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jy2 wrote:

Reecius wrote:

Skarboy wrote:GK are fine. Are they as good as IG and SW? Not in my opinion, but they are right up there, along with Ultramarines and BA in the upper crust. The lack of competitiveness I've seen with GKs has been lists, not the potential of the codex.

GKs are top dog. They edged Wolves off of the throne in terms of pure power, without question, IMO. As you said, a lot of people play bad lists, but in terms of power level inherent to the book, they are above all others.

I agree. It's not the problem with the codex that they aren't winning yet. It's the players themselves. Most people are still into the "shiny-new-model" syndrome. They really don't know how to build a truly balanced GK army yet. That's why at my Semi-finals location, none of the 6 GK armies (except myself) did particularly well. I don't think they have a firm grasp of a truly good GK army yet.

The codex can be broken but it isnt the best around because of its inability to bring a true all comers list. It will always have an Achilles heal.

Tomb King wrote:
The codex can be broken but it isnt the best around because of its inability to bring a true all comers list. It will always have an Achilles heal.

Oh, the GK's can bring a true all-comer's list alright. And there is no such thing as an army without a weakness. Every build has got an achilles heel. That doesn't mean they can't beat their nemesis-builds. It just means they have to work a little harder to do so.

While Grey Knights may not have the AP1/2 shooting of some of the other armies, it more than makes up for this short-coming with rending psycannons, S5 power weapons in assault and S10 hammers to crack the tougher transports.

jy2 wrote:

Reecius wrote:

Skarboy wrote:GK are fine. Are they as good as IG and SW? Not in my opinion, but they are right up there, along with Ultramarines and BA in the upper crust. The lack of competitiveness I've seen with GKs has been lists, not the potential of the codex.

GKs are top dog. They edged Wolves off of the throne in terms of pure power, without question, IMO. As you said, a lot of people play bad lists, but in terms of power level inherent to the book, they are above all others.

I agree. It's not the problem with the codex that they aren't winning yet. It's the players themselves. Most people are still into the "shiny-new-model" syndrome. They really don't know how to build a truly balanced GK army yet. That's why at my Semi-finals location, none of the 6 GK armies (except myself) did particularly well. I don't think they have a firm grasp of a truly good GK army yet.

I think it's just normal for this period after a release, the majority of GK players (myself included) are still messing with the obviously powerful lists (coteaz/dreadspam + some bits and bobs). The lists are good, but they aren't up to the potential of the book. I've started recently to see some flaws in it and been leaving the box a tad, and been pleasantly surprised. I still think SW are a slightly better army, but I'm also pretty sure we haven't seen "the best" from the GK book yet.

I feel that wolves and IG are still top Bill myself, after playing both IG and wolves against multiple GK opponents and playing them a bit as well. It's close and there are certain things in their codex that are over the top, but same was said about IG and Wolves when they were new.

Tomb King wrote:Finally starting my battle reports. Here is a link: http://frostreaver.net/forums/entry.php?84-Ard-Boyz-Semi-s-Battle-Report-%28Cadian-56th-Mechanized-Division%29 enjoy. Currently working on pictures. Will have them eventually.

I know I am finally starting my battle reports but more importantly does anyone know when they will put out the information regarding the finals such as where it is located and when it will start etc... ?

Anyone know how long it takes for you to get the army of your choice? =)

And Tomb King, I read your first BR, pretty good. Only one thing though, you kind of cheated lol (not saying you did it on purpose or anything just an observation). If you embark or disembark a unit in a vehicle, that vehicle can't go faster than cruising speed "passengers may not embark onto or disembark from a fast vehicle if it has moved (or is going to move) flag out in that movement phase" is the exact rule. Page 70 in my big rulebook, its under the Fast Vehicles section under the fast transport vehicles subheading. So with that said, you shouldn't have been able to move your messenger unit up into your Vendetta and tubo boost into the opposing deployment zone =(. Only Eldar should have been able to do that with the cunning use of Star Engines or Aether sails. It's good to be Eldar!

