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Steelmage99 wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:Dont feed the troll!
The guy is apparently a wrestler ffs

lol


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Piston Honda wrote:OK, get it out. It's fake, it gay because they are half naked.

Feel better about yourself?

good.

So does anyone like pro-wrestling or ever liked it? There was a time when people watched pro-wrestling and were not considered "losers". This was mainly the attitude era. Seems like most of those people have gone on to MMA/UFC stuff.

I've been watching pro wrestling since I was 3, I told my 1st grade teacher I wanted to be a wrestler. She laughed. But when all the other kids wanted to be an astronaut, or a doctor she does applaud them. Or how about that one weird kid who was going to have several occupations? A veterinarian ballet dancer. Or the Lawyer and pro-football player. Nothing wrong with that. But being a pro wrestler? Crazy.

Never understood why wrestling has had such a big stigma. It's either seen as gay, fake or promotes violence. I've always seen wrestling as one of the biggest contributors to American culture along with comic books, baseball, football.

Now my career path has changed (special education). But I still live part of my dream. I went to a wrestling school for about 2 years. I and I perform at indy shows from time to time. Last show I was at I went through a table and sliced my back on the metal leg and had 80-some stitches. There is nothing more satisfying than doing a stunt that gets the crowd to shout "Holy S#!t" or insult the fans and get them to boo and throw things at you and rip apart their stupid signs.

Look up the link above.

Say what?!?

Any comments to this, Piston?

What do you want me to say? I like pro-wrestling. I broke my first bone jumping off my parents couch doing Macho Man's flying elbow drop. Yes I'm in the minority, but I have watched just about my entire life. Wanted to be a pro-wrestler growing up. Then when I did grow up had to look at something... well more practical. Most people I met who tried to make it big spent 20 years in it. Some weeks they get paid. Others they didn't. Sometimes they even got paid in hamburgers and cans of beer.

I have wrestled in a few indy shows, you may have seen them advertised in your area wrestling in high school gyms, aircraft hangars, American legions. Usually get 70-150 people. 300 if you are really really really lucky and in the right area. It's nothing like you see on TV. no fireworks, no titan-tron. Of the 5 shows I did I only got paid for 3 and was not worth the time. Still love wrestling, but glad I did not get involved with it as a profession.

Pyriel- wrote:

Talking about the guy behind his back at the store or griping on the internet (while at the same time discounting the same suggestion given over and over) does nothing to help you and just makes you guys look like a group of catty junior high girls. Stand up for yourself consisently and the problem will solve itself.

You´re absolutelly right and normally I would agree but what else can be done then such things if clearly 10 guys are to big pussies to be able to tell one single troublemaker and his WT mom to put on a weight and go jump into a lake?


As said, if the situation is as pathetic as this not even silent treatements and pretendings to not know the game will be anything other then lame excuses not to face up to something that is basically laughable.
Those solutions belong to some drama queen suffering from a princess syndrome.

Help everobody and your self asteem out and just ask a beefy friend to tag along and put the asshat in place for you once and for all.
Takes one hour and problem solved or you can keep beating around the bush being silent or pretending not to know the rules for a couple more weeks untill that too fails.

...one of you 10 guys do have a beefy friend right? Right? How about just a normal mentally stable friend who doesnt take crap or are everybody and their friends in that gaming community suffering from an effete geenepool?


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Seems topic poster is a troll:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/415362.page

Apparently he is a semi pro wrestler in one thread and the worlds biggest pussy in this one.

How come a beefy wrestler cannot stand up to some whiny 19yo kid in a gaming store?
So which one is it, are you a wrestler or a pathetic whimp...or maybe both but I´m having a hard time getting that to compute.

Look at all his topics started. Stop feeding the trool everyone.

Pyriel- wrote:

Apparently he is a semi pro wrestler in one thread and the worlds biggest pussy in this one.

How come a beefy wrestler cannot stand up to some whiny 19yo kid in a gaming store?
So which one is it, are you a wrestler or a pathetic whimp...or maybe both but I´m having a hard time getting that to compute.

What do you want me to do?

Deck him and get arrested?

Sorry but you are coming off as a troll. I can stand up to him. I have told him off and that he has to play with respect.

Just because he yells, manipulates rules is not an excuse to act physically. Sorry but there are laws in place. What do you want me to do?


