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Most folks who play Warmachine/Hordes know that the sweetspot is 35-50pts.

If PP was really pushing for larger games they would have put the UNBOUND rules (rules for playing 100+ pts) on a separate book instead of putting it in NQ.

PP knows however that not a lot of people like going over 75 points and a ruleset for 100+ pts wouldnt have gone over well.

The colossals will be designed like everything else in warmachine im sure. Essential for some (jack casters), negligible for others and outright useless to a few.

While they look cool, didnt they just come up with battle engines a short while ago?

And it seems to break the warmahine hordes fluff alot- Khador's behamoth was the biggest they built, but it was too expensive for mass production....yet they are building Colossals? Really? Same with something like the Thunderhead.

Further, didnt troll fluff state Mulg was one of the biggest trolls there was? So where are they getting bigger ones?

Bakerofish wrote:If PP was really pushing for larger games they would have put the UNBOUND rules (rules for playing 100+ pts) on a separate book instead of putting it in NQ.

One of the bits of information coming out of TempleCon is that the Unbound rules will be within Warmachine: Colossals.

@dysartes

heard that too but that doesnt really change what I said. They could have sold Unbound as its own book (which is easy enough to do) with Unbound-only units if they were so inclined. The Colossals book will be coming with new stuff and the Unbound rules will be added to it...kinda like the campaign stuff in Escalation.

As I said in an earlier thread that iPad app looks like a god send. What a terrific looking (and practical) program.

Re: New Colossals--the Khador one looks pretty ace. I play Cygnar heavily and I just can't get behind their new Colossal. The mine launchers/guns just look tacked on--and it's got a strange vibe about it (Like you can't find a center point).

I just want to know, based on the Troll teaser, how many of you are going to use the Trollblood's colossal beast as Mulg? I mean he is supposed to be the size of a small mountain right?

Some people already convert the extreme dire troll mauler sculpt into a mulg.

A lot of speculation on the trollbloods forums is that this isn't just a giant troll, but a troll carrying/pulling something... that'd be nice. I do agree that it could be hard to justify a giant troll, but I'm pretty much open to anything as long as it's an awesome model

Re: Unbound, I think it's cool to have rules to use the myriad of models that I have although I don't know if I'll ever play it, it's nice that it's there! You'd think the base rules would need to be streamlined quite a bit to allow for such a large game, but from the NQ stuff that I read on it, that didn't really seem to be the case.

Bakerofish wrote:@dysartes

heard that too but that doesnt really change what I said. They could have sold Unbound as its own book (which is easy enough to do) with Unbound-only units if they were so inclined. The Colossals book will be coming with new stuff and the Unbound rules will be added to it...kinda like the campaign stuff in Escalation.

Consider the NQ release in the same light as the initial NQ release of Grind - a pseudo-open beta, so they can get wider feedback before finalising the rules into WM:Colossals.

Equally, the NQ release allows people to get a feel for the game size and basic mechanics, before the rulebook has the final "official" version in it.

It does make sense to put them together- as 20-point monstrosities aren't going to usually be viable at 35 points (or at least, I hope not, and don't expect them to be).

The Ipad app video shows numerous screens that have "Army Builder" on the top using the reference to a program function in general instead of as a reference to the named program. I suspect Wolf Lair will throw another fit and send another round of amateurish cease and desist letters that they'll later claim weren't that.

I am genuinely surprised at my excitement for these new Colossals. I turned away from WM after MK II came out but I am considering buying the book just to see how this new unit type plays on the game table.

Feels weird to have a budding interest in WM again. Well played, PP.

Bakerofish wrote:@dysartes

heard that too but that doesnt really change what I said. They could have sold Unbound as its own book (which is easy enough to do) with Unbound-only units if they were so inclined. The Colossals book will be coming with new stuff and the Unbound rules will be added to it...kinda like the campaign stuff in Escalation.

Actually, I'd argue that it's pushing it harder. If it were in its own book, people would probably be more inclined not to buy it, than "the new book comes with the requisite new models...And an new scenario set," which would have people more likely to see the rules.

And to think, PP keeps putting out more models and our group is currently having a blast with the units in PRIME.

Love the Khador one, but the merc looks to be my favorite.

RiTides wrote:Some people already convert the extreme dire troll mauler sculpt into a mulg.

A lot of speculation on the trollbloods forums is that this isn't just a giant troll, but a troll carrying/pulling something... that'd be nice. I do agree that it could be hard to justify a giant troll, but I'm pretty much open to anything as long as it's an awesome model :

I personally like the other theory being tossed around that it's a female Dire Troll.

Do. Not. Mess. With. Mamma. Bear.

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Actually, I'd argue that it's pushing it harder. If it were in its own book, people would probably be more inclined not to buy it, than "the new book comes with the requisite new models...And an new scenario set," which would have people more likely to see the rules.

if it were its own book people would say that PP's dedicating a WHOLE new book to larger battles so they MUST be pushing it.
*shrugs*

but if they push larger battles...so what? It's an option. You don't need to play that pointage anyway. With what we know so far, the only point level that you can't play the colossals on are the 15pt games (battlebox) so i really dont understand why this is a concern.

