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Vladsimpaler wrote:

YakManDoo wrote:I was on the phone this morning dithering as to buy the thing or not with Neal from the Warstore. I had $75 to spend per the wife...I bought 2x Dust Tactics Axis Zombies, Apes and another unit...then I cried, risked death, bought the 6th ed basic edition and that fething skull servitor tape measure...now I owe Neal $150 and my wife is gonna have my legs broke!?!?!?!

That's pretty sad if you can't even spend your own money on stuff you want and instead you are whipped by your wife. Buy whatever you want dude, unless of course you're not making money.

Honestly I don't blame people who are waiting for the starter set, that's the important thing if you want to play the game! I like the big rulebook 'cause it has lots of pretty pictures n' stuff.

I bought the last two BBB - I'll buy this one.

Vlad hit the nail on its head. Unless your wife doesn't work and is soem stay at home housewife for some weird 1920s reason, you should have a bit of extra cash. If you and your wife were early in your career (in your 20s) - I'd udnerstand. If your in your 40s? Combined what? 80k a year if you didnt go to college? lol

It's an art book/nice rulebook. Buy it or don't. Wait for the starter kit. its more to enjoy the fluff/art then anything IMHO

I did a quick pole of our play group.

1 guy is going to buy it now
1 guy is going to buy it later once he has saved some money
2 guys are going to split several starter boxes and sell the extra two books to me and another player.

Between us we will have 6 rule books 2 BBB and 4 mini's. The other members of our play group will probably mooch.

i ordered the gamer's edition BRB because it looked cool and i wanted the tote bag.

I'm going to buy the book, if for nothing else than the fluff.

However, I feel 6E is where I stop 40k, at least for a while. I may play the occaisional game, but I won't likely buy anything new.

I'm not buying it simply because at this point in time I can't afford it and I've not had the chance to play for a while. I might get the starter set if its Dark Angels although saying that only if they are brand new models not just the Black Reach models with chapter symbols sculpted on like they are in the new paint set.

Not me.
I try to give GW as little of my money as possible. If I don't just go the Piratebay route (less said about that the better) I'll just wait a couple of months and pick up a second hand book on Ebay. Never give GW any money directly if you can help it. I can wait a bit for my copy if need be.

As an aside: 75$? Really? Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to buying extremely expensive large format hardback books. I have a shelf full of Schiffer Military books after all. But those are reference guides that will always hold their value, rather than a game rules set that will be replaced in five or six years and thus be worthless.

TR

Trench-Raider wrote:Not me.
I try to give GW as little of my money as possible. If I don't just go the Piratebay route (less said about that the better) I'll just wait a couple of months and pick up a second hand book on Ebay. Never give GW any money directly if you can help it. I can wait a bit for my copy if need be.

As an aside: 75$? Really? Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to buying extremely expensive large format hardback books. I have a shelf full of Schiffer Military books after all. But those are reference guides that will always hold their value, rather than a game rules set that will be replaced in five or six years and thus be worthless.

TR

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die.. as for big books i'm used to textbooks in college paying hundreds of dollars for some books (my dsm IV TR book in college aloen ran me almost $200, and thats just an example of one, there are pleanty of other medical texts running a few hundred a pop) i think i use it mroe than any of my old textbooks and enjoy it more. the fluff will be somethign to read as well and it'll look good on a shelf once i get a smaller rulebook. from a starter set. and i guess i dont' need some of my old hardback novels once i've read them but doesn't mean i want to get rid of them, i might go back to see old rules in my 5th edition book or read wheer the fluff was at

Bought the gamers version, psychic cards and templates, because I have a job that lets me. Not seeing the issue with a big book even if i didnt get the bag offer.

*Puts on eyepatch* Arr.

But yeah, it's either that route or wait a few months to get the little one on ebay. I'm a cheap bastard, and i can barely justify buying tanks and transports (but that's mostly because I play orks an I know that I can build my own from scratch that I will like better) let alone an expensive rulebook. I doubt i'll be getting into 6th for a while. I still have to finish my scratch-built super heavy after all.

Ill wait for a box set to come out and then wait for Ebay to start selling the little rule book. Although it looks like my oldest broho is thinking about buying one. The shop we goto sells GW stuff for 20% off, and if the cool guy is working, he usually throws in more shtuff for an even better deal.

