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malfred wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Why do I get the feeling battle engines was the beta test before they figured on launching these?

How so?

Battle Engines aren't warjacks and aren't part of battlegroups.

Base and model size, perhaps?

I mean, we had 30mm bases, then 40mm, 50mm, makes sense, and then 120mm Ooooh yeeeah sized bases, which can change a lot in a game where LoS is determined by a model's base size.

I just can't believe the utter naviety of advertising and previewing upcoming models that this upstart company is doing. What do they think they'll accomplish with that? They'll never have the love-hate relationship that you need to be the biggest company in the industry if they let you know what they're coming out with more than 30 days prior to release. This is madness!! Don't they know the best way to retain customer loyalist is by revealing nothing about the future other than the regularly scheduled price "adjustment"!?!

malfred wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Why do I get the feeling battle engines was the beta test before they figured on launching these?

How so?

Battle Engines aren't warjacks and aren't part of battlegroups.

This. Apollyon was the beta test for Colossals.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I'm not happy to see PP produce all these really big, expensive models. We have battle engines, colossals, and I'm willing to bet the new double epic casters will be on these huge bases as well.

What? No. That's stupid. 3Vlad, eVyros, and Kr3oss are all cavalry models, and 3mo is a pair of small based models. No word on Gasp3 yet, but he's either still a medium based model or they grafted him onto a Soul Hunter.

Mahu wrote:Sample Cards:

If you stop the video a couple of frames earlier (04:37) you can see the weapon systems on the front of the Galleon's second card. They read:

(Ranged Weapon, location L (left) icon) Harpo (Harpoon or harpoon something?)

(Ranged Weapon, location L (left) icon) Gun P (Gun P, any guesses what word P is the first letter of?)

(Melee Weapon, location L (left) icon) Tride (Trident or trident something?)

Laughing Man wrote: No word on Gasp3 yet, but he's either still a medium based model or they grafted him onto a Soul Hunter.

Yeah, no word, except the exact same issue of NQ when we first saw 3mo's art.

Gaspy is on a Med base with a follower or two.

So they mentioned specifically in the video that they didn't want the colossi to look like up-sized warjacks...but that's exactly what the Ret one looks like! It looks like an up-sized manticore with a stupider-looking head and pointless little details added all over. It's like they said "This model is too plain to charge $150 for it...stick a million fething glowy lights all over it that serve no purpose. Yeah, that looks good." Since Ret jacks don't have rivets on them they had to do something, I guess. lol...

I guess I need to see the actual model before making a final judgment, but I imagine the painted version of the Ret colossus will look more like a fething Christmas tree than a stompy robot. Or a stompy robot Christmas tree. Considering also that I started getting into Warmachine purely because it was cheaper and smaller than 40k, I'm not exactly thrilled by the news that PP is interested in pushing bigger armies and selling bigger models like this with prices that put GW's to shame.

I honestly don't expect that PP will ever really push "bigger armies." Yes, they've given the option to play larger games with the streamlined Unbound rules (that people have been asking for since day 1, incidentally), but no, the battle engines and even Colossals aren't going to force you to suddenly start playing 75 points or higher just to stay in the game. Hell, I look forward to fielding 2 Conquests with Karchev at 25 to 35 points, depending on their final cost.

This is an interesting turn of events.

Sidstyler wrote: Considering also that I started getting into Warmachine purely because it was cheaper and smaller than 40k, I'm not exactly thrilled by the news that PP is interested in pushing bigger armies and selling bigger models like this with prices that put GW's to shame.

Give the people what they want. People want larger battles apparently.

Although imo it is a bit ironic that Warmachine is a "skirmishy" wargame yet quite a bit of the artwork depicts hundreds of soldiers fighting. I guess its a bit like other games like Battletech and such

kenshin620 wrote:This is an interesting turn of events.

Sidstyler wrote: Considering also that I started getting into Warmachine purely because it was cheaper and smaller than 40k, I'm not exactly thrilled by the news that PP is interested in pushing bigger armies and selling bigger models like this with prices that put GW's to shame.

Give the people what they want. People want larger battles apparently.

Although imo it is a bit ironic that Warmachine is a "skirmishy" wargame yet quite a bit of the artwork depicts hundreds of soldiers fighting. I guess its a bit like other games like Battletech and such

Personally, I would have preferred it stayed small, rather than getting EPIC(!), but now I play Malifaux, so at least I can have one setting where the game resembles the fluff.

