PAX and the Dickwolves

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**Ouze**

The best part about people coming into a thread and saying no one cares is how they feel compelled to pad their post count by saying so.

"Hey guys, stop playing in that mud" said the guy who jumped into it just so he could do so.

And the circle continues turning

MrDwhitey wrote:
That has to be on the Bingo thing.

Well, although I posted my Bingo Thing, I think the real joy in the game is if you make your own. For example, currently there isn't a square for that scammer guy who keeps showing up every other month, and so on.

**BobtheInquisitor**

daedalus wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
But he did literally nothing to stop the bleeding.

Sir, that's incredibly offensive and in poor taste, given that this is a thread already about how evil rape jokes are. You of all the people sensitive to the issue should know that vaginal bleeding is a common side-effect of rape and as a result should have better picked your words, rather than cracking bad puns.

I'm doubleplus offended. Double. Plus.

This post is pretty poor taste.

Purposefully mocking rape survivors and using rape culture to show that rapists are not the only ones to hurt survivors? Stay classy Dakka.

**gunslingerpro**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
daedalus wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
But he did literally nothing to stop the bleeding.

Sir, that's incredibly offensive and in poor taste, given that this is a thread already about how evil rape jokes are. You of all the people sensitive to the issue should know that vaginal bleeding is a common side-effect of rape and as a result should have better picked your words, rather than cracking bad puns.

I'm doubleplus offended. Double. Plus.

This post is pretty poor taste.

Purposefully mocking rape survivors and using rape culture to show that rapists are not the only ones to hurt survivors? Stay classy Dakka.

The irony. Won't anyone think of the irony?

**Bromsy**

I followed all of this when it was new, and ..... yup. Stuff and things. People have opinions and other people think those opinions are wrong! It just reinforces my personal opinion that apathy is the only road to world peace.

**Mr. Burning**

Being raped to sleep by Dickwolves just isn't an issue. A comic strip that doesn't condone rape isn't a problem either.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/23973673

A third of women believe there are varying degrees of rape, according to new figures.

The same proportion also think if a woman does not fight back, then she cannot have experienced rape.

Charity Rape Crisis carried out the research with Reveal Magazine and says the survey also shows many people aren't properly supported through the legal process when it comes to rape.

It wants more funding for ISVAs (Independent Sexual Violence Advisors).

Part of their job is to support victims through the justice system.

Continue reading the main story
I think it's quite disgusting. I don't know how people, especially women, could be so judgemental about it. It is shocking actually

Zoe Priestley
A quarter of the 1,000 women surveyed wrongly thought if someone was drunk it could not be classed as rape, while 60% thought it did not count if a woman does not say no.

Zoe, 23, was raped by her stepfather, who was sentenced to 18 years in prison for the repeated attacks.

She does not agree with the attitudes some of these women expressed.

"I don't believe there's varying levels. It's a horrific crime. To me, rape is rape."

Zoe thinks more needs to be done support people who have been raped.

"I think it's quite disgusting. I don't know how people, especially women, could be so judgemental about it.

"It is shocking actually."

Sixteen per cent of the women who responded said they had been forced to have sex, however over three quarters of them did not report it to police.

Believing myths
Reasons they gave for not speaking up included fear they would not be believed, worry about lack of legal support and doubt over whether the prosecution would be successful.

Yvonne Treynor from Rape Crisis told Newsbeat "[Rape] isn't about sex, its about power and control."

"The general public are believing certain myths.

"There is no such thing as a varying degree of rape. It's going to affect women in exactly the same way.

"Rape is rape. Rape is the most horrendous thing that could ever happen to a woman or man."

Yvonne is part of a campaign calling on the government to provide funding for more independent female advisors to support victims through the legal process.

Latest figures from the Ministry of Justice, The Home Office and ONS show there were an estimated 60,000 to 95,000 incidents of rape on average in the last three years.

Only 15,670 of these were reported to police, of which 2,910 rape cases went to court. This resulted in a total of 1,070 rape prosecutions.

**Kilkrazy**

How many times do people need to be told that the offence is not the dickwolves comic it is the way the artist defended the follow up to the comic (T shirts) at his games show?

I expect a lot of people were offended by the comic, but that is not the point under discussion.

**Mr. Burning**

Like the comic, People made biq big deal over Krahuliks, and PA's retorts (My opinion obviously).

MIke Krahulik could be a dick on Twitter, and was during this controversy, supporters and detractors were dicks as well.

