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I mean, this is just School Bullies who never grew up, and never took their licks.

It's pathetic. Show these idiots a true gangster, a true hardman, and they'd be wetting themselves skriking for their Mummy before you know it.

kronk wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Also it seems the rioters have control of an estate in Hackney, have blocked off the streets with barricades.

By an estate you mean they took a large house and are blocking people out of it?

Not sure, it could be anything from a group of houses from twenty to over one hundred, to tower blocks with dozens of apartments.

This kinda thing..










Another raging fire, but in Croydon, some other shop ablaze probably with peoples flats above it, sad times.

Its not pathetic. Its free enterprise. They are just liberating needed items from THE MAN. now if THE MAN declared martial law and started shooting looters like you would after any natural distaster, this would end.

Or, if you want to get hard core drop 1,500 lbs of beef, and release 5,000 wiener dogs. Then there will be a reckoning!

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

Not sure, it could be anything from a group of houses from twenty to over one hundred, to tower blocks with dozens of apartments.

This kinda thing..

Thanks for the explanation. An estate here would be a mansion or other large property, generally with one house on it.

Ah gotcha, yeah here in the UK, an estate is a housing area. Out of the big cities it'll be similar to american suburbs, with lots of houses, gardens with a few connecting streets.

In London the larger tower blocks are also common, with loads of flats. It can mean either.


The Croydon's fire is huge, multiple shops gone by the looks of it, with additional fires in the area.

We also still have traditional Estates with a large manor house +/- houses for the peons/staff/serfs.

Aye true that, multiple uses, can get confusing.

The riots moved all the way to lewisham, my god this is stupid.

You need to let out soccer hooligans to counter riot, like you would a forest fire to create fire breaks.

reds8n wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Alternatively, London could summon Gozor the Traveller to deal with the looters. That might not end well.

He's been in charge of London transport policy for several years now. If you trace the ring roads they form arcance glyphs and sigils.

There is a reason why the HMS Belfast's main guns are trained on the Scratchwood Services on the M1.

Frazzled, your jokes aren't even remotely helping. Stop being a dick.

Nightmare, due to problems getting firecrews in, the Croydon fire is out of control, and its raging so hard its caught the opposite side of the street on fire.

Crazy scenes.

Albatross wrote:Frazzled, your jokes aren't even remotely helping. Stop being a dick.

I think they are. You either fight, run, or make fun of it. You can't run. Its not politically correct to fight (even though it works excellently for dictatorships) so you might as well make fun of it.

I particularly like the counter rioters, but then started to think about it. Why aren't your soccer hooligans fighting back? Get your neighbors together and protect your neighborhoods people.

Frazzled wrote:Its not pathetic. Its free enterprise. They are just liberating needed items from THE MAN. now if THE MAN declared martial law and started shooting looters like you would after any natural distaster, this would end.

Would? Martial law wasn't declared after Katrina, or after Deepwater Horzion, or after the Texas wildfires, or after the Mississippi flooded in '94, or after Andrew, or after any other American, or Western, natural disaster I can recall.

Mr Mystery wrote:

MrH wrote:Just bring out the tanks and wipe them all off the face of the planet.

Nope. Bring out the population. Get them marching, right at the rioting scum. Show them a community united, a community uncowed by their antisocial behaviour. Not only would this be a slap in the face to the rioters, but you might also see an overall reduction in gang culture, as they discover that a community united, and just wanting a peaceful existence is one of the most powerful forces on this earth.

Why should "the population" do this? How about, instead, the community appoints a few people to act as their voice and put down riots like this. They could be entrusted to keep the peace, and be given greater authority than the regular population to suppress and detain people who act out.

If those don't work, you could have another group who are given even wider authority to suppress and detain people who are acting against the interests of the population. Maybe give them better weapons and superior training and the authority to go to foreign nations when the interests of the population are threatened as well.

Then, you don't have the organizational issue of getting people interested and marching, all you have to do is command these select groups to take care of the problem.

You could call them "police" and "military", but that's just a suggestion.

somebody please drop a nuke on texas so I can make a joke about frazzled and his family.

Albatross wrote:Frazzled, your jokes aren't even remotely helping. Stop being a dick.

They also aren't funny. So unfunny that they are difficult to legitimately process as jokes.

Frazzled wrote:
I think they are. You either fight, run, or make fun of it.

Or ignore it. Or commit suicide.

Frazzled wrote:
You can't run. Its not politically correct to fight (even though it works excellently for dictatorships) so you might as well make fun of it.

Indeed it does often work well for dictatorships. However, they have the advantage of dictatorial control. Shooting one person caused a riot, shooting many will cause more, and those soldiers you depend on for shooting people often don't like shooting their peers who, statistically, are likely to riot.

Dictatorships are not like democracies, and even dictatorships have to confront the fact that shooting people is problematic without a significant social barrier between the armed services and civilians.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Its not pathetic. Its free enterprise. They are just liberating needed items from THE MAN. now if THE MAN declared martial law and started shooting looters like you would after any natural distaster, this would end.