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boyd wrote:I skimmed through the arguments but I have to ask, is this kid all right upstairs? It sounds like he may have some mental issues. This may be the reason the store owner doesn't want to tell the kid to get lost and it may be the reason the mother is so adament that he gets a game in and goes with him to play with his toy soldiers. I've played table top games for over 15 years. I've only seen one person bring a parent along and that was because he had Aspergers (spelling?) and his dad picked up the game because of his son. When his son would lose his temper (and it did happen from time to time which is normal for someone with this issue) his dad would buy a soda for the guy playing him and would take his son outside to cool off. The kid was only talkative when a game was going on and outside of that would rarely speak but we all liked the kid (he was 15/16) and really had a knack for painting the soldiers.

Trust me - the store owner doesn't want Jenny McCarthy all over him for not being nice to people with Aspergers (spelling?).

Earlier (somewhere in this thread) I asked the store owner if the kid had some mental issues. The store owner said no.

I just have to accept that as true, it's none of my business to get involved.


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inquisitorlewis wrote:

Look at all his topics started. Stop feeding the trool everyone.

Because all my topics are trollish?

300? ROH only get around 500, Chikara are lucky to get 300 at most shows, you aint Chikara.

In before someone gets called a "jobroni."

Wow, that's an old shop. Sounds like a nice place.

Sounds tough. Maybe.... Wear ski masks, abduct the kid in the middle of the night and then beat him up with socks with rocks in them? Usually solves most problems.

Or you can give him some cement shoes as a late christmas present and let him play around in the river...

Honestly though. I have no opinion besides just not playing with him. Sorry if I'm missing something that wasn't in the first post. That's all I read.

I would make a video battle report so we can see the fun/problems/mum. Maybe it would force him to be semi respectable. If not you might have a Youtube smash vid "gamer brings his mammy to bully players"

Samus_aran115 wrote:Wow, that's an old shop. Sounds like a nice place.

Sounds tough. Maybe.... Wear ski masks, abduct the kid in the middle of the night and then beat him up with socks with rocks in them? Usually solves most problems.

Or you can give him some cement shoes as a late christmas present and let him play around in the river...

Honestly though. I have no opinion besides just not playing with him. Sorry if I'm missing something that wasn't in the first post. That's all I read.

I love the shop. It was built in 1908 Originally as a fire station.

It still has the fireman's pole (that's what it is called right?) ans some cast iron plates around the place.

The original owner bought it and sold board games out of it and comics, math professor by day awesome geek at night. Then it was "THE" place to play Dungeons and Dragons way back when before born.

Original owner sold the store lat year, retired and now lives in South Carolina to be closer to his daughter and grand children. Wish he never sold it. But family comes first.

Seriously, just tell him you have your games already set up for the day, and do not play him.

if he touches your stuff, that is unacceptable, and alert him that his behavior will not be tolerated.

If he will not, bring it up to the owner.

If he manipulates the terrain on the table, ask him to leave the terrain alone.

If he will not, bring it up to the owner.

If he does nothing, leave and find somewhere else to play.

Piston Honda wrote:

boyd wrote:I skimmed through the arguments but I have to ask, is this kid all right upstairs? It sounds like he may have some mental issues. This may be the reason the store owner doesn't want to tell the kid to get lost and it may be the reason the mother is so adament that he gets a game in and goes with him to play with his toy soldiers. I've played table top games for over 15 years. I've only seen one person bring a parent along and that was because he had Aspergers (spelling?) and his dad picked up the game because of his son. When his son would lose his temper (and it did happen from time to time which is normal for someone with this issue) his dad would buy a soda for the guy playing him and would take his son outside to cool off. The kid was only talkative when a game was going on and outside of that would rarely speak but we all liked the kid (he was 15/16) and really had a knack for painting the soldiers.

Trust me - the store owner doesn't want Jenny McCarthy all over him for not being nice to people with Aspergers (spelling?).

Earlier (somewhere in this thread) I asked the store owner if the kid had some mental issues. The store owner said no.

I just have to accept that as true, it's none of my business to get involved.

Try asking the mother. It isn't the store owners place to tell you that kind of thing. Reading the thread, and having helped out with some kids on the Autism spectrum in high school, it does sound like he may have Aspergers.

