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What will I call the stuff I add to my paint to slow the drying now?

Also, kind of neat if they do BT. I'm not a huge fan of Space Marines in general, but I do like the whole black and white crusader thing. Black Templar is a pretty cool guy, he kills the xeno and doesn't afraid of anything. Also, they invented the Land Raider crusader, which is my favorite Land Raider.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Corpsman_of_Krieg wrote:[edited] Apparently Dakka has a politically correct message composer now? I typed out the correct spelling of a word, and it spat out "slowed". Interesting. [/edited]

Hmm... let me test it.

slowed.
slow.

[EDIT]: So that's the word they chose to replace it. Interesting choice, given that only a percentage of those people who are actually... that word... would actually be slow. In fact, that word has a lot of different meanings, not all related to mental stability or mental cognitive growth. It's quite sad that an overly touchy staff has changed a word with multiple meanings into a singular meaning. Personally I think it's more offensive to consider those people 'slow', as not all of them are.

Hmm... what about another test: flame-retardant suit. Ok, that worked. Perhaps I should put one on.

Outstanding. That is all.

Ouze wrote:

Also, kind of neat if they do BT. I'm not a huge fan of Space Marines in general, but I do like the whole black and white crusader thing. Black Templar is a pretty cool guy, he kills the xeno and doesn't afraid of anything. Also, they invented the Land Raider crusader, which is my favorite Land Raider.

I have a Vanilla Marine army, but one of my favourite fractions has always been BT. For me it is to do with reading about the Crusades from history added into the 40k Universe. Pluse the Crusader LR is awesome!

Do you think they will publish an actual Black Templar codex or do you think it will be a mini-codex like the Sisters of Battle?

I hope it's a full codex. I'd rather my 2nd fav army not be an after thought.

pusharemark wrote:Do you think they will publish an actual Black Templar codex or do you think it will be a mini-codex like the Sisters of Battle?

If the rumors are to be believed we're getting new miniatures, which would necessitate a new codex as well.

Let's just pray it's not Matt Ward, or we'll have Black Templar librarians, BTs wielding daemon weapons, and wishing they were smurfs.

BaronIveagh wrote:Let's just pray it's not Matt Ward, or we'll have Black Templar librarians, BTs wielding daemon weapons, and wishing they were smurfs.

I think if that happened, I would go to warmachine... even if I can't seem to get minis from them.

BaronIveagh wrote:Let's just pray it's not Matt Ward, or we'll have Black Templar librarians, BTs wielding daemon weapons, and wishing they were smurfs.

Don't forget, they're 'crusades' would all be about trying to find their lost copy of the codex astartes...

...which trayzan stole and then made it look like it was imhotek...

...which is why helbretch is now hunting him down.

ghost21 wrote:Expect BT to be the Landraider spam army.

The only thing worse than Wards fluff? People who still think giving overblown examples of how he might ruin it in the future.....it might have been witty the first few hundered times now its just kind of sad...

Kroothawk wrote:

ghost21 wrote:Expect BT to be the Landraider spam army.

Don't Blood Angels already have this in spades? I'll be interested to see what they do about the Crusader, since the Templars' signature vehicle is now available to all Chapters, I am hoping that this "Rampage" stuff that has been mentioned regarding their Machine Spirit makes for a flavorful addition.

Kroothawk, any word on whether Crusader Squads will mimic Blood Claw units; that is, will Initiates be WS3 BS3 Space Marines? This is the only way I could see 11-point Marines being a reality, and even then, I couldn't see a Blood Claw-esque statline being a justifiable trainer of Neophytes. Perhaps we'll see more variegated troops options? Anything beyond a singular Troops Choice is fine by me, at this point.

On second thought, maybe they'll be like this:

5-15 Initiates (14pts): WS: 4, BS: 3, S: 4, T: 4, W: 1, I: 4, A: 1, Ld: 8, Sv: 3+
0-15 Neophyte (10pts): WS: 3, BS: 3, S: 4, T: 4, W: 1, I: 4, A: 1, Ld: 7, Sv: 4+

That would be interesting. Pure speculation, though.

Kroothawk wrote:

ghost21 wrote:Expect BT to be the Landraider spam army.

They already were, and could already take them as dedicated transports. It's like saying "Expect BT to be a power armored army" and is basically a non-rumor.

KarlPedder wrote:The only thing worse than Wards fluff? People who still think giving overblown examples of how he might ruin it in the future.....it might have been witty the first few hundered times now its just kind of sad...

I really wish more people thought like this; I was hoping that after this long people would tired of regurgitating the same joke might get tired of it but nope.

