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The glazes are mad. There's a video somewhere on t'internet of a guy painting a white-primed Imperial Fist Land Raider in 37 secs using 3 layers of yellow glaze, not counting drying time.

Leaving aside the glaze, then, I highly recommend the alternate drybrush/wash method. Works a treat.

Amazing Git.

YB.. Would you mind if I too had a shot at it?

I cannot mach the Git touch but I think I be able to express my color concept with a figure. Ok to say no. I got lots of other guys to finish up . ( ice's Apoth is going to make me more insane . )

Sounds like you have a lot of good options Yb, I'm not trying to steer you to any one of them, just trying to help by discussing my attempt.

@Graven: ok, I'll have to give them a shot!

@SL: LOL. No problem at all, my friend. The more people who try out schemes, the more options, I have. If you have the time, give it a shot.

@Gits: I never thought differently. Your suggestions are some of the ones that made me start to look at color differently, so any ideas/suggestions you have are most welcome. The Fire Dragons by Stahly and Akaelus (and Iffy!) I found because of suggestions made by you and IceAngel! Thank you, Gentlemen! :

Cool beans!

I'm in the middle of a couple of projects right now, but I got some bits the other day, so I thought I might show you a couple of WiP pieces.

First, a banner:

The one on the left shows the original (which I'm sure you recognize). The one on the right shows what I'm thinking of doing to it.

What do you think? I might add a loop of smoke around the main column. Should I cover up the torii gate at the bottom or leave it?

Second, a piece I really like: Stibor Lazaerek:




Credit where credit is due: wish I could claim credit for the hawk helmet, but I saw it online here.
Also, several bits (eagle bit, torso, and arms) are courtesy of Solar_lion. Thanks!

It's just tacked together, of course; I thought I'd get some feedback from you all before I glue bits together. So, what do you think?

I think the helmet still needs some green stuff (and the rest needs to be cleaned, of course). I'll add a jump pack, too; I couldn't get it on with just tacky.

I was also thinking of using a larger base for better stability (though this one seems to work ok), kind of like Gitsplitta did for his MotF. I've heard some people are sticklers over bases.... I may just pin him to the architectural bit, so I can put him on a regular base in case someone complains.

I was thinking of trying some of that stained glass stuff Gits uses, too....

Not sure on the helmet yet. Want to see paint. I'd think the helm from the ravenguard vets ma work better.

I like the idea, but the eagle head extending from the front of a normal helmet looks kind of goofy. You could split the helmet (top to bottom) from back to front (though I wouldn't quite go all the way to the end of the beek) and green stuff in the empty wedge in the middle to make it wide enough for a normal helm. Then once you've got it where you like it, cast multiples in resin so you can equip a whole squad (or more) with them.

I like where you are going Yellowbeard, but you need to shorten the base big time. I need to read up on Stibor Lazaerek before I can critique the helm or weapons, but the first thing that jumped out at me was the base. It'd be awesome if it were on a big display board but if you plan on using the model you need to bring him down a bit. You don't need to have him be all that high off the ground to be taller then all of the other models on your army. Keep in mind from a gaming stand point if an enemy can see him they can shoot at him, you'd never be able to hide that guy.

Ask Git, he did the same thing with his jump pack marines.

Perhaps chop the top third off and then place it at an angle. You could still add some stained glass to it and have him jumping away from it.

good advice all around..

or.. just leave the figure high up and trust that the faith in the Emperior will protect him. Let us know how that works out.
He is a special character so he deserves to have a special base. I like Ice's surggestion. Play around with different heights!

What are you going to do with the back? Jumppack?

SL

Hey YB!,

I hope you are well. I would agree that Stibor Lazaerek is too high. Personally, I would shoot him down asap! I also am not sure about the helmet. I feel that it does not flow well with the rest of the model.

Gits' idea about converting the helmet is a good one. I would look into this further!

First of all, good work with the colour schemes- nice to see effort being put into getting a good scheme together!

I have also been toying with the idea since seeing the Fire Hawks in Imperial Armour (I though "huh, they're different") so if you see a picture in my blog of a Fire Hawk, don't immediately think "That git has stolen my idea! *RAGE*"

Anyhoo, I read up on Lazaerek's fluff and isn't he partly crippled? In my mind, I see Lazaerek as a bit of a grumpy old git and a gnarly Terminator.