Ok, something is seriously wrong in this thread...

How old are all of you?

If someone that isn't a personal friend, touches anything on my table without asking first, they will get to hear me tell them to stop it in a not to polite way the first time they do it, the second time will see them get a ruler to the hand that tries it.
If someone threw a dice during a game I would pack up and end the game right there.
If someone threw one of my models to the floor on purpose, he would get punched, no questions asked, no silent treatment or whatever other passive-agressive "solutions" you guys recomend. You damage someone elses property on purpose, you get a fist to the face (and no, this isn't bravado, I already did this to a guy who kept picking up my stuff without permission, I didn't punch him that time, but I pushed him up hard against a wall and held him there until he realised that it wasn't ok to do that)...

At least over here, the cops wouldn't even bat an eye at something like that and if the kid really is mentally challenged then the mother would have the pleasure of paying for the damage done to your models (after the mandatory 10+ years for the case to navigate our PoS court system).

Even if in your civilised countries this isn't an option, you can still physically restrain him when he starts throwing around your stuff, can't you? If the store owner then doesn't expell the guy from the store, YOU can threaten to call the police and sue for the damages that he is causing to your property.

But in all of this, I'm mind boggled that 12 adults are being bullied around like this...

Hey, I was reading some of the reasons you don't just ignore him, and I have a question...


Can you just bypass him completely and change your schedule somewhat, and have your outing to the game-shop a different day?



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Oh, btw... we had a similar case (as in, someone we didn't want to play with...) at our shop with this one fellow.... we all resolved to say this: "Oh, I had a game schedule with [insert friend's name], he should be along shortly" This preserved feelings, etc... not that I cared about his feelings, but we wanted to keep the shop somewhat civil. Eventually he got the hint.

I agree that the only way to deal with it is to refuse to play him, but i do feel for you, these kinds of situations are very awkward. Dont be afraid to pack up and walk out of the store if he starts anything.

Id be very disappointed by the shop owner in your position, sounds like he doesn't really give a s***. If he tipped a board games up all over the floor he should have been asked to leave the store.

You need video of all of this happening, else it didn't happen. A youtube exposé!

Where is this store?

daedalus wrote:You need video of all of this happening, else it didn't happen. A youtube exposé!

QFT, If a group of men get pushed around by a 19yr old and his mom..... well, the kid isnt the most serious problem.

daedalus wrote:You need video of all of this happening, else it didn't happen. A youtube exposé!

QTF, think of all the awesome YouTube views!

DeathReaper wrote:Seriously, just tell him you have your games already set up for the day, and do not play him.

if he touches your stuff, that is unacceptable, and alert him that his behavior will not be tolerated.

If he will not, bring it up to the owner.

If he manipulates the terrain on the table, ask him to leave the terrain alone.

If he will not, bring it up to the owner.

If he does nothing, leave and find somewhere else to play.

This is the best solution to your problem.

You claim to have refused to play him, but then said that one of you eventually gives in. Saying "no" to the kid for a little while before giving in only encourages him to keep at it until you give up.

If the owner has no issue with the kid repeatedly touching or moving models that he shouldn't be, and doesn't see anything wrong with the kid throwing models, why is it that you want to play there?

To the OP:
So what happened as a result of everything?
DId any of this help the real life situation?

Castiel wrote:Try asking the mother. It isn't the store owners place to tell you that kind of thing. Reading the thread, and having helped out with some kids on the Autism spectrum in high school, it does sound like he may have Aspergers.

Er, no it doesn't.

I have what used to be called Asperger's but they are mostly calling it "autistic spectrum disorder" now.
I am not a D-bag.

This guy just sounds like a badly behaved, entitled, brat.


I do have an idea of what the OP could do, not passive-aggressive, not violent but definitely very funny,

Play him and loose - massively.
I think if you tried your hardest you could throw a 2000 point game in 20 minutes.
Do it in the funniest way possible, do a battle report of it, I'd read it.

Build a list full of the least useful units in your codex.

Your turn 1 -
Movement phase - move all your guys out of cover and closer to the enemy.
Shooting phase - don't shoot.
Assault phase - charge your stuff towards (but not into combat with) his guys.

His turn 1 -
Moves
Shoots - don't bother taking armour saves, nothing says you have to.
Assaults - don't bother again.

