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DeadlySquirrel wrote:Hahaha

Think of me as you will, but I will stand by my convictions.

We knew this guy who bought into this whole "homeopathic" medicine deal, turns out he now has a degenerative disease thanks to the "treatments" he was receiving. He's standing by his convictions, but he doesn't remember where he left them.

That is poor research on his behalf then.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:That is poor research on his behalf then.

It was the same kind of quackery you support, fungus causing illness or metal ions being able to prevent artherosclerosis. Its all pseudoscience and for you to say that he had poor research is indicative of your own attitudes of "they're wrong but I'm right" even though your beliefs are clearly and scientifically proven to be incorrect. I implore you to bleed yourself to remove the acidic humors from your blood, its medical benefits are equal to that of using sodium bicarbonate to cure cancer.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:That is poor research on his behalf then.

Here is the deal, you can go on websites and troll about silly things. Troll all you want. Troll away. (I pray you are trolling, I really do)

But do not go on a website and tell people you can cure cancer with baking soda. There are desperate people out there that will try this hoping to save their lives or a family members life, then they will end up killing themselves with such a stupid treatment.

Holistic Hoodoo.

Piston Honda wrote:DeadlySquirrel, are you a poe?

I can't tell.

we call them trolls

Again, I pray that he doesn't really believe this stuff about arm and hammer curing cancer. If he's trolling I would think him to be a better person than one who actually believes it.

halonachos wrote:Again, I pray that he doesn't really believe this stuff about arm and hammer curing cancer. If he's trolling I would think him to be a better person than one who actually believes it.

you could say an arm and a hammer would cure cancer, and end the life of said cancerous person


but you can't feed the trolls, they react like gremlins, cept you can NEVER feed them

The amount of Biology Fail in this topic is quite staggering to say the least. Alkaline to Acidic Blood? (What? Nobody heard about Buffers?) Fungi infected by Viruses causing Cancer? (An inventive lie I will admit) This is like that Homoeopathic stuff (aka a fake con to make money).

What causes Cancer is mutation in DNA. The things that can cause said mutation are varied. The tumours are your own cells (If I remember right, sometimes you can find hair and teeth inside tumours). Thats about it. FOXP3 and other FOX proteins are implemented in Cancer protection (FOXP3 is a tumour suppressor).

Thats about all I know, I don't do much Immunology (Parasitology is my speciality.)

DeadlySquirrel wrote:Chemo kills you.Radio therapy kills you.The cancer doesn't "come back" after the therapy ... The treatment gives you a new cancer.

My dad had 3 melanomas on his arm, they cut out one but it came back. So my dad decided to cure it. And he did, he is now in perfect shape.

Bicarbonate of soda applied daily to the effected areas, was gone in a week.

Cancer is caused by a certain fungus, bicarb kills all known fungi. And it killed cancer. Drug companies won't treat cancer because the drugs they already produce make them billions. It's terrible, but it's good business.

My 2 cents.

By any chance is cancer and global warming a Zionist conspiracy?

EDIT: OK I just had to read the whole thread, it was hilarious and now I'm late for work.

If modern medicine has all the answers, why do so many die? Pancreatic cancer has an 80% fatality rate in the first year from diagnosis. When the doctors tell you there is nothing more that they can do then do you just accept death, or do you look for an alternative cure?

That person who know has a degenerative disease has one because he didn't look into what he was taking and just accepted it. There is a lot of bogus alternative medicines out there, yes, but not all of them.

Russia can cure MRSA and other anti-biotic resistant diseases, but we refuse to lok into how they do it purely because it isn't Western medicine and is therefore wrong.

Most enjoyable read in the OT forum for quite some time

DeadlySquirrel wrote:If modern medicine has all the answers, why do so many die? Pancreatic cancer has an 80% fatality rate in the first year from diagnosis. When the doctors tell you there is nothing more that they can do then do you just accept death, or do you look for an alternative cure?