I move to china for half a year late August, so will probably either take the time off 40k after the ATC in July, or just pick up the rules by osmosis. When I get back, if I want to stick with the hobby, then its gonna be the small book from the starter set.

G00fySmiley wrote:

Trench-Raider wrote:Not me.
I try to give GW as little of my money as possible. If I don't just go the Piratebay route (less said about that the better) I'll just wait a couple of months and pick up a second hand book on Ebay. Never give GW any money directly if you can help it. I can wait a bit for my copy if need be.

As an aside: 75$? Really? Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to buying extremely expensive large format hardback books. I have a shelf full of Schiffer Military books after all. But those are reference guides that will always hold their value, rather than a game rules set that will be replaced in five or six years and thus be worthless.

TR

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die.. as for big books i'm used to textbooks in college paying hundreds of dollars for some books (my dsm IV TR book in college aloen ran me almost $200, and thats just an example of one, there are pleanty of other medical texts running a few hundred a pop) i think i use it mroe than any of my old textbooks and enjoy it more. the fluff will be somethign to read as well and it'll look good on a shelf once i get a smaller rulebook. from a starter set. and i guess i dont' need some of my old hardback novels once i've read them but doesn't mean i want to get rid of them, i might go back to see old rules in my 5th edition book or read wheer the fluff was at

No if no one gives GW money directly, GW will die. The Hobby will go on as it did for 100+ years already.

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die

That's simply not true.
The hobby you are talking about is the miniature wargaming hobby, which would not die if GW were to fold tommorrow. As for the Warhammer 40k game itself, even the demise of GW as a company would not spell the end. People play OOP and unsuported games all the time, Look around the 'net. There are a suprising number of forums that support AD&D and other non-current editions of Dungeons and Dragons. Given the fairly high popularity of 40k, people would still be playing various editions of the game long after GW's departure from the scene.
Someone would probably come along and buy the 40k IP from the copyright holders in such a case anyway...

TR

...No? I'm pumped for the rumored Dark Angels versus Chaos Marines force in the box, it's going to be the first time ever that I actually play either army in the starter box!

What if there is NO Starter Rule book? Things can change right now. With all the people saying they will not get the BGB GW might just take away the starter book set to increase some sales for the BGB.

Don't be so proud on how you will use Ebay to buy your starter book. Might just not happen.

Well you never know with GW.

Davor wrote:What if there is NO Starter Rule book? Things can change right now. With all the people saying they will not get the BGB GW might just take away the starter book set to increase some sales for the BGB.

Don't be so proud on how you will use Ebay to buy your starter book. Might just not happen.

Well you never know with GW.

There will be a starter rule book.
Come on. Do you REALLY think that GW would pass up an opportunity to put out a new starter box for 6th edition and slap some crazy price like 200$ on it (or whatever it's going to be...) just because some people are saying they will pass on the over-priced hardback? Be honest now...

Also given their well known contempt for the online 40k community, do you also think that some posts on Dakka are going to sway GW in their release schedule in any way?

TR

G00fySmiley wrote:

Trench-Raider wrote:Not me.
I try to give GW as little of my money as possible. If I don't just go the Piratebay route (less said about that the better) I'll just wait a couple of months and pick up a second hand book on Ebay. Never give GW any money directly if you can help it. I can wait a bit for my copy if need be.

As an aside: 75$? Really? Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to buying extremely expensive large format hardback books. I have a shelf full of Schiffer Military books after all. But those are reference guides that will always hold their value, rather than a game rules set that will be replaced in five or six years and thus be worthless.

TR

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die..

No, if nobody gave GW money, GW would change its business model to reflect the reality that its customer base has finally revolted against its soak-'em-every-five-years, change-the-game-because-we-can-even-if-it-doesn't-need-it philosophy. At which point they might even cut their prices. You know, like when demand goes down, so do prices.


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Trench-Raider wrote:

Davor wrote:What if there is NO Starter Rule book? Things can change right now. With all the people saying they will not get the BGB GW might just take away the starter book set to increase some sales for the BGB.