However, the beauty of the Grimdark Universe is that you can do what you like! I would suggest though that cutting down the base height would not only be a good one aesthetically, but also tactically as mentioned befored: If you can see him, people will shoot at him.

Keep it up!

Cool pose. How about using one of the Calgar honor guard helms?

Thats what i was thinking too, but those are molded in, and rather hard to remove.

Hmm, not quite the reaction I expected, but then that's why I asked for feedback! Thanks, everyone!

@WM: Not sure about paint for this guy yet, so he won't get any for a while. I've thought of doing a color fade from yellow up to red/brown, kind of like this, but I'm not sure how that would look. At least, it would give me some practice with wet blending.

I didn't know there were actual ravenguard vets. Can you point me toward them? I've only seen Shrike, and his helmet is more raven than hawk.... I guess I might be able to adapt a Corvus helmet...?

@Gitsplitta: What makes it look "goofy" to you? Is it too narrow? I hadn't thought about casting it; that has some potential. I'm not sure that *I* could do the work (splitting the helm) that you suggest. I think it might just come apart on me. (Just don't have those skill - or tools - yet.)

Just for fun, here's a comparison of helmets:


@IceAngel: There isn't much on Lazaerek; here's his Lexicanum page: Stibor Lazaerek. He's discussed in IA9, of course, but there are no official stats for him (that I know of) and no mention of weapons or armor (that I've found). I was planning on using him as a counts-as Dante....

When I first conceived of the model, I imagined him in a diorama, descending from the sky and firing at Lugft Huron! (In fact, I still want to do that piece sometime.) I may still do this base but only pin him to it without glue, so that I can put him on a different base for gaming. (I plan on getting a Lugft Huron model, too... or maybe you should... ) Here are a couple other basing ideas, inspired by Ice:

Same base but lower position:


Smaller bit of wall (probably still to high):


Lower on the smaller wall:

I kind of like this one.

Ice's suggestion:

Also quite nice, I think.

Slight variation on Ice's suggestion:


Koolaid!


Thoughts?

@SL: Thanks. Sang Guard jump pack. The tacky stuff I have isn't very good, so I couldn't get all the pieces to stay on.

@eldartau: Thanks, my friend. Now that I've taken a couple more pictures of the guy, I'm starting to see what you object to in the helm.... Which of the bases above do you like?

@Elnibbus: Thanks for checking out my blog! And no worries about doing Fire Hawks; there aren't many of us who play them, so we need to stick together. If you see something here, feel free to help yourself! Thanks for the comment on the paint schemes. I'm trying.

I missed the bit about being crippled. Do you remember where you saw that? He is old (600) and definitely arrogant and agressive, but I'm not sure about the gnarly bit. I was planning on running him as a counts as Dante, so I stayed away from the termie armor. I've seen a lot of chapter masters in termie armor - and it makes sense - but I was trying for something a little different. (Yeah, 'cuz a Dante proxy is "different"... ) Which of the bases above do you like?

@Graven: Thanks! I was planning on using that helmet (the one with the wings on) for another character, Elam Courbray, but I may need to use it for Lazaerek instead. I haven't been able to find it as bits yet, though. A little pricey to buy that kit for a couple of heads.... Anyone got a couple Honour Guard sitting around they'd be willing to part with?

Any thoughts on the banner? Good idea? Bad idea?

Who is the FH named fella from IA9/10? Dont have my books at work (though as busy as I am today, I wish I did)

I enjoy the one with him down on the post a little bit. number one from this end. Makes him look very dynamic and picturesque.

This one is my fav.


As for the helm.. I thought Git had a great Idea about splitting it. and filling it in. Was the original from the pack pack?

check these out .. http://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=1285#i/conversion_parts_2012/big/egyptian_helmets_2_01.jpg

SL

@WM: Elam Courbray, captain of the 8th company. He's pretty well detailed: two-handed sword. I plan building him, too, but I had Dante on my mind....

@eldartau: this one?

I like this one, too, but is he still too high?

@SL: Yeah, Commander backpack + cut-down helmet.

Oooh, Scibor. Those are nice, but would they look better? Too Egyptian? Here's what the head looks like on a body: Egyptian SF Warrior.