That person who know has a degenerative disease has one because he didn't look into what he was taking and just accepted it. There is a lot of bogus alternative medicines out there, yes, but not all of them.

Russia can cure MRSA and other anti-biotic resistant diseases, but we refuse to lok into how they do it purely because it isn't Western medicine and is therefore wrong.

Yes. You accept it. Because if nothing is done, then there is no cure. There are points in a disease where treatment is unlikely to work. Cancer is a great example of this. If it manages to spread, most likely the person is going to die, even if a 'cure' is applied. Its the way it works.

You need empirical, peer-reviewed evidence before you can make such a bold claim. Thats why Russia is untrustworthy. If you can't repeat the medical treatment's success...then how is it a cure?

You should be very wary of what you read. Anything that isn't shown in a medical journal is most likely wrong.

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DeadlySquirrel wrote:If modern medicine has all the answers, why do so many die? Pancreatic cancer has an 80% fatality rate in the first year from diagnosis. When the doctors tell you there is nothing more that they can do then do you just accept death, or do you look for an alternative cure?

That person who know has a degenerative disease has one because he didn't look into what he was taking and just accepted it. There is a lot of bogus alternative medicines out there, yes, but not all of them.

Russia can cure MRSA and other anti-biotic resistant diseases, but we refuse to lok into how they do it purely because it isn't Western medicine and is therefore wrong.

Yes. You accept it. Because if nothing is done, then there is no cure. There are points in a disease where treatment is unlikely to work. Cancer is a great example of this. If it manages to spread, most likely the person is going to die, even if a 'cure' is applied. Its the way it works.

You need empirical, peer-reviewed evidence before you can make such a bold claim. Thats why Russia is untrustworthy. If you can't repeat the medical treatment's success...then how is it a cure?

You should be very wary of what you read. Anything that isn't shown in a medical journal is most likely wrong.

So you would rather give up and die rather than take a chance and try something that Western Science doesn't believe in.

Russian medicine has been proven to work time and time again. They use phage. But because you cannot copyright a bacteria's natural predator and make billions off it, the drug companies will not endorse it. It is that simple.

Squirrel, I have studied the biology of tumours. I have also worked in scientific research, and have many friends working in medical research. Your ideas are provably wrong. Go and get a biology book and have a look at some of the information in there. Then use the information to help you conduct some simple experiments. You may need to do some research into experimental design to ensure your experiments are fair.

It is mildly offensive to be accused of being part of a massive profit driven organisation which wants to milk sick people for their money. The principles of biology which allow me to understand my friend's AIDS research papers and my other friends diabetes research papers are the same that allowed me to understand veterinary parasitology papers when I was researching. I have never been indoctrinated into any giant conspiracy, and if I had, I expect the bribes would have left me substantially better off than I currently am. The biology researchers I know all make less than a manager in a small retail firm. None of them have yachts or take fancy holidays with their hush money. It may be that you have gotten yourself into a confused and self confirming world view. I hope you can break out of it.

But until you do, people are going to continue to dispute "Opinions" of yours which are demonstrably false.

Also, your point about "if medicine has all the answers, why do people die?" is a strawman, and a bad one. The principles of western medicine have allowed the greatest explosion in human population this planet has ever seen.

Edit: "It is that simple"? Sorry, this is wrong. Go read some papers about use of phages in medicine and the challenges of delivering such things safely.
Penicillin can't self replicate, for a start.

Russian medicine has been proven to work time and time again. They use phage. But because you cannot copyright a bacteria's natural predator and make billions off it, the drug companies will not endorse it. It is that simple.

The same Phage treatment that is having difficulty in its current experimental stage? I've heard of better solutions that are being proposed. One mentions the use of genetically-modified Salmonella, injected into the body. It would have its whole metabolic system altered to target tumours and it would thus seek them out and eradicate them all off.

