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Grimstonefire wrote:I know what I would do if I were Felix. I'd approach companies like wayland games/ maelstrom to 'buy' stock in advance at a slight discount. I imagine that would take them up to £20k fairly quickly.

Obviously they'd have to have strict terms etc.

Problem is AoW has already shown difficulty in meeting demand. Large online stores and distributors would not want risk money on a product that might not show up when scheduled. And who knows, with the failure to meet schedule for the Apoc warriors, they might have already been burned.

I have not ready the AoW Forum thread, but through scipio.au, it sounds like Felix believes the product will sell itself. There has been no new information or revelations since the indiegogo has launched. After the initial burst of publicity, they have done nothing to help maintain or build excitement. It's obvious from this tread, people are gunshy. They saw the complaints about late warrior boxes and poor communication and have doubts in AoW's ability to deliver in a timely manner.

Halfway there with 12 days to go.

This one might come right down to the wire!

Alpharius wrote:Halfway there with 12 days to go.

This one might come right down to the wire!

I doubt it considering the funding seems to have dried up. He is getting only a few hundred dollars a day on a good day at this point.

Yeah - it seems to be losing steam unfortunately. We're several days past the half-way point now, and we're just barely over the halfway mark money-wise.

If it were closer there might have been an uptick in the last few days to make sure it succeeded. But at this pace it doesn't look like it will be even that close.

Though I guess anything could happen, like someone shelling out for one of the $4k or $5k tours.

*fingers crossed*

Yeah they only got $1000 in last three days. Maybe someone will pony up for one of the big one though and get this over the top.

They've just updated the perks they're offering. Removing some of the larger one's and adding in some options to enter a prize draw:

$20
AoW Mega-subscription!

You get to participate in this prize draw, where the winner will get for free (shipping included) one of each future AoW product!


$30
AoW Hero green prize draw

You get to participate in this prize draw, where the winner will get the AoW hero green stuff sculpt he choses!

$30
AoW Hero green prize draw

You get to participate in this prize draw, where the winner will get the AoW hero green stuff sculpt he choses!

Just to clarify on this one: if you win, you have to choose an AoW Hero that actually exists - it's not, as I assumed at first glance, the opportunity to have Felix & Co sculpt a Hero of your choice.

You just don't start to save a thing until you spend $190 and that's not even buy 4 get 1 free (20 man regiments). With everything else out there this just isn't worth the investment. And that is from a diehard dwarfer. I'll check it out though when they actually produce them.

Hulksmash wrote:You just don't start to save a thing until you spend $190 and that's not even buy 4 get 1 free (20 man regiments). With everything else out there this just isn't worth the investment. And that is from a diehard dwarfer. I'll check it out though when they actually produce them.

Yeah :-/. I still hope it succeeds, though!

Well, it's a start. I wish they had done it a week ago, but it's something that shows they care.

I'm not sure I see a lot of demand for the new perks either. Though I'm not the sort to buy artwork.

The mega-subscription prize raffle is a good idea I think. But $20 for a chance to enter is kinda crazy. $5 - and I think a ton of people would have entered.

The green raffle is interesting too - but again for $30 I would expect it to be "You get to choose an existing (man-sized) AoW champion, in addition you get entered into a raffle - the winner get's the green sculpt for their chosen champion."

Oddly - for $500 - the "Get your own Dwarf sculpted" is a steal now! I expect these will go fast. You get your own custom Dwarf, and 100 dwarves of your choosing. That means you're only really paying $300 for the sculpt.

I think they need to add more of the $200 painted Dwarf hero - it's selling decently at least.

And it's nice to see the lone tour so cheap, that could be a fun, affordable long weekend for some gaming buddies (who live in Europe).

It'll be fun to see if this picks up the pace funds-wise or not. At the very least they can get a good idea of what works/what doesn't and come back with a more moderate kickstarter next time.

Schmapdi wrote:Oddly - for $500 - the "Get your own Dwarf sculpted" is a steal now! I expect these will go fast. You get your own custom Dwarf, and 100 dwarves of your choosing. That means you're only really paying $300 for the sculpt.

Wow, that actually is quite good. If it was phrased like that (i.e. $300 to have a dwarf sculpted of your choosing) I bet it'd be already gone. Or if it'd been added earlier.

So, yeah... that's pretty sweet!

Now if they'd only make the lower pledge levels better deals, too.

Schmapdi wrote:

The mega-subscription prize raffle is a good idea I think. But $20 for a chance to enter is kinda crazy. $5 - and I think a ton of people would have entered.

Sorry to quote myself - but Holy Crap - they just lowered the entry on the mega-raffle to $5. I'd be a hypocrite not to enter it now... so off I go to claim the first one!

Whoa- that's sweet of them. I am sure I will end up doing at least that by the end.

Nice that they finally listened, at least a bit!

It's definitely wise to wait - apparently Infamy discovered that raffles are not allowed as rewards on Indiegogo.