Would? Martial law wasn't declared after Katrina, or after Deepwater Horzion, or after the Texas wildfires, or after the Mississippi flooded in '94, or after Andrew, or after any other American, or Western, natural disaster I can recall.

Its always fun when you don't know what you're talking about. I will only speak of personal experience.

Funny I missed the National Guard convention after Katrina. I guess thousands of dudes just showed up in uniform and managed to get a hold of aircraft and M16s. Talk about excellent re-enactors. You must not have paid attention to the boobtube much.

IKE had the city in full lock down with police announcement made by the mayor and county judge that looters would be shot on sight. We also didn't have riots. Our neighborhood had guys at the entrance and exit for a week.

Back in the day, police were out after Alicia as well, with the same statement.

Fires. I don't think anyone is looting during the wildfires. They are too busy trying to get the hell out of there. I've driven through two. Its weird driving through smoke and burning trees (I have). Its like out of a movie.






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whatwhat wrote:somebody please drop a nuke on texas so I can make a joke about frazzled and his family.

Pah we are prepared for you insolence. Wiener Dog command is ready.

The National Guard showing up to help with a flood isn't remotely the same thing as declaring, and enforcing, Martial Law. They go to a of disaster areas (one might think it was something they do) and almost never have been involved in Martial Law.

Frazzled wrote:
Funny I missed the National Guard convention after Katrina. I guess thousands of dudes just showed up in uniform and managed to get a hold of aircraft and M16s. Talk about excellent re-enactors. You must not have paid attention to the boobtube much.

But martial law was not declared. There is a distinction between deploying the National Guard and declaring martial law.

Frazzled wrote:
IKE had the city in full lock down with police announcement made by the mayor and county judge that looters would be shot on sight. We also didn't have riots. Our neighborhood had guys at the entrance and exit for a week.

A mayor can declare martial law in the United States? I was unaware that US cities had command of the military.

Also, no looters?




Right.

Frazzled wrote:
Back in the day, police were out after Alicia as well, with the same statement.

Police are not military.

Frazzled wrote:
Fires. I don't think anyone is looting during the wildfires. They are too busy trying to get the hell out of there. I've driven through two. Its weird driving through smoke and burning trees (I have). Its like out of a movie.

You seem to be confusing "martial law" with "looting" and a number of other things.

Its a joke this is going on for as long as this. Its just a massive looting operation. How will the stores be compensated for the lost stock and extensive damage; as well as home owners?

Its cool if they riot against the police and get the "message across" but pulling people out their cars to burn them down and damaging million of pounds worth of property for what? The black guy who was shot was a crack dealer who was one of the founders of the north stars gang in north london, they did us a favour.

Now its everywhere in london....all for what? Most of the people now rioting are just youths wanting to look hard.

What 'message' requires a riot against the police?

Mr Hyena wrote:How will the stores be compensated for the lost stock and extensive damage; as well as home owners?

I assume private insurance. Failing that, I'm sure the government will pay for a lot of the damage.

shoggoth wrote:Its cool if they riot against the police and get the "message across"

I think you're confusing "protesting" with "rioting". At least, I hope so.

Sorry, whether or not martial law is actually declared, if guys in uniforms with assault rifles are clearing the streets of looters, then its the same thing. Semantics are not relevant when they have guns and can shoot you.

Put troops out. Stop the riots.
Put police out with orders to stop the riots at all costs. Stop the riots.
Get your neighbors together to protect your own nieghborhoods.

Now I remember why I quit posting here. Carry on.

Mr Hyena wrote:What 'message' requires a riot against the police?

I think it would be about them shooting an unarmed man, who had a replica gun in the trunk of his car(at the time)

Its happen a few times but the one i remember most was back in the day, a man was shot because he had a wooden chair leg in his bag, the police assumed it was a gun and shot him down.


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biccat wrote:
I think you're confusing "protesting" with "rioting". At least, I hope so.

You could say its their way of protesting? lol

Man, hope you guys in the UK are hanging on alright. This looks (iirc) like one of the bigger riots you guys have had this decade (If not before). Have there been any news from credible authorities about use of military troops to supplement the (apparently inadequate) police on the scene?

The gun was a replica modified to fire real bullets. My farther has been away now for 48 hours, organising some of the riot police, with 3 hours rest. These pathetic fethers better back the hell off.

I think it would be about them shooting an unarmed man, who had a replica gun in the trunk of his car(at the time)

Its happen a few times but the one i remember most was back in the day, a man was shot because he had a wooden chair leg in his bag, the police assumed it was a gun and shot him down.

You'd rather police take the risk and get shot?

You could say its their way of protesting? lol

Its not a protest. Its a bunch of savage animals running amok.

darkPrince010 wrote:Man, hope you guys in the UK are hanging on alright. This looks (iirc) like one of the bigger riots you guys have had this decade (If not before). Have there been any news from credible authorities about use of military troops to supplement the (apparently inadequate) police on the scene?

Not yet, but i hope they do soon