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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Just what are KB's exactly? I am a bit uncertain of their nature.

A shield that protect against projectiles, but not against energy weapons.

Yeah, I need a bit more than that. How does it protect against only projectiles? Why does it have no effect on "energy" weapons?

From Mass Effect Wikipedia:

Kinetic barriers:


Mass accelerator weapons:



A note before all you start wambling "it's from Wikipedia so it is not true": this text is directly copied from Codex witch can be read in the game itself. So it is as canonical as any 40k codex.

Hunterindarkness wrote:To me the main deciding factor has not been covered. How big is the WAAAAGH!? Are we talking about a single Rok and a few ships? Or a dozen roks? or are we talking about a a major unseen event like the mobilization of most if not all orks in a Segmentum, well then the reapers and everyone else are well and truly screwed.

The IoM acknowledges a rampaging band of orks as a full-scale Waagh! once they hit about 2.5 billion orks united under a single warlord, because at that point they pose a serious threat to even most heavily fortified worlds and can no longer be stopped without a massive deployment of imperial guard, navy and space marines (Source: IA:8). Thrakkas initial attack on Armageddon was 50 billion orks (though might vary depending on source)

Just for comparrison, Garrus mentions 9 billion turians living on Palavan, Thessia is said to be home to 15 billion Asari. I guess about 25% of those are able to fight in a war. This does not include any colonies, the fleets or the citadel itself, so the orks would have some catching up to do once they arrive.

However, the Reapers took more than 100 years to wipe out the protheans, and they even needed a weeks (if not months) to just destroy all major cities on Earth. Javic (the Prothean) even says that the reapers won all the cylce-ending wars by attrition, due to them causing heavy casualties and taking close to none(their entire ground forces are expendable). If they were fighting orks, after one year, any spores spread by the first casualties would have matured into full grown ork boyz, resulting in a constant flow of reinforcements. The Reaper's slow and thorough approach will most likely cost them the war, as the orks could probably continue the fight for aeons. And unlike tyranids, chaos or the IoM dropping an exterminatus, the Reapers don't leave planets uninhabitable and void of resources, so a once defeated and cleaned world could easily rise to a new ork stronghold within a decade or so.

I also agree on the take on ork tech vs reaper tech. Gargants should at least come up to size of most reapers, and even stompas, battlefortresses or kill tanks can easily take on any ground troops they have (Makos and Hammers are more like rhinos in comparrison) and probably pack enough firepower to damage even big reapers.

This gets me thinking, what if Commander Shepard was an Ork freebooter?

Ashley: Commander we've been through a lot and I want to ask you something.

Warboss Shepork: Wot iz it?

Ashley: Are we... going somewhere?

Warboss Shepork: WOT DA ZOG AR YOU'Z TALKIN' 'BOUT? OF CORSE WE'Z GOIN' SUMWHER'Z! WE'Z GOIN' TO DEM REAPA BOYZ YOU STUPID GIT! Zog me. I'z ot to feed you'z to me squig.

Actually, someone should do a comic about that.

Warboss Shepork would also be a deff skull. They painted the Normandy blue after stealing it from Cerberus.

Jidmah wrote:
I also agree on the take on ork tech vs reaper tech. Gargants schould at least come up to size of most reapers, and even stompas, battlefortresses or kill tanks can easily take on any ground troops they have (Makos and Hammers are more like rhinos in comparrison) and probably pack enough firepower to damage even big reapers.

Gargants are in size similar to Imperial Titans, the biggest Imperial Titan is 55m high.
Reapers are anywhere from 160 meters ( Destroyer ) to 2 kilometers ( Reapers like Sovereign and Harbinger ).

So in sheer size, Titans to Reapers are like Sentinels to Titan.

A gargant can be ten times the size of a stompa (and more), which would easily bring it to the size of a destroyer. Harbinger is also described to be twice the size of a regular reaper, so 1km is probably is more common for the squid-like ones.

You also have to remember...how many Gargants/Stompas would there be on a battlefield? You're talking about maybe a couple of them versus dozens of Reapers...more if they start losing and decide to bring their forces to bear.

Additionally, as I had mentioned before, the Reapers could potentially turn Orks into foot soldiers much in the same way that they turn humans into Husks and Turians into Marauders. That could make some frightening troops for the Reapers, not to mention that they could grow their forces nearly exponentially after each battle, much in the same way the Orks do.

The big thing is, I think that the Reapers would beat the Orks in space, before they could make planetfall. An Ork fleet versus over 10k Reapers would be a massive victory for the Reapers, I feel.

There would be 2.5billions of orks at minimum, so that's quite a large fleet there.

Nom

All in the size, An Ork could easily outnumber the 10k reapers if large enough. Ya have to recall even a small Waagh is massive. If it is 2.5 billion Orks we are talking major fleet action here. A single Kroozer is 4.5 km long, with shields and burissling with weapons. It is also massively armored and never alone. If it is 2.5 billion then we are talking a couple thousand Ships here in a small Waagh.