As long as the point costs are done up to match Codex SM costs I'll be happy. We pay less for certain things that can be helpful in tournament lists, but most of the time BT pays more for less.

I don't see why they wouldn't balance out the points. They've done that in every other codex, with a tiny bit of undercosting here and there.

Carbonbass wrote:As long as the point costs are done up to match Codex SM costs I'll be happy. We pay less for certain things that can be helpful in tournament lists, but most of the time BT pays more for less.

Actually, I'm cool with point costs differing from vanilla marines-it shows that BTs are different and don't follow the same rules/traditions of warfare that codex astartes marines do. Slightly more expensive rhinos? Sure, but offset by cheaper landraider crusaders and plasma pistols. Krak grenades aren't standard? Means they're too busy rushing forward in a sea of black bodies. I think differing costs is a good thing-but it needs to have a proper balance between the good and the bad offshoots. Plus, it'll mean it's not the same as taking a vanilla army, just with adding in the EC. It's like a whole new level of marines. Kind of like Space Wolves are. Their troops have different costs, but [mostly] same wargear costs. This would just be a different cost for wargear, and maybe marines too. It will make them unique. And uniqueness in a marine army is always a positive-so long as "unique" doesn't mean "crappy."

Brother SRM wrote:I don't see why they wouldn't balance out the points. They've done that in every other codex, with a tiny bit of undercosting here and there.

The point being unless BT suddenly don't get Bolt Pistols and CCWs as base there is really no way to screw them up.

I think my greatest fear is they'll make them too different, turn them into something that isn't a Space Marine army, like the rumors talking of a mild point reduction for worse BS or other stats. They are still Spess Muheens, with all the funky do-dads and training, they just like to rip and tear more than most Marines.

I'd take a -BS for a +WS, personally.

MasticatorDeelux wrote:I'd take a -BS for a +WS, personally.

Haha, someone suggested the opposite on the Tau thread.

Yeah, their stats aren't changing. A Space Marine is a Space Marine is a Space Marine. They won't become WS or BS3, because there's literally no reason for them to. Their organization favors close combat, but they wouldn't get worse training as a result. Neophytes staying WS/BS3 is fine and won't be changed.

Carbonbass wrote:As long as the point costs are done up to match Codex SM costs I'll be happy. We pay less for certain things that can be helpful in tournament lists, but most of the time BT pays more for less.

I'd actually prefer they do them to match Space Wolves, in that a basic marine has a Bolter, Bolt Pistol, and Close Combat weapon for 15 points. Like Space Wolves, Black Templars do not have "Sergeants" and they both have the same stats otherwise. I've always felt it to be kind of dumb that all Marines don't have those three things standard.

Daniel Of All wrote: Yeah but I'm a collector at heart so I'll just put it on a shelf a feel good about myself for owning it ........

to each his own

LonelyPath wrote:

Eldoriath wrote:I think ghost said that BT had been lying around ready for 8 months.

And longer it's been waiting for release for quite some time now. In fact, according to someone I know, it was ready before they left GW last year! He mentioned it to me that they'd be "soon" at the time since they were looking for a release slot and had forgotten my black marines with old colour scheme DA and not BT, lol.

I hope BT get a release soon though, it is long overdue.

Jared Van Kell:

Possible release date of March 3rd if the source holds true.

So potentially VC in January, ??? February, BT March?

March sounds like a good bet to me, just enough time to build a few more models with my spare bits before buying more stuff.

The Dark Saga wrote:March sounds like a good bet to me, just enough time to build a few more models with my spare bits before buying more stuff.

I really don't want to be the last 5th edition codex, then be stuck with it all the way through 6th and maybe into 7th. Ug.

Smegmalicious wrote:

The Dark Saga wrote:March sounds like a good bet to me, just enough time to build a few more models with my spare bits before buying more stuff.

I really don't want to be the last 5th edition codex, then be stuck with it all the way through 6th and maybe into 7th. Ug.

I wish people could understand that a codex written shortly before the edition change is written with that edition in mind. Orks, Dark Angels, Chaos Marines, and Daemons were written in 4th, but with 5th in mind. According to some sources, every codex since IG has been written for 6th, and 6th will help make armies like Tyranids better. Necrons are clearly written for 6th, as they include references to a rule or two (heavy vehicles) that aren't in 5th at all.

I wished Codex tyranids would have been written with 5th edition in mind

That's unfortunate, I was really hoping for DA. Was going to use my black reach marine for DA. O well. Isn't BT the guys that don't use librarians. Anything else their not allowed to use