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Personally im not a fan of the original leaf blower list now looking at it. Doesnt look that great IMHO.

DarthDiggler wrote:
If you did not do any of that during your game, then you forfit the right to talk about it afterwards. That's just so passive-aggressive. I hate it when a guy cheats at Ard Boyz and you are right, it happens in Ard Boyz because

1. The Prize
2. No painting
3. Free

Blatent cheating will continue as long as there are people who are to "laid back" to call someone out openly and in public during these events.

What is with correlating non-painted armies to cheating? I know people who don't paint get on in this forum with great regularity (no pun intended), but I'm sure that there are just as many people with cheating tendencies who paint as those who do not.

isanti13 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:

isanti13 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:I think grey knights might negatively effect the hobby. So many of them and there numbers ever growing it might drive players to put down their armies for a little bit as it can get real boring playing against the same army at every tournament.

You were playing leafblower IG... Pot calling the kettle black much?

lol, I only had 1 leman russ and 1 manticore, no artillery pieces, and no infantry platoons. You should look up leafblower IG. My list was of my own design. I will post it later when i post my battle reports. Also hate to break it to you the original leaf blower list isn't even the top list anymore or even possible given the removal of allies.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/09/40k-ard-boys-armylist-leafblower.html

There are many brands of leafblowers, but they are all alpha strike need-first-turn-to-win lists

I actually designed mine to survive the first turn! First turn or not I planned on deploying my entire army. This was my plan going into the tournament given my build you would understand why.

isanti13 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:

isanti13 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:I think grey knights might negatively effect the hobby. So many of them and there numbers ever growing it might drive players to put down their armies for a little bit as it can get real boring playing against the same army at every tournament.

You were playing leafblower IG... Pot calling the kettle black much?

lol, I only had 1 leman russ and 1 manticore, no artillery pieces, and no infantry platoons. You should look up leafblower IG. My list was of my own design. I will post it later when i post my battle reports. Also hate to break it to you the original leaf blower list isn't even the top list anymore or even possible given the removal of allies.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/09/40k-ard-boys-armylist-leafblower.html

There are many brands of leafblowers, but they are all alpha strike need-first-turn-to-win lists

I went second in two of my three games and did just fine. Leafblower is a silly catch-all for IG, but really it is just Mech Guard.

Darkwynn wrote:

Centurian99 wrote:Won Michigan yesterday with Chaos Daemons.

1st (Me)
2nd & 3rd (Grey Knights - can't remember names)

26 total players.

What did you pay them all off Bill?

Funny thing was, there were a lot of GK players there...and I didn't face any of them. (Wanted to, as my list is designed to make GK players cry). But basically, round 1 turned out to be very tough for the GK players to max out in. A lot of 23s, but for some reason I think none of them got 24. Round 2 was challenging for everyone...Nobody massacred.

So I faced a Black Templar army in round 1 and massacred it. Faced a Space Wolf Thunderwolves, and pulled out a minor victory with full bonus. Apparently, I was still at the top going into 3, and faced a battlewagon ork horde.

Round 1 was pretty one-sided, and we ended up calling it after turn 5 because he had a single immobilized rhino. Round 2 was really challenging. Had wonky dice, and my preferred half was in reserve. Had that game ended after 5, I would have had a major loss, but in turn 6 I swarmed the objective and killed off all his remaining troops, jumped Fateweaver on top of the objective, and ran my last two troop units into range. Round 3...well, I brought rock, he brought scissors. We were in assault on turn 1, and I think we called it after turn 3 because the only things he had left were a squad of boyz and a battlewagon, and he was looking at having those units get jumped by about half my army.

I think the GK players, in general, had a tough time getting max bonus points. Plus there were a lot of GK on GK matchups that (I think) basically resulted in draws.

Games To Die For. Indianapolis IN.

#1. Ork Hoard. (70 points, Triple Massacre)
#2. Logan Wing. (64 points, Triple Massacre)
#3. Leman Russ Squadron IG. (Me, 60 points, Major Vic, Major Vic, Massacre)

Had around 40 people show up, only one rules issue during the whole day that I knew of. Organizers ran a fairly tight ship, everyone was really friendly, and the place was pretty nice. I would happily go back there again any time, but instead I live in Lexington KY.

Tomb King wrote:Personally im not a fan of the original leaf blower list now looking at it. Doesnt look that great IMHO.

Because that isn't the original leaf blower and the list didn't need to go first to win. Tired of people talking out of their ass having no idea how the list even works.

augustus5 wrote:

DarthDiggler wrote:
If you did not do any of that during your game, then you forfit the right to talk about it afterwards. That's just so passive-aggressive. I hate it when a guy cheats at Ard Boyz and you are right, it happens in Ard Boyz because

1. The Prize
2. No painting
3. Free

Blatent cheating will continue as long as there are people who are to "laid back" to call someone out openly and in public during these events.