The world kept turning. Rape is still a reprehensible crime.

Dickwolves are still funny

**timetowaste85**

curran12 wrote:
I think part of the whole anger over rape and not as much as killing is that there are instances where killing is justified. We have capital punishment (whether or not you agree with it is irrelevant), self-defense killing, military killing the enemy and so on. All of those justify murder.

There's not such culture for rape. There's never an instance where rape can be justified. There's no such thing as someone saying "well thank goodness he is getting the rape penalty" ya know?

I realize it's not a funny topic, but that last sentence did give me a little chuckle. Rape is bad, mmmkay. I don't think there's a single decent person out there who thinks it's okay. I sure haven't seen anyone on here advocate for it. But PA likes to push the envelope on their comics, it's a known thing. And having seen that comic...wow, it was pretty tame. Sure didn't understand the initial backlash, and the backlash to the response comic...it's two guys whose characters (who are the face of their company) saying how bad it is. They used their public media to express their opinion, because that's who they are. Drawing a dickwolf? Who cares. A t-shirt with a dickwolf on it? Also who cares. No rape was ever shown, and the later pictures/shirts didn't even show or mention rape, just mentioned a fictional monster that in one panel of a single strip was suggested to rape slaves. Are you guys up in arms against tentacle porn/monsters too? Last I checked, 95% of that is rape. All they changed was a fictional creature and didn't show anything, merely suggested it. Time for you guys to turn your high horses into glue.

**Monster Rain**

Am I the only person wondering where the idea of misogyny came into the conversation when the only ostensible victim in the comic strip was male?

**Kilkrazy**

timetowaste85 wrote:
curran12 wrote:
I think part of the whole anger over rape and not as much as killing is that there are instances where killing is justified. We have capital punishment (whether or not you agree with it is irrelevant), self-defense killing, military killing the enemy and so on. All of those justify murder.

There's not such culture for rape. There's never an instance where rape can be justified. There's no such thing as someone saying "well thank goodness he is getting the rape penalty" ya know?

I realize it's not a funny topic, but that last sentence did give me a little chuckle. Rape is bad, mmmkay. I don't think there's a single decent person out there who thinks it's okay.

...

The key point about civilised society is to get the non-decent people who think rape is okay (there are many of them) to change their mind.

**cincydooley**

Monster Rain wrote:
Am I the only person wondering where the idea of misogyny came into the conversation when the only ostensible victim in the comic strip was male?

Nope. I brought it up because Penny Arcade claims to be a "safe bastion" for women in a very make oriented and often misogynistic industry. They could have really set an example to support that claim had they simply offered a response like the one I offered. They did not.

That's all.

**dogma**

cincydooley wrote:

Nope. I brought it up because Penny Arcade claims to be a "safe bastion" for women in a very make oriented and often misogynistic industry. They could have really set an example to support that claim had they simply offered a response like the one I offered. They did not.

The response you offered marginalized male rape victims.

**Cheesecat**

cincydooley wrote:
There's a huge difference between offending someone and making light of a very serious crime that destroys lives.

Have you ever laughed at any joke before? As almost all jokes marginalize someone's or something's tragedy look at black comedy it often makes fun of death, crime, etc, cringe comedy is about getting a laugh out of someone's humiliation, blue comedy brings up sexism, racism and

homophobia, slapstick features people getting hurt physically, insult comedy is about insulting others, etc. Also comedy can be quite complex with more than one meaning and isn't always meant to be taken literally there can be a sarcastic tone, it could be exaggerating something

(hyperbole) for comedic effect or it could be satirical in tone where the joke is more about questioning or criticizing society, just because a performer makes fun of something tragic doesn't mean the performer is unaware or doesn't care about the horribleness of it. The whole fething point

of joke is to make fun of a tragic event in order to better cope with or understand it, laughter helps overcome stress. Also offense is personal it's not up to the performer to know what subjects you are or aren't comfortable with as he/she could be performing for many other people who may

not share your beliefs on what is and isn't offensive. There's certain jokes I have trouble laughing about (like jokes about the mentally and physically disabled) but it's not up to me to tell others what is appropriate (if you want freedom of speech you have to able to deal with the offense). It's

his/her performance no one is forcing you to view it if you don't like it there's plenty of other options for entertainment and the performer has every right to perform whatever he/she want as it's his/her creation not yours (that being said it doesn't make him/her free from consequences). If a

performer is saying something that isn't offensive to anyone it probably isn't worth saying as everyone is already in agreement with that statement (like saying "rape is bad" everyone knows that, it's a safe, boring and not an insightful statement).