I guess this is a rule that a lot of people overlook, much like the one that skimmers can't dodge out of a ram if it is another skimmer that is ramming =).

Timmah wrote:

thehod wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:There is a popular blog author that says that the Grey Knights aren't competitive because they lack melta.

Didnt you beat said blog author? I think that kinda invalidates that argument.

Wait, so if I beat someone, it totally invalidates all the stuff they said. Saweet.

That being said, how does anyone consider GK not to be competitive?

It depends on the argument but works for some. Well one tournament or game means nothing in terms of results but multiple tournaments across the nation and a wide spectrum of opponents will give some sort of pulse on how the army is doing. Who know what 6th edition might bring but were talking about GK competitiveness in 5th.

mortetvie wrote:Anyone know how long it takes for you to get the army of your choice? =)

And Tomb King, I read your first BR, pretty good. Only one thing though, you kind of cheated lol (not saying you did it on purpose or anything just an observation). If you embark or disembark a unit in a vehicle, that vehicle can't go faster than cruising speed "passengers may not embark onto or disembark from a fast vehicle if it has moved (or is going to move) flag out in that movement phase" is the exact rule. Page 70 in my big rulebook, its under the Fast Vehicles section under the fast transport vehicles subheading. So with that said, you shouldn't have been able to move your messenger unit up into your Vendetta and tubo boost into the opposing deployment zone =(. Only Eldar should have been able to do that with the cunning use of Star Engines or Aether sails. It's good to be Eldar!

I guess this is a rule that a lot of people overlook, much like the one that skimmers can't dodge out of a ram if it is another skimmer that is ramming =).

wow, never knew that. I am a very seasoned guard player and have never had anyone mention it before or ran into it for that matter. Guess there are not many situations where I jumped in one and then turbo boosted. My opponent even said he would of done the same move had he gone first lol so both of us must of slipped there. I am glad it didnt really effect the game overly that much had I known i could not have done it I would of just shot the dam thing and moved them in on my next turn. Ide prefer made a mistake rather then cheated as cheating derives an intent and on this occasion two veteran guard player were playing and neither of us knew it.

Viewing the rule stated: I know you cant turbo boost or move flat out and embark/disembark. I am not sure that you cant embark and then move normally. I wish I would of brought my rulebook home with me to view this further.

Tomb King wrote:
wow, never knew that. I am a very seasoned guard player and have never had anyone mention it before or ran into it for that matter. Guess there are not many situations where I jumped in one and then turbo boosted. My opponent even said he would of done the same move had he gone first lol so both of us must of slipped there. I am glad it didnt really effect the game overly that much had I known i could not have done it I would of just shot the dam thing and moved them in on my next turn. Ide prefer made a mistake rather then cheated as cheating derives an intent and on this occasion two veteran guard player were playing and neither of us knew it.

Viewing the rule stated: I know you cant turbo boost or move flat out and embark/disembark. I am not sure that you cant embark and then move normally. I wish I would of brought my rulebook home with me to view this further.

You can move and then embark or disembark and visa versa (embark/disembark then move the vehicle). And yeah, seeing as how you went first, I don't see how it could have made that huge of a difference but yeah. In my first game, my opponent put his messenger in a Chimera and I blew it up pretty fast along with the squad that was inside so I figure either most people had their messenger get to the deployment zone with little problem or they had theirs destroyed utterly.

mortetvie wrote:Anyone know how long it takes for you to get the army of your choice? =)

I was told 6 weeks from the semi's. Sometime after the finals.

I was wrong and just looked it up. mortive is correct. that is what the rule is.

Grimgob wrote:You can embark and then turbo boost. you just can't turbo boost then embark or disembark.

That is what I figured. I just didnt have my rulebook with me to disprove it . So whomever stated it, in the future choose your words better please rather then just saying you cheated either accidental or not . Thanks though for the input and if I do make a mistake I would like to be corrected as to not do it again in the future .

Grimgob wrote:I was wrong and just looked it up. mortive is correct. that is what the rule is.

