to the appropriate people yet?

Kanluwen wrote:Bear in mind, that was the pricepoint they talked about when they first introduced it on the website and they were trying to bring the price down as much as they could without compromising quality.

aka_mythos wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:$100 is a bit steep for most people for a piece of terrain... but I guess relative to other terrain FW's done its good deal. Now if FW would do a no-interior reaver titan, hollow cast it, and bring down the price... many more people would be excited.

Now THERE is an awesome idea!

Have you forwarded that one to the appropriate people yet?

No... something tells me FW would ignore it. I think they like certain toys having an air of exclusivity. Don't le me stop you if you want to forward it.

Forge World wrote:As we mentioned somewhere below, much of our terrain range is currently discontinued while our new Scenery Designer reviews and remasters many of the models. Keep checking the newsletter and http://www.forgeworld.co.u​k/Warhammer-40000/Warhamme​r_40,000_Terrain to see what is currently available. Rest assured we'll be releasing new terrain and restoring older pieces to sale over the coming months.

Kroothawk wrote:

Forge World wrote:As we mentioned somewhere below, much of our terrain range is currently discontinued while our new Scenery Designer reviews and remasters many of the models. Keep checking the newsletter and http://www.forgeworld.co.u​k/Warhammer-40000/Warhamme​r_40,000_Terrain to see what is currently available. Rest assured we'll be releasing new terrain and restoring older pieces to sale over the coming months.

Good news indeed, must have overread that one.
And good to see the official preview pics more than a week before release

How I spent my summer (Gamesday) Vacation

Most of my time was either in seminars, or hanging out talking to the luminaries at the studio guest table.


Will Hayes:

Contemptor Dreadnought Arms- Assault Cannon, Plasma Cannon, Twin Heavy Bolters, Twin Autocannons. Plasma gun in DCCW arm option.

Venerable and Chapter-specific Contemptors next, taking advantage of shoulders being part of the Dreadnought kit and not the weapon packs.

Discussed Crassius rules- limited use now, since only 30 capacity. I suggested making it 31 or 36, and/or giving command vehicle rule like Chimaera.

I asked about female princeps, alternate heads, and amniotic tank princeps options- unsure about female princeps possibility, I mentioned the one in Helsreach. Head options maybe, but likely not. Liked the idea of the tank princeps, perhaps as a special character, an ancient veteran princpes confined to the tank. Would maybe come with alternate faceplate or other options for making the titan distinct.

Warlord Titan- Not started yet, in the idea phase. 22-24 inches tall (60cm) based on an update of the beetleback design. Hadn't considered the secondary weapon mounts on the beetleback, likely would not include. Head likely skull-face appearance.

I asked about the correlation between shield generators and void shields in rules on the Mars warhound and Reaver. He hadn't thought about it, but agreed that it works really well to designate shields lost when played. Discussed placement of void shields on Warlor if 6 on there. Possibly two on each side rear, two in front on "hood."

Discussed carapace weapon mount. Didn't want to just flip the warhound weapons over. At that point I grabbed a sharpie and piece of paper and sketched out a quick turret idea. Will then drew his version- curved front slopes into flat back. Some mechanical gribblies on the sides. On the back, each gun would have a different ammo block that attaches, and the guns themselves would probably be mounted to a curved mantlet to attach to the front. I suggested mounting on a cylinder so the guns could be elevated. I still have the sketch.


Mark Bedford:

Elysian Veteran oncept pictures, mentioned as maybe too Halo looking. I thought they are great and urged them to be made. I also asked about a drop troop commissar. Elysians likely to be drip-fed models. Maybe a few with IA 11.

Most of the rest of my discussion with him was rehashed in the FW seminar.


Jes Goodwin

Void Raven bomber art, and pictures for SSlyth and poisoner.
Void Raven is larger Razorwing, with two more engines, angular glass canopy in the nose, stubby Void Lances. Discussed frame breakdown, likely to end up on three tank sprues.