**Seaward**

"Misogynist" seems to have supplanted "racist" as the pejorative the internet likes to throw around without basis. I wonder what's next?

My money's on "confederationist."

**Cheesecat**

Seaward wrote:
"Misogynist" seems to have supplanted "racist" as the pejorative the internet likes to throw around without basis. I wonder what's next?

My money's on "confederationist."

To be fair it's not hard to find actual racism and misogyny on the internet, anonymity can sometimes allow people to say much more brutal and/or honest things without the fear of being recognized for what you said.

**dogma**

Seaward wrote:
"Misogynist" seems to have supplanted "racist" as the pejorative the internet likes to throw around without basis. I wonder what's next?

My money's on "confederationist."

Mine is on leeward.

**Kilkrazy**

Keep your "sailingist" views out of this forum.

**Monster Rain**

Seaward wrote:
"Misogynist" seems to have supplanted "racist" as the pejorative the internet likes to throw around without basis. I wonder what's next?

My money's on "confederationist."

I'm not sure what I enjoy more: the reactionary groupthink or the hypocrisy involved in determining what is misogyny and what isn't.

Either way, they are both amusing.

**daedalus**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
daedalus wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
But he did literally nothing to stop the bleeding.

Sir, that's incredibly offensive and in poor taste, given that this is a thread already about how evil rape jokes are. You of all the people sensitive to the issue should know that vaginal bleeding is a common side-effect of rape and as a result should have better picked your words, rather than cracking bad puns.

I'm doubleplus offended. Double. Plus.

This post is pretty poor taste.

Purposefully mocking rape survivors and using rape culture to show that rapists are not the only ones to hurt survivors? Stay classy Dakka.

I'm not mocking them. I'm serious. TOO serious.

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Monster Rain wrote:
Seaward wrote:
"Misogynist" seems to have supplanted "racist" as the pejorative the internet likes to throw around without basis. I wonder what's next?

My money's on "confederationist."

I'm not sure what I enjoy more: the reactionary groupthink or the hypocrisy involved in determining what is misogyny and what isn't.

Either way, they are both amusing.

We've always had labels that have been thrown out in an accusatory nature, generally without basis in what the actual meaning of the word is. Somewhere, "ignorant" became an insult, in spite of the real meaning, to name another. One of my personal favorites is "entitled".

I think that as we're in the very thread where "misogynist" got used to describe people who were balking at outrage over a comic that was talking about fictional animals raping men, it has kind of become today's "pinko du jour". Calling out misogyny is great, but if you point at everything screaming it as loudly as you can, people are quickly going to stop caring.

**Kilkrazy**

Yes but the fact is that misogyny and homophobia is rampant in the teenage US male computer games culture served by Penny Arcade and the final denouement of the Dickwolves "story arc" served arguably to reinforce it.

**Monster Rain**

Where does PAX's perceived responsibility to reprogram their audience come from?

**Breotan**

From the mob of thin-skinned people who have nothing to do with their time but be outraged by stuff they find on the internet.

**cincydooley**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Yes but the fact is that misogyny and homophobia is rampant in the teenage US male computer games culture served by Penny Arcade and the final denouement of the Dickwolves "story arc" served arguably to reinforce it.

Well, at least someone understood my point.

I don't think it's PAs responsibility to "reprogram" their audience. However, I do think if they want to support equality in the video gaming world and pretend PAX is a "female safe haven" within the video game industry, the actions of one of their founders could better fall in that line.

**Forar**

Breotan wrote:
From the mob of thin-skinned people who have nothing to do with their time but be outraged by stuff they find on the internet.

Hardcore.

Clearly, empathy is for the weak.

**Monster Rain**

Empathy for whom?

**feeder**

The dickwolves. They're the real victims in all of this.

**timetowaste85**

Yes, yes they are. Poor dickwolves. They only wanted to play "just the tip" with the male slaves.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Well, it's their fault. Being uncontrollably aroused is what they get for being covered in sexual organs.

Do I get bingo?

**Mr. Burning**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well, it's their fault. Being uncontrollably aroused is what they get for being covered in sexual organs.

Do I get bingo?

The slaves shouldn't have put themselves in a position to be raped to sleep.

**Alpharius**

This thread - it has reached its end.