Quoted for truth... hehe =)

Anyone that came in first have their armies posted on dakka?
Please link me if you do.
Thanks!

I came in first in Southern CA with my Eldar, you can follow the link in my sig for the battle reports and what army list I brought.

(http://yriel.blogspot.com/ )

Ard Boyz ROUND 2 posted: http://frostreaver.net/forums/entry.php?86-Ard-Boyz-Semi-s-Battle-Report-%28Cadian-56th-Mechanized-Division%29-Round-2

My Battlewagon orks:

Ghazkull
Big Mek with KFF
7 Lootas
7 Lootas
6 Lootas
10 Nobs, cybork, 3x Klaw, 3x Big Choppa, 3x Skorcha, Waagh banner, painboy, boss poles for optimization
Battlewagon, deffrolla, grot riggas, red paint, armor plates, stickbomb chuckka
20 Boys, 2x Big Shoota, Nob w/ Klaw and pole
20 Boys, 2x Big Shoota, Nob w/ Klaw and pole
19 Boys, 1x Big Shoota, Nob w/ Klaw and pole
12 Boys, Nob w/ Klaw and pole, Trukk
12 Boys, Nob w/ Klaw and pole, Trukk
Deff Kopta
Deff Kopta
Deff Kopta
Battlewagon, deffrolla, red paint, armor plates
Battlewagon, deffrolla, red paint, armor plates
Battlewagon, deffrolla, red paint, armor plates

The Mek could ride in the19 man mob's wagon, but without DOW that didn't happen.

Polonius wrote:My Battlewagon orks:

Ghazkull
Big Mek with KFF
7 Lootas
7 Lootas
6 Lootas
10 Nobs, cybork, 3x Klaw, 3x Big Choppa, 3x Skorcha, Waagh banner, painboy, boss poles for optimization
Battlewagon, deffrolla, grot riggas, red paint, armor plates, stickbomb chuckka
20 Boys, 2x Big Shoota, Nob w/ Klaw and pole
20 Boys, 2x Big Shoota, Nob w/ Klaw and pole
19 Boys, 1x Big Shoota, Nob w/ Klaw and pole
12 Boys, Nob w/ Klaw and pole, Trukk
12 Boys, Nob w/ Klaw and pole, Trukk
Deff Kopta
Deff Kopta
Deff Kopta
Battlewagon, deffrolla, red paint, armor plates
Battlewagon, deffrolla, red paint, armor plates
Battlewagon, deffrolla, red paint, armor plates

The Mek could ride in the19 man mob's wagon, but without DOW that didn't happen.

Orks always drive me Batty...
The last 3 Battlewagons, are bought as HS choices?
As I thought only Nobz' get BW as dedicated transports?
I really need to buy that dang codex...

and Dethrollas suck...

yeah, one dedicated BW, and three as heavies. I thought about squeezing in a fifth, but I was happier with the trukkboys and the loots.

I think GK have the potential to be more competitive then SW because they can have 18 scoring units (grand strategy) to the SW 6...

Matt ward reminds me a lot of Gavin Thorpe, none of Gavs books were balanced and hey look! He doesn't write them any more!

I wish Phil Kelley could write all the new books, DE is GOLD!

Red Corsair wrote:I think GK have the potential to be more competitive then SW because they can have 18 scoring units (grand strategy) to the SW 6...

Matt ward reminds me a lot of Gavin Thorpe, none of Gavs books were balanced and hey look! He doesn't write them any more!

I wish Phil Kelley could write all the new books, DE is GOLD!

Quoted for awesome

Anyone know where the finals are gonna be this year or the schedule or when it might be posted?

You could always check the GW web page (they've been posted for a while now) http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=400002a§ion=community&pIndex=3&aId=9500009&start=4&multiPageMode=true

You could also look in the appropriate thread about 'ard boyz finals location:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/398201.page


Locations at both links =).

Now for the missions and prize support...

lol I really was upset to see it in minnesotta but somehow that is closer then chicago so only a 6 hour drive from my house. If I see that there is gonna be a decent turn out and the prize support isnt horrible I will make the trip.