Been checking out new concept sketches by none other than Wayne England this morning, they are looking amazing!

They've just posted on Facebook that they've been asked by Indiegogo to remove the raffle perks.

I just received a note from Indiegogo asking me to remove the raffles! :( It is against their policies.
Sorry for the inconvenience!

Once the campaign ends (if reaching the goal) we will give the prize one of to those who had already entered the prize draw contribution. there were very few, so chances to win are pretty high!

Darn, should've snuck in there when there was a chance, then

I wouldn't support these guys in anything else they do I never received my apoc warriors from them sent emails asking why no response. Not trust worthy.

I'm assuming you got a refund, right?

You can check when your order is scheduled to ship on this page:

http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=107&Itemid=143#X

Their comms seems to be sub-par for the apoc warriors, to put it mildly. I think they should be throwing extras in with everyone's late orders as an apology, but that doesn't fit Felix' mentality for his range. I'll only ever buy their figures from retailers based on others' experiences with this debacle.

Wow, I clicked that link and selected June 1st just to see shipping time. I was pretty surprised it would take over a month to ship it--but was even more surprised that it said it had 1756 boxes waiting before me to ship. If that is accurate, that means they have $83,216 dollars worth of stock they need to cast up and ship to people still. Yikes.

Maybe that's why Felix doesn't see the point in giving extra value to the Kickstarter campaign? He's already had $100k of people's money for close to 6 months before shipping most of them any stuff.

A few days ago i was planning to put in a pity pledge of $95 despite having no interest in dwarfs, simply because i wanted AoW indiegogo to succeed. But after seeing Felix fail to understand why other projects are currently flourishing while his is struggling has made me change my mind about supporting them.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Wow, I clicked that link and selected June 1st just to see shipping time. I was pretty surprised it would take over a month to ship it--but was even more surprised that it said it had 1756 boxes waiting before me to ship. If that is accurate, that means they have $83,216 dollars worth of stock they need to cast up and ship to people still. Yikes.

I'm assuming their shipping calculator is out of date, every order beyond march 19th is set to be shipped on July 6th... My order is to be posted on the 18th of June according to the calculator (i placed it February 24th.), but im really starting to think it won't even ready by then.

I guess we'll see what happens on Monday.

I was half-tempted to pledge $25 or $45, but.. between Sedition Wars, Mantic, the Maelstrom sale that ends tomorrow (with things actually in stock and able to ship!) and other bills, I've decided against it. If the dwarfs get made, I'll buy some of them for less from Maelstrom than Felix is asking in the IGG. Plus I want to pick up the D&D Ravenloft boardgame and it's 2 sequels in the near future, some more Forgeworld stuff, a plastic Daemons army, a bunch of Puppetswar resin parts, Stormraven extension kits from Chapterhouse, a bunch of Warlord Games WW2 stuff that will go into multiple games.. see, this is all stuff available right now that I want to buy from within this hobby. (not counting other hobbies I have). This is why the more-expensive-than-discounted-retail strategy of Felix is failing.

edit - I should edit that slightly and post it on the AoW forum, but I fear it'll just fall on deaf ears.

AlexHeap wrote:They've just posted on Facebook that they've been asked by Indiegogo to remove the raffle perks.

I just received a note from Indiegogo asking me to remove the raffles! :( It is against their policies.
Sorry for the inconvenience!

Once the campaign ends (if reaching the goal) we will give the prize one of to those who had already entered the prize draw contribution. there were very few, so chances to win are pretty high!

As one of the 11 entries in the raffle - I'm both saddened and really excited!

Sad because I bet that actually would have raised them a fair bit of cash (it picked up 11 entries in a relatively short amount of time) and also because I'll feel rather guilty if I win. I mean $55 raised and they're still going to give away one of everything they produce, forever! I honestly wouldn't fault them for just issuing refunds there.

Excited because it's much more fun playing the lotto when you know you have a 9% chance to win. (I'm envious of the people who bought two entries!)

I guess the one guy who contributed for the green prize draw just gets to choose his green!

They might be saved if they don't make their $20k mark. If they don't make it, they won't get anything apparently, so it might save them in that regard.

But in that case, this whole army funding campaign will have been a waste of time.

I love their stuff, but people not getting their miniatures which have been on order since the start of the year is pretty bad.

I don't think AoW has a serious business model in place. Beautiful sculpts, yes, but no sign of honest interest in becoming anything more of a hobby caster putting his wares in a flea market. If current product order isn't being fulfilled, expecting people to hand over money for new product seems niave on their part.

Which is exactly why I'll continue to buy his product from places like Maelstrom (when Maelstrom list it as "in stock").and never direct.

scipio.au wrote:Which is exactly why I'll continue to buy his product from places like Maelstrom (when Maelstrom list it as "in stock").and never direct.

Which is another problem though currently as War Cast so far is "Direct Only"

It just means I don't/can't buy the Warcast stuff, but yeah...