Don't be so proud on how you will use Ebay to buy your starter book. Might just not happen.

Well you never know with GW.

There will be a starter rule book.
Come on. Do you REALLY think that GW would pass up an opportunity to put out a new starter box for 6th edition and slap some crazy price like 200$ on it (or whatever it's going to be...) just because some people are saying they will pass on the over-priced hardback? Be honest now...

Also given their well known contempt for the online 40k community, do you also think that some posts on Dakka are going to sway GW in their release schedule in any way?

TR

The only thing that will sway GW is significantly reduced demand, and as long as there are 9-year-old brats with ADD and daddies with too much money, sheep-like gamers who live to follow the flock, and fanboys hooked on plastic crack, that demand will likely remain high enough to support the current business model.

I still think it's time for a rallying point for dissatisfied GW customers who prefer earlier versions and need some way to arrange games with like-minded players. Maybe a Facebook page, or a new blog or other website (if I can come up with one that works).

Trench-Raider wrote:

if nobody gave gw money directly then the hobby would die

That's simply not true.
The hobby you are talking about is the miniature wargaming hobby, which would not die if GW were to fold tommorrow. As for the Warhammer 40k game itself, even the demise of GW as a company would not spell the end. People play OOP and unsuported games all the time, Look around the 'net. There are a suprising number of forums that support AD&D and other non-current editions of Dungeons and Dragons. Given the fairly high popularity of 40k, people would still be playing various editions of the game long after GW's departure from the scene.
Someone would probably come along and buy the 40k IP from the copyright holders in such a case anyway...

TR

I'm glad someone else beat me to it.

I hate how many people buy into GW's the HHHobby line.

The only thing that will sway GW is significantly reduced demand, and as long as there are 9-year-old brats with ADD and daddies with too much money, sheep-like gamers who live to follow the flock, and fanboys hooked on plastic crack, that demand will likely remain high enough to support the current business model.

Preach it, Brother!
A number of years back, GW was brazen enough to state on their investor relations page that their customer base was "price insensitive". It was an offensive thing to say, but it was largely true. It's also the root of the problem.
I do what i can though. I never, ever, give GW any money directly these days and encourage other to do likewise. Ebay (and the less than legtimate sources for the printed stuff) if your friend!

I still think it's time for a rallying point for dissatisfied GW customers who prefer earlier versions and need some way to arrange games with like-minded players. Maybe a Facebook page, or a new blog or other website (if I can come up with one that works).

I'm not so opimistic that GW's policies can be changed at this point. I'd rather just see them die as a company and let someone with some better business ethics buy the IP. That being said, I've been kicking around the idea of a "GW Book of Grudges" type web site for years. Kind of "Rogue Trader Cult" type site updated for today's enviorment. On it one could catalog all of GW's customer abuse and other shady deals from the 1992-3 "lead scare" and their shenanigans that acompanied the release of 2nd edition 40k to their more recent stunts. A blogger site is certainly a posibility. I never thought of the Facebook thing though. Good call on that one. I may have to revisit this idea.

and...

I hate how many people buy into GW's the HHHobby line.

Indeed.
The "GW hobby" is a myth and a cynical marketing tool.

TR

The only thing I'm going to buy is the the basic 6th ed rule book because it's the only thing I'll need to play 6th ed 40k and didn't mind paying the $72 (10% discount at my FLGS for pre-ordering it) for the book. I have dice, templates and a tape measure already and the rest of the items they're selling I don't really want. I didn't want to wait for the starter kit(s) because a) I want to be able to play ASAP, b) don't want what's inside the starter kit(s) if it is DA vs. Chaos and c) I prefer the larger font that the bigger book will give for ease of reading.

I can't justify paying $90 for a massive hardcover tomb that will be a chore to carry around and that I'll only ever read the first 100 pages of.

What is the typical spread between BBB and starter set?


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I can't justify paying $90 for a massive hardcover tomb that will be a chore to carry around and that I'll only ever read the first 100 pages of.

Well, that and the $90 is just the start of a long string of ever-more expensive codex book rewrites that are the price of the rulebooks for many competitor's games.

All i get is that small books, Do i decided to treat myself and get the big one
and TGF i hears its 2-3 months.