Well done fella, you win. I'll play someone else next.

rob-or-ross wrote:

Castiel wrote:Try asking the mother. It isn't the store owners place to tell you that kind of thing. Reading the thread, and having helped out with some kids on the Autism spectrum in high school, it does sound like he may have Aspergers.

Er, no it doesn't.

I have what used to be called Asperger's but they are mostly calling it "autistic spectrum disorder" now.
I am not a D-bag.

This guy just sounds like a badly behaved, entitled, brat.

I never said all people with it were, that is not what I meant at all.

I'm not that familiar with the different parts of the Autism spectrum, so I may have it wrong with Aspergers, but it does sound like some of the things that one of the kids I helped with did. He was constantly seeking attention, and would cheat at games and need time to cool off when things didn't go his way.

This sound familiar to this guys behaviour, and the fact that he has his mother with him at 19 years of age further suggests that he may have some kind of autism or something else.

Kaldor wrote:Your letter sucks. Don't send it, it will have the opposite to the desired effect.

Look, this guy comes down to the store and makes things uncomfortable, right? He argues about dice rolls and gets his mum to come down and help him out.

Well, just stop letting him.

You're a grown man. If he wants a dice to be re-rolled simply say "No, I won't do that, the dice is flat and the result is fair" and then deal with the fallout. He might throw a tantrum and start screaming and yelling, holding his breath and stamping his feet, but so what?

Be firm.

All of this! Could not have said it better myself!

Okay..... Piston Honda.... Everyone agrees that you and your whole group need to agree not to talk to this guy, not to play a game with this guy, just ignore him.

So, do that for 2 weeks and let us know how it went. It's going to be tough, he's going to make a complete a$$ of himself, but keep quiet. He's going to get more upset, but don't let it upset you. Understand that you are winning, and the more upset he gets in the store, the more you win. Don't say a word! Not even that last parting shot that you are going to want to take.

I say it again, if you keep quiet, you WIN! Explain it to your group, whoever talks to him first loses! End of story.

If you say anything to him, you will yank defeat out of the jaws of victory, so don't do it.

If you do anything other than ignoring him for 2 weeks, there is absolutely nothing that can be done to help you, so all of us here will just ignore this thread. (Guys, we have to help this guy! Understand? If any of us breaks down and starts responding to his posts, he won't learn anything).

The reason that you can't break down and talk to him, (and god forbid play a game with him!) is every interaction he has with you, he is learning something. If he comes into the store and you don't talk to him, he asks for a game and you ignore him, he starts throwing a fit and screaming, and you don't react at all, then he will learn that doesn't work. Because of all the crap you've put up with already, the first few times are going to be rough because he has learned that you will respond. It's going to take a few times for him to un-learn that. That means if anyone folds on you, it will reinforce his behavior. He will learn that throwing dice, models, terrain, his own feces, whatever, actually works and that is what he will continue to do.

Don't fall for it.

So, Piston Honda, let us know you are going to do this and then don't even read the posts here for 2 weeks, or until the guy starts leaving you alone, whichever is shorter.

Everyone else, talk amongst yourselves, but Piston Honda is going to be absent for 2 weeks to try out our idea. Be strong for him!

Piston Honda wrote:But her little precious spoiled knows everything thanks to Sesame Street education is always right.

Really? Really?? You had to bring Sesame Street into this mess.

The word on the street is "enabler".

Good Luck

What do you want me to do?

What you need to do?
Seriously man? Need I spell it out for you or are you able to actually read your own thread and the advice contained within it?

Let me ask you something, what would you do if the guy when lpaying against you, got a mental breakdown and grabbed a fistfull of YOUR models and threw them as hard as he could on the floor?
Would you still keep doing your passive pretending games or would you appologize to him or just walk away or what?

Castiel wrote:

rob-or-ross wrote:

Castiel wrote:Try asking the mother. It isn't the store owners place to tell you that kind of thing. Reading the thread, and having helped out with some kids on the Autism spectrum in high school, it does sound like he may have Aspergers.

Er, no it doesn't.

I have what used to be called Asperger's but they are mostly calling it "autistic spectrum disorder" now.
I am not a D-bag.

This guy just sounds like a badly behaved, entitled, brat.

I never said all people with it were, that is not what I meant at all.