What is with correlating non-painted armies to cheating? I know people who don't paint get on in this forum with great regularity (no pun intended), but I'm sure that there are just as many people with cheating tendencies who paint as those who do not.

In this situation, the non-painting directly led to cheating because neither player could distinguish which models were from which unit which lead to game-impacting rulebreaking. While the same thing could have happened with painted models with no distinguishing marks, I would say this is a problem much more encountered with unpainted models.

Unpainted models are harder to distinguish, and in a tourney that doesn't require painting, it should still require clear identification of which models are in which unit. This is the responsibility of the person who chooses not to paint their models to provide a good way of distinguishing that doesn't include paint.

Darkwynn wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Personally im not a fan of the original leaf blower list now looking at it. Doesnt look that great IMHO.

Because that isn't the original leaf blower and the list didn't need to go first to win. Tired of people talking out of their ass having no idea how the list even works.

I didnt say it did. Someone else did. Well at least I was served by the man who ran it. If your saying I dont know my guard you would be wrong especially since I am one of only 3 guard players so far to take first with there guard this round of ard boyz. My list is considerably different then what was reported as the leaf blower. I only took 6 troop choices to the second round this year with my 51st Cadian Mechanized Division.

Tomb King wrote:

Darkwynn wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Personally im not a fan of the original leaf blower list now looking at it. Doesnt look that great IMHO.

Because that isn't the original leaf blower and the list didn't need to go first to win. Tired of people talking out of their ass having no idea how the list even works.

I didnt say it did. Someone else did. Well at least I was served by the man who ran it. If your saying I dont know my guard you would be wrong especially since I am one of only 3 guard players so far to take first with there guard this round of ard boyz. My list is considerably different then what was reported as the leaf blower. I only took 6 troop choices to the second round this year with my 51st Cadian Mechanized Division.

Just a heads up, winning doesn't mean you know something. That said I have no doubt you know your Guard, the original leaf blower list was downright silly. The lists people run now are in fact much better but this has happened due to shifts in the meta.

Gratz on taking first, I was kicking myself all day for not taking guard. ( Space Wolves instead)

Gratz to the winners out there I sincerely hope GW doesnt make you some slowed 2500 pt lists

Fairview Heights, IL had a great turnout. Had 24+ reserve and I think 23 showed and we had one fellow come to try and fill in. Great crowd!

Final standings were something like..
1) Dark Eldar (me)
2) Dark Eldar
3) Grey Knights (I think?)
4) Tyranids

I don't know how many were moving on to finals though. I think 2nd and 3rd passed.

As a Grey Knight player I do not want to go up against a Chaos Demon army.

Fateweaver+blessing of the blood god=bad times.

Tyranids on the other hand...

Blackmoor wrote:As a Grey Knight player I do not want to go up against a Chaos Demon army.

Fateweaver+blessing of the blood god=bad times.

Tyranids on the other hand...

Its the henchmen who do some real damage to deamons in hth. Adding a banisher > fateweaver, DCA plus rad and psychoke nades also ruin any assault.

Ard boys made me lose my desire to play this game

FeindusMaximus wrote:Ard boys made me lose my desire to play this game

It is one tournament and not even an important one at that. Please do not let ard boyz dictate your opinion of the game. It is ran to a point where it rewards the nastiest list you can field. I said multiple times I would never play the list I brought outside of ard boyz. Only reason I brought such a nasty list is because I knew GK would bring a nastier one and I had to have a counter for them for my all comers. Ard boyz is one event once a year and not even considered part of the competitive tournament circuit. Drive on and enjoy this great hobby.

FeindusMaximus wrote:Ard boys made me lose my desire to play this game

Feel free to send me your army if you don't want to play anymore.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Gratz to the winners out there I sincerely hope GW doesnt make you some slowed 2500 pt lists

I 2nd this last comment! I wanted sisters of battle, dark angels, Dark Eldar or even space wolves but I was advised that none of these would come the way I wanted them. So I chose IG because I am a broke college student and will probably just sell the army anyways.

shank911 wrote:The Houston area kid also cheated
He played that a vehicle moving flat out that gets destroyed allows his men to come out freely

FAQ which I showed to him states there all dead. But he ignored me.

I was the guy who placed third with BA. I was also the only one to beat that kid (read barely) as it was a very tough game and he does know the rules well. Correct me if I am wrong but he didn't get Imobilized during his movement phase but in your shooting phase. If I remember correctly that is. Since that was the case they could get out. In any case you should have called wthe TO over and had him rule on it. It wasn't like he wasn't all over the place. If I am wrong about when it got Imobilized then sorry, but I don't think so. Your not getting the TO envolved was your fault in any situation. Don't trash the young man about something if you didn't call him on it.