One thing I'd like to point out is that Warmachine still focuses on battles around the 35-50 point range. The latest battlereport in NQ40 was 50 points, in fact. They aren't pushing for 75 or 100 - or even 150 - point games in any way.

Warmachine has been out for, what, 9 years now? You've got to assume that some people have been collecting since the very beginnings of mk1, and can you imagine what their collections look like? So that's where we get Unbound from, where you're basically playing 3 50 point lists. I can see where people get to this point, however, due to the way PP's games work.

Wow, Ill take one of those Cygnar colossals...

Generally, I'm not a big fan of freaking huge miniatures...but those jacks look really good.

I was so excited I forced my wife to watch the video. After watching it she goes eh, that blue one was cool looking. That's how awesome these things are, my wife actually said something miniature related was cool!

I really hope the price point will be good on these because I have a few conversions in mind.

poipo32 wrote:I really hope the price point will be good on these because I have a few conversions in mind.

Don't get your hopes up. I'm expecting around $120.

Hm. Just saw this over at Lost Hemisphere.



Sooo... the Stormwall (Cygnar Colossus) shoots mines. Triangulation points for Stormcallers?

I'm going to save up for two of them. Its always fun when you show someone a model and then tell them how much it set you back.

I smell a five model 35 point list... pNemo, Stormwall (assuming it's 20 points), Stormstrider, 2x Lancer.


YEEEEEEEEAHHHH

I definitely like the Khador one, since they actually gave it the proportions of a big, stompy war machine for once.

infinite_array wrote:Hm. Just saw this over at Lost Hemisphere.



Sooo... the Stormwall (Cygnar Colossus) shoots mines. Triangulation points for Stormcallers?

That's cool!

I'm trying to remember what they mentioned about that. I think they said something along the lines of the colossi losing weapons, idk though.

Mines does sound pretty cool

scarletsquig wrote:Most accidentally relevant old comic EVER:



Taken from Anything But Real Life (quite a nice webcomic, one of my daily reads!).

spiralingcadaver wrote:Wow, not to go off topic, gut those characters' proportions are really distractingly strange...

They're from Popeye's home planet.

Alfndrate wrote:I'm trying to remember what they mentioned about that. I think they said something along the lines of the colossi losing weapons, idk though.

Mines does sound pretty cool

Now, that would be a cool strategy.

'Oh man, my Stormwall's down to a couple of boxes... Mines! Mines everywhere! Forward, my static-y haired minions!'

What would they be in real life terms? 7m tall? Freakn epic. No colossal!

I forsee a warhound facing off with one of these in the future on a demotavational poster somewhere.

Laughing Man wrote:I honestly don't expect that PP will ever really push "bigger armies."

Why not? It's the easiest way to keep selling minis to the same people.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:I honestly don't expect that PP will ever really push "bigger armies."

Why not? It's the easiest way to keep selling minis to the same people.

Because their current way to keep selling minis to the same people (coming out with new stuff) seems to be working pretty well.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:I honestly don't expect that PP will ever really push "bigger armies."

Why not? It's the easiest way to keep selling minis to the same people.

Because of how PP's games work. They don't try to entice people into buying 3 of every unit, solo, and warcaster in the game.

But what they actually do is design their games so that each unit, solo, warcaster, etc. changes the way you and your army play. So you start with 15 points. You get up to 25 points. Then you buy another unit and some solos to swap in and out at 25. Maybe another warcaster to see what that'll change. And then you head up to 35 points. A new unit or two, maybe another few solos, a couple more warcasters...

And the next thing you know, you've got 200+ points worth of models without needing to play 100 point games every single week.

As an example, let's look at the latest League PP is running. There is no 'Games must be played at 75 points or more, or they will not count'. You can play the entire league with 15 point games, if you wanted to.

Wraith Engine, Kraken - looks like Cryx has nothing for people who like big bipedal war machines.

hope we get a preview of the Kraken soon, because going by that artwork it's going to look rubbish

The Khadran jacks have gotten more and more "fugly" with each new generation imho.

I'm not really liking it. Looks too "battletech meets Transformers" and not enough "steampunk meets Full Metal Fantasy'...

I like look of the Khador colossal, awsome stuff still gotta get the gun carrige first though!!!