Poisoner is female, wearing a mix of armor plates and sort of a kimono.

Sslyth is snake like. No legs, sits on tail. 4 arms, with CC weapons. Crocodile like head.

Used to allow pictures of concept art, but doesn't/can't anymore since other companies/individuals have used that art as a basis for knockoffs in the past. Especially unhappy with the argument that since his work is "derivative" that pirating the design is fair game.

Another thing he dislikes is how people say things online that they would never say in person. Mentioned an e-mail received from someone who hoped GW would go under. Responded asking if the person really wanted the company to shut down and employees to lose their jobs. Person seemed surprised, but still said yes.

I mentioned Warseer, and was surprised when he recognized me from here. He also gave a shout-out to Harry. We then segued into a major discussion of the internet response to GW.
Doesn't mind people who dislike his models, but anrgy when people call designers "lazy".
Haemculous and Beastmaster/beasts specifically brought up.
Haemi pose was intentionally cruciform, with a sort of "go ahead and shoot me, I don't care."
Beastmaster was done by Jes on spare time.

He asked what I thought of the Storm Raven, and I said that I leave the tails off mine for aesthetics. Otherwise, I kind of like them.

He asked what I thought the next major internet complaint would be, and I said that if Mat Ward was writing the Necron book (lots of hedging here by both of us, rather humorous) that there would be two weeks plus of whining and doomsday. Jes agreed that that was likely, and that some designers don't go online because there are so many people spewing vitriol. He thought it was unfortunate that people have such a narrow mindset that they prejudge a release even before knowing what is inside, or twist parts to suit their complaints. He mentioned that Ward especially gets this treatment, especially by people who would never say it to his face. Criticism is fine, but simple whining/hatred is not justified. Did not like seeing someone with a banner "taking the piss" about Mat Ward.

Female Imperial Guard- "People want what they can't have" and was joking with me about a comment I made about the quality of female models by GW.

Pricing of models is nothing to do with Jes. pricing done by others.

Medusae and Ur-Ghul in cabinet. Medusae has 2 different complete head options. Got to discussing the Ur-Ghul. Jes explained that it originally came from a throwaway line about a temple of the Ur-ghul, and when asked what they were, they ended up being expanded into a race and unit entry. Also got to discussing Urghul skin, and how it is like shark skin. Some Archons like to wrap the hilts of their weapons with Ur-ghul leather.

Ended when the FW seminar as about tostart and someone wanted to do an interview. Final discussion about pirates vs ninjas- Ninjas win was agreed upon.

I had a great time talking with all three people.

Jes, Mark, Will, thanks for putting up with all my questions and suggestions.

Iracundus wrote:Why not have a release of his concepts in a BL release (like the one done earlier)?

That was actually mentioned to him. There is a Blanche art book coming up at some point. I don't remember what he aid about doing his concepts in a book though.

As for Dark Eldar characters, I didn't see any pictures for them. Just the four court models and the Bomber. Two court models are already out, the next two may be in work. As for the bomber, I think it is at the 3D CAD and sprue design stage. We got to discussing how it would break down on a sprue, and he had some pretty solid ideas of how it would end up- 3 tank sprues to the fighters 2, main body as one piece, wings separate between the pair of engines (four engines total), front canards attached to the main hull to avoid a flat flat join. We spent so long looking at it I could probably draw it fairly well from memory. It looks like a heavier version of the fighter, both share many of the same style elements.

There was some thought to having the tips of the necrotoxin? missile be clear plastic, but the depth of cuts required made it look chunky and so they went with normal plastic. One unused missile concept was shark-looking, done as a joke.

[edit] I keep remembering stuff. Wish I had a computer Sat, I would have been more organized.
Jes on plastic mini-sprues. He really likes them. Designed for Fantasy, but likely to move over to 40K as well. Would like to make them as mini-kits, modular, not just monopose, but not his call. Starting to add options. No 40K ones yet, but he got really excited talking about a SM chaplain with a head variant.