Bakerofish wrote:

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Actually, I'd argue that it's pushing it harder. If it were in its own book, people would probably be more inclined not to buy it, than "the new book comes with the requisite new models...And an new scenario set," which would have people more likely to see the rules.

if it were its own book people would say that PP's dedicating a WHOLE new book to larger battles so they MUST be pushing it.
*shrugs*

but if they push larger battles...so what? It's an option. You don't need to play that pointage anyway. With what we know so far, the only point level that you can't play the colossals on are the 15pt games (battlebox) so i really dont understand why this is a concern.

Not even sure of that. If they ARE 18-20 points, then you can play them at 15 points easily. Just not with anything but your Caster on the table.

would you want to though? youd be playing with...2 models

maybe would be okay if you're playing butcher

eCaine would be another possibility.

pGoreshade could be entertaining, what with the free unit.

Or Kraye. See how many guns the Stormwall has?

Laughing Man wrote:Or Kraye. See how many guns the Stormwall has?

That's assuming the Colossals count as Warjacks for spell purposes etc. In the vid when you see the Galleon's card it lists it as a "Mercenary Colossal". Now, either this is simply another naming convention a'la Myrmidons, Bonejacks and Helljacks or Colossals do not count as "Warjacks" despite being part of the Battlegroup, which stops a fair few shenanigans.

I' so excited anout these news This is so much better than GW rumour crap XD Can wait to put my hand on the Khador colossal!

Grimtuff wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:Or Kraye. See how many guns the Stormwall has?

That's assuming the Colossals count as Warjacks for spell purposes etc. In the vid when you see the Galleon's card it lists it as a "Mercenary Colossal". Now, either this is simply another naming convention a'la Myrmidons, Bonejacks and Helljacks or Colossals do not count as "Warjacks" despite being part of the Battlegroup, which stops a fair few shenanigans.

I'm currently wondering if the card has had more than the obvious removed - i.e., we don't see stats or points cost, and bar a couple of frames we don't get any idea of the weapons either. It is quite possible that "Warjack" has been removed from the type descriptor. Equally, Privateer may have been removed, given the look of the thing.

Alternatively, as you say, the rules for the Colossal unit type may indicate that this is a type of warjack.

Kraye is an interesting one - if the rules for Colossals do indicate they're a type of heavy warjack, then the Stormwall is going to be freaking nuts with him - heavy cavalry movement & Guided Fire, anyone?

Man I'm just praying for a realease date These models must be kinda extreme on the board, knowing the philosophy of Warmahordes. I wonder how many heavies it take to face-off againts one colossal?

Grimtuff wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:Or Kraye. See how many guns the Stormwall has?

That's assuming the Colossals count as Warjacks for spell purposes etc. In the vid when you see the Galleon's card it lists it as a "Mercenary Colossal". Now, either this is simply another naming convention a'la Myrmidons, Bonejacks and Helljacks or Colossals do not count as "Warjacks" despite being part of the Battlegroup, which stops a fair few shenanigans.

That's why I like my Hunter's naming convention. Bases keep getting bigger--his gun stays the same age.



I mean, it has the same benefit!

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:Or Kraye. See how many guns the Stormwall has?

That's assuming the Colossals count as Warjacks for spell purposes etc. In the vid when you see the Galleon's card it lists it as a "Mercenary Colossal". Now, either this is simply another naming convention a'la Myrmidons, Bonejacks and Helljacks or Colossals do not count as "Warjacks" despite being part of the Battlegroup, which stops a fair few shenanigans.

That's why I like my Hunter's naming convention. Bases keep getting bigger--his gun stays the same age.



I mean, it has the same benefit!

Indeed. My Big B will have no such inferiority issues when he scraps these in one turn.

Bakerofish wrote:but if they push larger battles...so what? It's an option. You don't need to play that pointage anyway.

You do if that's all anyone else wants to play.

I just love that menoth missile boat + fire! I love how they made it look kinda like a cathedral with the towering points, but these steeples fire missiles. Hopefully it will help menoth with some of its more long range support.

I love the look of them all and I really hope the kraken can be poised in different ways. I've got a couple of ideas for that model.

Part of the battlegroup yet not a warjack, I can see that working quite well. Even if they are a warjack it's going be difficult moving them around and such. And those thinking about Karchev, doesn't Tow specify completely within back arc? I don't think that's going to be possible.

So. They're like dreadknight sized? Neat.

ShumaGorath wrote:$150 dollar 10 pound resin blocks incoming.

I love these things. I don't even like warjacks and I love these things. They're so much better proportioned then the warjacks, it's like they finally figured out that tiny legs are stupid.

Look at their waist and try to come back with the tiny legs stupidity comment...

But yeah, now that they figured the right size for legs, how they try to get the right siz for waist that could actually support this ridiculous mass!

Anyway, love it!, can't wait to see the Cryx one!

Its just a shame that in my club no one plays Warmachines and that i am the only one to have bought models..., ended up using my Helljack as a WE Dread...

Samus_aran115 wrote:So. They're like dreadknight sized? Neat.

I do think they tower the Dreadknights by a fair amount...