Of course, its far far off as theres several problems:

1) How do you target it to the tumour without it recognising other Self cells?
2) How do you minimise damage to the host?
3) How do you minimise escalation of the immune system of the host without making the salmonella into an opportunistic pathogen?
4) How do you get rid of it after its done its job?

Now, the Phage treatment idea has merits and it is already being looked into in labs in the West. The truth of the matter however is its not anywhere near ready. Which is pretty much the same for most idealistic cancer treatments.

If Russian medicine works 'time and time again' they can publish their medicine in peer-reviewed journals and prove that it does.

So you would rather give up and die rather than take a chance and try something that Western Science doesn't believe in.

The only time I would remotely even consider such a thing, is if I'm a step away (literally) from death...and at that point pretty much all treatments wouldnt work. I don't believe in Quack Science.

We don't let them publish the results in any Western journal, because it isn't Western science... If you want to, go read a Russian peer-reviewed journal.

All I can say DeadlySquirrel, is I do feel sorry for you and your father. Your father should go to the doctors again, in case his cancer has progressed to underskin, which is deadly.

Cancer is caused, by rapid cell mutation for whatever reason. Sodium Bicarbonate simply removes the surface objects on the skin. with scrubbing, and has commonly been used to remove surface objects off the skin and floors etc. However, Cancerous tissue is a fault with the actual cells themselves, so the site of the cancer will need to be treated, rather than the cancerous tissue itself.

EDIT:
Phage treatement was actually being looked at since the 80's. still hasn't progressed off the drawing board even close to mouse trials.

Doctadeth wrote:All I can say DeadlySquirrel, is I do feel sorry for you and your father. Your father should go to the doctors again, in case his cancer has progressed to underskin, which is deadly.

Cancer is caused, by rapid cell mutation for whatever reason. Sodium Bicarbonate simply removes the surface objects on the skin. with scrubbing, and has commonly been used to remove surface objects off the skin and floors etc. However, Cancerous tissue is a fault with the actual cells themselves, so the site of the cancer will need to be treated, rather than the cancerous tissue itself.

EDIT:
Phage treatement was actually being looked at since the 80's. still hasn't progressed off the drawing board even close to mouse trials.

He cured himself about 2 years ago... Hasn't come back. He is perfectly healthy now

And like I said, the drug companies will not fund the research for phage treatment because it isn't worth as much money as current drug treatments.

Cancers can go into remission and reemerge years later. I know personally of at least 2 people who have had that happen.

Well, let me put it another way, how much would an effective phage treatment cost to get off the drawing board? billions.

Current treatment types and treatments on the drawing board have actually been seen to be effective more or less. Individually, treatments may not be *so* effective, but in terms of total world population, and total number of cures vs deaths, its actually relatively good.

Baking soda is great stuff for a lot of things, cancer is not one of those things.


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DeadlySquirrel wrote:
And like I said, the drug companies will not fund the research for phage treatment because it isn't worth as much money as current drug treatments.

Then why hasn't a university done it? Are they bought too?

This entire thread has pretty much been an object lesson in successful trolling...

Rented Tritium wrote:Baking soda is great stuff for a lot of things, cancer is not one of those things.


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DeadlySquirrel wrote:
And like I said, the drug companies will not fund the research for phage treatment because it isn't worth as much money as current drug treatments.

Then why hasn't a university done it? Are they bought too?

Seriously? A university that manages to scrape up the funds to do billions of dollars worth of testing on animals and eventually human trials will not be allowed to publish the results anyway.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:... If you want to, go read a Russian peer-reviewed journal.

Just like DeadlySquurrel hasn't done.

Much like he clearly hasn't actually read or studied any actual science either.

Still, with a bit of luck when the Atlanteans return later this year from Zeta Reticuli they'll lead us to an age of enlightenment. Where we shall all bestride the world like a legion of Dr. Manhattans.

An army of powerful, and naked, blue wang as far as the eye can see. Can't wait.

In other news : don't troll