The reapers may win, but they could be really badly hurt vs an Ork fleet of that size.

Wonder what Shepard would do in all of this... besides flirting with his crew members.

Stand back and watch? Get other people to help the orks? Assuming the Orks didn't attack em for getting in the way of the good fight

Hunterindarkness wrote:Stand back and watch? Get other people to help the orks? Assuming the Orks didn't attack em for getting in the way of the good fight

Suppose so. Probably would die on first contact with a full Ork mob, though.

Hunterindarkness wrote:All in the size, An Ork could easily outnumber the 10k reapers if large enough. Ya have to recall even a small Waagh is massive. If it is 2.5 billion Orks we are talking major fleet action here. A single Kroozer is 4.5 km long, with shields and burissling with weapons. It is also massively armored and never alone. If it is 2.5 billion then we are talking a couple thousand Ships here in a small Waagh.

The reapers may win, but they could be really badly hurt vs an Ork fleet of that size.

10k Reapers isn't anywhere near all of their forces. And, I'm not saying that the Reapers wouldn't take casualties, just that they'd win in the end.

You know, though...the biggest problem would be that the Reapers aren't in it to fight...

End of ME2/ME3 spoiler alert:

spectreoneone wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:All in the size, An Ork could easily outnumber the 10k reapers if large enough. Ya have to recall even a small Waagh is massive. If it is 2.5 billion Orks we are talking major fleet action here. A single Kroozer is 4.5 km long, with shields and burissling with weapons. It is also massively armored and never alone. If it is 2.5 billion then we are talking a couple thousand Ships here in a small Waagh.

The reapers may win, but they could be really badly hurt vs an Ork fleet of that size.

10k Reapers isn't anywhere near all of their forces. And, I'm not saying that the Reapers wouldn't take casualties, just that they'd win in the end.

You know, though...the biggest problem would be that the Reapers aren't in it to fight...

End of ME2/ME3 spoiler alert:

Spoiler:

The Reapers are harvesting organic life to advance it into the Reaper form to prevent synthetic life from exterminating organic life. Over time, the Reapers would harvest the Orks, and create Ork Reapers, much like they did with the human Reaper in ME2. And, for the Orks they couldn't either convert to a Reaper or a Husk-form Ork...they'd wipe out. I think it would take hundreds and hundreds of years, but eventually the Reapers would come out victorious. This is, of course, assuming they face only one WAAGH.

But what if... the Ork reapers turned on the others and started becoming more like Orks? Ork behavior is hard wired into their genes and mostly unlearned.

The reapers would get one converted ork out of every killed ork, but at the same time the orks would gain hundreds of spores from that one ork dieing spawning squigs, snotlings, gretchin and orks again.

I don't think the reapers can win that war by attrition. Even the tyranids struggle, and they are much better at that game than the reapers are.

Jidmah wrote:A gargant can be ten times the size of a stompa (and more), which would easily bring it to the size of a destroyer..

According to Lexicanum and IA Gargant is around the same size of imperator Titan ( 55m ).

nomsheep wrote:There would be 2.5billions of orks at minimum, so that's quite a large fleet there.

Nom

Change that to trillion, and now you've got the bare minimum of the Ork size.

Brother Coa wrote:

Jidmah wrote:A gargant can be ten times the size of a stompa (and more), which would easily bring it to the size of a destroyer..

According to Lexicanum and IA Gargant is around the same size of imperator Titan ( 55m ).

And Great Gargant?

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Jidmah wrote:A gargant can be ten times the size of a stompa (and more), which would easily bring it to the size of a destroyer..

According to Lexicanum and IA Gargant is around the same size of imperator Titan ( 55m ).

And Great Gargant?

Here's a size chart. Should help.

Chowderhead wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Jidmah wrote:A gargant can be ten times the size of a stompa (and more), which would easily bring it to the size of a destroyer..

According to Lexicanum and IA Gargant is around the same size of imperator Titan ( 55m ).

And Great Gargant?

Here's a size chart. Should help.

Awesome!

There you have it, Mega Gargant is even smaller then Emperor Titan in size.
That is still 55 meters against smallest Reaper of 160 meters.

I'm not gonna get into the discussion on Gargant sizes since I don't believe there is a set size. I remember reading in one of the black library books, I think it was Helsreach, where the made a Titan bigger than an Imperator by using parts from their ships or something.

Anyways, If orks existed in the Mass Effect universe there are things that I think that would have to take into consideration. If Orks were to be prominent they would have to been there for a long time, meaning that the Rachni would either cease to exist or kept in check because of the Orks, the krogans would have never rebelled as they would have been kept occupied by the Orks. Everyone else would be in constant war with the Orks, I can think of a few races that would be wiped out.

Imagine the Orks would be in such great numbers that the reapers wont even be able to match them, even if the Orks war with eachother the reapers wont be able to match a horde similar to Ghazghkull Thraka or Snagrod.