Which player where you btw.


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FTHDace wrote:Ya took 2nd at Skirmish in Deer Park. Lost out on 1st by 1pt. Was still fun and had some really fun games.

Yeah it was close for us three as 2 points spread it could have swung either way. I am just glad ,we got to play against different people instead of a rematch of the pre lims.

Spacecurves wrote:
I thought the missions were generally better this year, except for the fact that different tables could get different victory conditions on the last mission. The way it turned out the top tables all rolled table quarters, so it actually ended up being even, but still bad design I think.

-Ben

Well the missions are usually super bad but the first two still seemed kind of goofy. It really seems like every round of every year should heavily influence your army selection. It seemed like people willing to take 10+ scoring units for the second mission would be at a significant advantage in terms of their overall performance for the tournament. I took 12.

I don't have any problem with people on different tables playing for different objectives. What is the problem with that? It's just another variable like terrain, player, army. At least that mission makes you think and unlike the first two you could happily play from reserves.

Yeah though overall bad design like just about every year.


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Yeah I am really tired of playing MSU vs MSU with such short time limits. Everything needs to be 30 minutes longer. 150 minutes for 2500 is not enough. Even if I get on my opponent about time after 30-45 and keep impressing they just can't move that fast because they have so many options. I end up using about 1/3rd of the clock and sometimes you are just lucky if you get to roll for RGL. It sucks that the prize is so great, not attending is not an option.

UPSTATE NY! Represent!

Sooo my ‘ard boys experience, First off I play Daemons and yes I think I am going to start a support group! First round I played a space wolf list 9 drop pods Logan with long fangs other pods had lots of Grey hunters! I tabled him took full points. Second Match I am waiting at the table and I am at the top table sweet! I look at the name I am playing its some guy called Jay W so I ask around I hear he plays for Team America, Sweet! Then I am told he plays Grey Knights (UGH!!!!!) I AM F---ED, So it was a great game lots of back and forth but he did end up beating me but I did manage to squeak 2 points off him, and I still had both HQ’s and one Troop left on the board, we had to stop at the top of turn 5 due to time, I did not get my turn (think I could have cleaned some of his troops off the objective but that’s ok) it was a great game lots of fun. Third match, Dual lash CSM new player lots of rhinos and a land raider, I did end up tabling him and getting full points which put me square in 4th place! I am good with it, all in all had a great time and a lot of fun! I also think that if I had not played a GK list on the 2nd match I would have done better but I will never know! Haha!

There's a lot of complaining about GK's in a thread that is mostly populated by results that don't in fact have GK's as the winning army.

In OKC our results were..

1. Space Marines
2. Blood Angels (mech w/ fear)
3. Space Marines

Dont get me wrong I am not complaining about GK's, but as a daemon army I am kind of F-ed more then other armys that play them!

Nachsville wrote:Springfield IL

1st. Henchmen Gk with 2 storm ravens
2nd. Mech space wolves with Njal and thunderwolves (me)
3rd. Coteaz+Draigo gk with 5 dreads

8 or 9 out of 20 players brought gk

good luck. I was one of the GK players there.

OneMeanDuck wrote:I personally hate ard boys now. I got the only player with 3 wins but i got 3rd.. gotta love failpoints

1st Grey Knights
2nd Grey Knights
3rd Chaos Space Marines

Not that many players then? Where were you that had 8 or less people?


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augustus5 wrote:

DarthDiggler wrote:
If you did not do any of that during your game, then you forfit the right to talk about it afterwards. That's just so passive-aggressive. I hate it when a guy cheats at Ard Boyz and you are right, it happens in Ard Boyz because

1. The Prize
2. No painting
3. Free

Blatent cheating will continue as long as there are people who are to "laid back" to call someone out openly and in public during these events.

What is with correlating non-painted armies to cheating? I know people who don't paint get on in this forum with great regularity (no pun intended), but I'm sure that there are just as many people with cheating tendencies who paint as those who do not.

People that cheat at tournaments tend to get called on it. It's not a good experience. They learn that if they cheat, they are probably getting called on it. They learn to cheat less.

People that don't paint play in less tournaments.

So 'Ardboyz comes around, and there is a bit of an outpouring of people that only play once a year, and some of those are the guys that cheat and bully their friends in basements and haven't been brought to see the light. So not really a case of 'not painting' = 'more chance of cheating'. I also see a lot of people that play at GW stores where ironically no one makes them learn the rules or paint. I spend a lot of time with these players round 1 explaining basic rules of the game.

I was called out the 3rd match I was allocating the wounds on bloodcrushers and the person called over the TO to ask if what I was doing was legal, which it was, he told me that the last 2 people he was playing cheated him. In my 2nd match the guy was shooting a auto cannon and only rolled 3 dice, I told him he had to roll 4. If you don’t play fair then it’s a hollow win and not good for karma!