I'm not that familiar with the different parts of the Autism spectrum, so I may have it wrong with Aspergers, but it does sound like some of the things that one of the kids I helped with did. He was constantly seeking attention, and would cheat at games and need time to cool off when things didn't go his way.

This sound familiar to this guys behaviour, and the fact that he has his mother with him at 19 years of age further suggests that he may have some kind of autism or something else.

I agree as the fact that a family member needs to go with him to the shop tells me that he must have something on the autism spectrum. If he was a brat, more than likely, his parents would have dropped him off to get away from them. The fact they stayed with him at the shop is more indicative that there is something else going on.

Another thing, its called a spectrum - there will be people with the same disorder who will not have the same characteristics to the same degree. You can only go with what you've experienced. We had a kid with Aspergers in our group and that was how he acted from time to time. He would almost get to the point he would grab the other players mini in anger. His dad was always there to diffuse the situation before it got too bad. If it was a small temper tantrum, he would go outside for about 5-10 minutes. If it was really bad, his dad would take him home. The kid was about 15-16. Without parental supervision, the kid would have gotten into a fight or broken stuff in the shop. He was a nice kid and eventually over 2 years or so I think that he got better and was able to interact with everyone as it took him a while to get familiar with the entire group. But that is what sucks about the disorder. The people who have it are usually highly intelligent but they have a few quirks that make them odd. Usually they don't like contact with others and get upset when something doesn't go their way. I know two people with the disorder from college and I can attest that they were both smarter than me but they lacked any sort of people skills. One has a Doctorate in Electrical Engineering from the Florida Institute of Technology and the other has a Masters Degree in Taxation. They were both highly technical people but lacked the ability to effectively communicate their ideas.

Ignoring him, and saying "no", seems to be the best answer.

I would also even go to the extent and say that you don't bother setting up anything, keep it tucked away, before he shows up. So when he does and he gets "bratty" about your group saying no, he won't have your stuff to toss. If he grabs the nearest thing, it might be store property.

Just stand up to them and say "no". Don't cave, don't reason, just refuse.

To the two guys who quoted me regarding autism and d-baggery I apologise.
I was not trying to offend but there is a point to be ade.


Asperger's is a perceptual disorder.
Due to the nature of it and the fact that nobody is a perfect parent there is a correlation between having it and being a nob.
There is not, however, a causation.

Having Asperger's does not make you like that.
It can make your parents treat you differently in development which can lead to the behavioural problems you describe.

The man is still responsible for his behaviour and the fact that he brings his mother along with him is either:

A, more likely to be psychological (probably caused by her) than physiological or neurological.

or

B, because the new shop owner is tapping her (which might explain the preferential treatment too).

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http://xkcd.com/552/

rob-or-ross wrote:To the two guys who quoted me regarding autism and d-baggery I apologise.
I was not trying to offend but there is a point to be ade.


Asperger's is a perceptual disorder.
Due to the nature of it and the fact that nobody is a perfect parent there is a correlation between having it and being a nob.
There is not, however, a causation.

Having Asperger's does not make you like that.
It can make your parents treat you differently in development which can lead to the behavioural problems you describe.

The man is still responsible for his behaviour and the fact that he brings his mother along with him is either:

A, more likely to be psychological (probably caused by her) than physiological or neurological.

or

B, because the new shop owner is tapping her (which might explain the preferential treatment too).

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Added this:

http://xkcd.com/552/

Lulz thank you. Having a disorder is not an excuse to inflict it on others. If he has a disorder, he should state it. He should also explain he might react in an odd manner, so what to expect, and also how he will mitigate his own negative actions/behavior. If he is incapable of this, and incapable of interacting in a social setting, then he should not be put in such a setting.

So the utter lack of discussion of a disorder or disability makes it likely this kid is just a spoiled brat. rob-or-ross has a more likely explanation in his points A and B above. Assuming a d-bag is on the autism spectrum simply due to d-baggery is a disservice to those who actually are. People are more than willing to aid and forgive when not taken advantage of. Assuming the trappings of a mental disorder to get away with being a d-bag is absolutely, 100%, Barnum T Bailey level, taking advantage of the kindness of people.

rob-or-ross wrote:
B, because the new shop owner is tapping her (which might explain the preferential treatment too).

I remember the OP describing her as a smelly 500lb gorilla