Also i was quoted, sweet.

Brother Coa wrote:There you have it, Mega Gargant is even smaller then Emperor Titan in size.
That is still 55 meters against smallest Reaper of 160 meters.

Good thing that being bigger is rarely a good thing even in the modern era, not to mention lightspeed anti-armor weapons.

spectreoneone wrote:You also have to remember...how many Gargants/Stompas would there be on a battlefield? You're talking about maybe a couple of them versus dozens of Reapers...more if they start losing and decide to bring their forces to bear.

Additionally, as I had mentioned before, the Reapers could potentially turn Orks into foot soldiers much in the same way that they turn humans into Husks and Turians into Marauders. That could make some frightening troops for the Reapers, not to mention that they could grow their forces nearly exponentially after each battle, much in the same way the Orks do.

The big thing is, I think that the Reapers would beat the Orks in space, before they could make planetfall. An Ork fleet versus over 10k Reapers would be a massive victory for the Reapers, I feel.

Has anyone taken into account that Orks can adapt? Sure, they may start out with tons of trukks, wagons, and tanks, with only a few gargants and stompas, but they aren't so stupid that they wouldn't notice that they're going up against giant 1-to-4km sized mechanical squids. Once that realization comes, they would start building less tanks and more gargants/stompas (probably scrapping the smaller vehicles at first in order to build the first ones) so that they could at least come somewhat close to the sheer size and dakka-ness of the Reapers. Once the Reapers start taking lossess - regardless of whether they would win or lose, they would indeed take losses - then the Orks would undoubtedly build some new gargants and kroozas that have some, though probably not all, of the dead Reapers' parts added into them. I wouldn't be surprised to see some gargants with "melty-dakka deffguns" (the molten metal guns) and "snazzy, growy, an' dedd 'ard armor" (the semi-organic Reaper armor) after the first few battles, and probably some similarly armed/armored kroozas/roks.

Now of course, not all the Ork guns would be scrapped in favor of Gargants, but the ones not scrapped would certainly get some upgrades. The meks would go crazy with all the possibilities for 'uge squiddy killas: gatling beamy deffguns, battlewagon-mountable snazzguns, mega dakka deffguns, supa deff dredds, etc.

TheCustomLime wrote:

But what if... the Ork reapers turned on the others and started becoming more like Orks? Ork behavior is hard wired into their genes and mostly unlearned.

Great Scott, he's on to something here!

If that proved to be the case, the Reapers' attempt at victory would end up being their doom. I mean, if these really turned out to be Orky Reapers, then wouldn't they become the Warboss and Nobz by default? No other Ork could possibly grow to kilometers in size, after all.

masterofThardus wrote:

If that proved to be the case, the Reapers' attempt at victory would end up being their doom. I mean, if these really turned out to be Orky Reapers, then wouldn't they become the Warboss and Nobz by default? No other Ork could possibly grow to kilometers in size, after all.

Except the ones that do

IIRC It says in the ork codex that entire galaxies are dedicated to the green tide and some orks grow as big as gargants.




Nom

I think it could be close with how quickly krogans can breed. It's not like orks can fight unified either. I say ME wins

Question. Over this long period of war that would take. Wouldn't that mean more and more reapers would be made? Because the reapers do not possess the same qualities as the race they were once from. The inside part of the reapers look like them sure but they would not be like them in anyway possible. This would mean that from the billions of orks slain, 2 reapers are made. They take their bodies and process them. And seeing how they could just blast through the ork ships like tissue paper.

The thing is we are talking about two races. That don't quit. Orks like the fightin. And the reapers have patience. The Reapers use strategies of other races against them. So that means that fighting just one race is simple. Thats how they defeated the protheans.

But then....
Orks with looted reapers....
Though to be honest a looted normandy sounds funny.

King Crow wrote:I think it could be close with how quickly krogans can breed. It's not like orks can fight unified either. I say ME wins

But Orks CAN fight unified.

Sovspot wrote:

King Crow wrote:I think it could be close with how quickly krogans can breed. It's not like orks can fight unified either. I say ME wins

But Orks CAN fight unified.

Every ork in the universe can fight together? Nope.

King Crow wrote:

Sovspot wrote:

King Crow wrote:I think it could be close with how quickly krogans can breed. It's not like orks can fight unified either. I say ME wins

But Orks CAN fight unified.

Every ork in the universe can fight together? Nope.

But you do not need all of them. Just half of a Segmetums's Orks would totally swamp the ME setting,I mean even a single Waaarg of 2.5 billion Orks are not even the majority of orks in a given section. and every dead ork, you could be facing 10 the next year. The ME people would not know that the first go around, if they could defeat all the orks, they would be facing a greater number within a year and there is no way the reapers can recover numbers that fast. And when they are in a large Waaargh you best belive they fight as one unit. They may fall apart afterword, but they fight together if a big powerful foe shows up that makes a good fight.