I've planned my Elam Courbray already

Yellowbeard wrote: Oooh, Scibor. Those are nice, but would they look better? Too Egyptian? Here's what the head looks like on a body: Egyptian SF Warrior.

Yes.. but that appears to be the look you are heading towards.. . I still think this is a better start/ chance to modify than modifying the backpack into a helm. IMO. I think its size is more appropriate.
I always wish I could see one in person so I could judge the size and the look.
SL

Very interesting with the colours I find though sometimes the main colour looks very different after you finish the model. I'd advise going so far as adding the yellow to each model and the flames as they will look different and see where to go from there.

In the head department these might interest you http://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=102

yes that is the one that I like. He may be too high still though. SL's choice is my second choice as well.

Your model of Lazaerek is so awesome! I love it, and I can't wait to see how it looks when it's finished!

Yellowbeard, what about if you took this set up, but instead of having the ruins straight up, lean the ruins back? So Lazaerek is still jumping off the face of the ruins. It still gives you the nice dynamic pose without making him a target on top of a pole.

Can you tac that one up for us please?

I like this chap you are working on

I prefer this pose



Not too much wall but it does the job!

Hey YB... could you give me a close-up side head shot of the head of the model? Perhaps my judgement on the head was affected by photo angle.

Also, do you anticipate that a normal man's head is in there (i.e. the head is just a helmet) or has he been altered in some way by his gene-seed to actually have a bird's head?

I'm seeing it more as a head than a helmet on the model, but I think it should be more helmet orientated otherwise it kind of looks like this



No disrespect intended, tis only my opinion

You could always sculpt the front of the head onto a marine helmet not sure how that would look.

GiraffeX wrote:I'm seeing it more as a head than a helmet on the model, but I think it should be more helmet orientated otherwise it kind of looks like this



No disrespect intended, tis only my opinion

You could always sculpt the front of the head onto a marine helmet not sure how that would look.

Haha. This was my first thought too. The concept of the "hawk" head is good. Problem is that the helmet is too long. Needs to be moved back to shorten it up better. Right now, the aesthetics of it don't work (at least for me).

I love the Fire Hawks. I flitted with doing an army of them years ago, way before the IA article came out, just because I was a fan of the Firebird cars. I'd even wanted to reverse the red and yellow, which made it even more amusing when IA did exactly that. I'lld add that I think you should go with the more red scheme. The browns aren't really doing the models justice.

@Elnibbus: Cool! Care to share your plans...?

@SL: Well, I was goinf for a hawk helmet but not necessarily Egyptian. I think the Egyptian look has a lot of potential, and one of these days I'd like to do a Thousand Sons army, but I'm not sure the Fire Hawks fit that theme. You're right about the size of the head; it's much better. I also just realized that there are 2 different Horus heads at Scibor, but I can't tell which one you get in that order.

@GiraffeX: Thanks for stopping by and checking out my blog! Glad to have you on board. Yes, I've heard that advice from a couple of people now and plan to do that. In fact, I had started painting earlier in the week and then got distracted by this model... Thanks for the link to puppets war! I've heard good things about them and those heads look interesting.

@eldatau: Thanks!

@3D: Thanks! Glad you like it. I hope I can make it work in the end.

@Ice: Like this?



That's a nice pose. Thanks for the suggestion! He may be too high still, but I can lower him some when I actually pin the pieces together.

@tipios: Thanks for stopping by and casting your vote! I'm looking forward to your comments on my feeble attempts at converting models.

@Gits: I'll try to take a couple of close -ups a little later.

In the meantime, here are a couple of different heads scanvenged from my (very small) bitz box:



I was thinking of the original as a helmet, yes. I did cut it down a little, but I think there's plenty of room in the front, and the only bits I cut off the sides were the ear piece. That is, if you look at a Mk 7 helmet, you'll see a ridge on top and a ridge on each side. The actual helmet is smaller than that. I trimmed the side ridges, but the rest of the helmet is still there. So, it should be able to fit a human head...

@GiraffeX: Didn't you post that picture in another thread? What is it with you and Sam? None taken. The idea of a hawk head is actually interesting. I'm not sure what the =][= would think about it, though....