Tomb King wrote:

Darkwynn wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Personally im not a fan of the original leaf blower list now looking at it. Doesnt look that great IMHO.

Because that isn't the original leaf blower and the list didn't need to go first to win. Tired of people talking out of their ass having no idea how the list even works.

I didnt say it did. Someone else did. Well at least I was served by the man who ran it. If your saying I dont know my guard you would be wrong especially since I am one of only 3 guard players so far to take first with there guard this round of ard boyz. My list is considerably different then what was reported as the leaf blower. I only took 6 troop choices to the second round this year with my 51st Cadian Mechanized Division.

@Tomb King
I am not saying you don't know your army i never said that. I am just saying that isn't the orginal leafblower list that was posted. I am more annoyed who ever was the other guy who said that IG needs to go first to win. It only shows a novice understanding of 40k at best.


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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Tomb King wrote:

Darkwynn wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Personally im not a fan of the original leaf blower list now looking at it. Doesnt look that great IMHO.

Because that isn't the original leaf blower and the list didn't need to go first to win. Tired of people talking out of their ass having no idea how the list even works.

I didnt say it did. Someone else did. Well at least I was served by the man who ran it. If your saying I dont know my guard you would be wrong especially since I am one of only 3 guard players so far to take first with there guard this round of ard boyz. My list is considerably different then what was reported as the leaf blower. I only took 6 troop choices to the second round this year with my 51st Cadian Mechanized Division.

Just a heads up, winning doesn't mean you know something. That said I have no doubt you know your Guard, the original leaf blower list was downright silly. The lists people run now are in fact much better but this has happened due to shifts in the meta.

Gratz on taking first, I was kicking myself all day for not taking guard. ( Space Wolves instead)

Gratz to the winners out there I sincerely hope GW doesnt make you some slowed 2500 pt lists

The orginal leafblower still holds up very well I can still take that army out in a 2000 poin to 2500 point game and finish the game in 3 turns in my advantage. If your using the list posted on Bols it was incorrect on purpose.

DarthDiggler wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:
Wow, are you really comparing the actions of one person playing with plastic/metal/resin models to the actions of a man who killed millions in cold blood and sent the world into a war that resulted in the use of nuclear weapons?

That said, I agree that we shouldn't enable people to play outside the rules or even break them. I had one situation in my round 2 game that if I had been smart and not "nice" I could have called the TO over and probably won my game. But my opponent was no Adolf Hitler nor am I any Neville Chamberlain.

Can you give me a common example of enabling that lets the abusive party continue their ways? I can give you a bunch, but they are personal experiences, not famous, and no one would understand the comparison except for me. Is there another one you can think of? I'm all ears.

Any of the text book examples. People who enable alcoholics, drug users, parents who enable their childrens poor behavior; there are a myriad of examples of enabling that don't equate either Blackmoor or the player in question with events that resulted in the deaths of millions.

Thunderfrog wrote:There's a lot of complaining about GK's in a thread that is mostly populated by results that don't in fact have GK's as the winning army.

In OKC our results were..

1. Space Marines
2. Blood Angels (mech w/ fear)
3. Space Marines

That is true. And I am one of them! The reason being is that this book can break the game. Litterally it can make the game unplayable. That is bad game design and whag appears to be, to me, blatantly putting sales ahead of the good of the game. That is something that deserves to be pointed out and made a fuss about as hopefully, gamesworkshop sees we won't stand for it and writes better, more balanced rules.

As for people who play the army, they're free to do what they want. as long as a player's list is legal, I will never make a negative remark about the content of tbeir list.

augustus5 wrote:
What is with correlating non-painted armies to cheating? I know people who don't paint get on in this forum with great regularity (no pun intended), but I'm sure that there are just as many people with cheating tendencies who paint as those who do not.

In my experience there are far more people that don't paint than people that do paint, and even if there is no bigger percentage of people who cheat in either group, there are vastly more people who do not paint, and thus there are more cheaters in that group. That said, I've played against people with fully painted armies that had questionable practices when it comes to unit differentiation (An infantry Imperial Guard player that differentiated his units by a tiny spot of color on poorly painted models. From across the table they all looked the same and he bunched them together, then took extra time repeatedly asking which unit you were shooting at. That game didn't finish a 4th turn) but all in all I have had far fewer problems against people that paint their armies. I paint when I can, and I have a very busy schedule, so most of my models are painted with the odd unpainted unit or tank when I have to field high points. Perhaps if I finished painting I could reasonably attend tournaments where people all know the rules and don't cheat. Alas, because I don't have as much time as I would like, I usually have to settle for tournaments that don't score painting if I ever want to win anything.

@Reecius

It can only make the game unplayable for Codex: Daemons. Which I'll agree is bad game design. But no other book is broken by the GK's.