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The reason I liked them better is cuz they were made by Chaos Squats

Too many people suggesting there are too many factions and we should squat some.

This is a thread about adding.

People who say there are too many factions confuse me. Don't like a faction? Don't buy it. Problem solved.

You know how long we've been waiting for the current sisters dex? For Order traits?

I'll give a hint; I've wanted it since before the turn of the millennium. I take it kinda personally that you want to ruin something I love so that you can "streamline".

Play Grimdark. Play one page rules. Play the pro hammer 5th that gets floated around here all the time. Do whatever. This is a thread for people who want options, not for people who want to take options away from others.

Racerguy180 wrote:
The reason I liked them better is cuz they were made by Chaos Squats

Oh really? That's cool, I didn't know.

PenitentJake wrote:
Too many people suggesting there are too many factions and we should squat some.

This is a thread about adding.

People who say there are too many factions confuse me. Don't like a faction? Don't buy it. Problem solved.

You know how long we've been waiting for the current sisters dex? For Order traits?

I'll give a hint; I've wanted it since before the turn of the millennium. I take it kinda personally that you want to ruin something I love so that you can "streamline".

Play Grimdark. Play one page rules. Play the pro hammer 5th that gets floated around here all the time. Do whatever. This is a thread for people who want options, not for people who want to take options away from others.

I've seen a lot more of "Don't add new factions, finish the current ones," than "Squat factions to add new."

 JNAProductions wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
Too many people suggesting there are too many factions and we should squat some.

This is a thread about adding.

People who say there are too many factions confuse me. Don't like a faction? Don't buy it. Problem solved.

You know how long we've been waiting for the current sisters dex? For Order traits?

I'll give a hint; I've wanted it since before the turn of the millennium. I take it kinda personally that you want to ruin something I love so that you can "streamline".

Play Grimdark. Play one page rules. Play the pro hammer 5th that gets floated around here all the time. Do whatever. This is a thread for people who want options, not for people who want to take options away from others.

I've seen a lot more of "Don't add new factions, finish the current ones," than "Squat factions to add new."

Indeed. I suspect that the reason people suggest squatting or consolidating factions in this thread is because GW does not seem capable of managing the factions it has even now, including a few factions that very desperately need it, so I understand that while fantasizing about what we'd like to have, we'd also consider what we'd be willing to give up. Although, yes, we did have different threads for that, it's a logical consequence of the thought, and there's no need to go full on "Love it or GTFO."

While we're fantasizing purely about adding without consequences, though, I'm just waiting on Emperor's Children, and wouldn't mind seeing the rest of the Traitor Legions getting at least the Supplement treatment.

I know OP said not Chaos, but you shoulda put that in the thread title. :p

Okay, okay. New Xenos faction... Easy. Space Skaven. Which mechanically have to be somewhere in the interstitial ellipse between Admech and Orks.

That's fair.

And even I'm on board with "Don't add new until you fix what we've got."

Corsairs, Space Rats, and Beastmen/Abhumans.

Ok, i would do something really unique.

I'd bring back the slann/old ones as a new army with very few actual models for it, rather they could mind control human ork and eldar forces as their troops since they created those races.

I could see the slann as huge big brained space toads floating on psychic thrones, but to be honest i wouldn't mind seeing them revamped thusly:

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/013/849/875/large/josh-guglielmo-ageoftheatom-com-crawling-eye.jpg?1541370354

The story would be the slann had jut seeded earth with a biuosphere meant to produce a new species, but wanted to let it evolve naturaly instead of sculpting it in detail like they did the krork and the eldar when the necrons attacked with the c'tan and seriously reduced theiur numbers. The survivors created a pocket of real space in the warp protected by their awesome psychic power and pulled the same kind of thing the silent king did with the sleep of aeons. Hide from the galaxy until the necrons returned an wipe them out because at that point the silent king had left the galaxy and they wanted to wait till he returned.

So they hid in their pocket star cluster hidden in the warp and maybe created some new species to pass the time.

65 or so million years go by and humanity evolves, the krork and eldar radically change and degenerate from their heights, the silent king returns and begins waking up the necrons, oh, and a bunch of bugs from another galaxy show up somehow.

Slann return take a good look at the galaxy and decide "Yeah, definitely needs a reboot." as their old creations have proven a disappointment, humanity had some potential maybe but is questionable and these damn bugs are really getting to be obnoxious.

But their numbers are limited to they manage to mind control some of the weaker minded members of their old creations and use them as grunts while the main roles are filled by various stage slann and maybe their newer species. (Maybe they look like the engineers from aliens? A humanoid with traits of human, ork and eldar but superior to each in some ways.)

The high level slann really should be maybe on the same level as the c'tan more or less, with lesser stage ones being really nasty psykers, their new pets being elite and special troops while troops from eldar, human and ork forces are good ol' cannon fodder.

Maybe they can take over some original space marines but one of th things about primaries is they're too different and advanced to be controlled by the slann. So you can use your original space marines as slann slave troops.

So, turanids want to eat everything and leave a lifeless galaxy behind them, necrons want to save the galaxy from the nids so they can dominate it and return to the tie of flesh, the other races pretty much want to go on living and maybe taking the galaxy over the galaxy themselves.

GW would never even think of this as it's a new army that doesn't make you buy a whole ew army, you can use existing troops as troops in it if they're human, ork or eldar.

I would prefer that GW do the basic well before adding more to the brushfire that has become of 40k... what happened to eldar? Imp guard? After GW has the basics done well, then maybe branching out then would make sense. Otherwise it is “ignore the mess over there, but look at the shiny new mess here!”

Yeah I think there's currently space to explore new or untapped stuff in the setting, but there's a greater need to actually get existing races updated and supported properly within the main game.

This is where Kill Team and WHQ could again be used to expand on some of the lesser stuff. I'm not sure an Exodite army would really work in 40k, but I like the idea of an Exodite Kill Team for instance. It requires far less investment and time (which could otherwise be spent updating CWE or IG for instance) but still introduces something new and still leaves the door open for a full Exodite range in the future.

In terms of xenos stuff, I'd like to see an expansion of Tau Auxiliaries - a bit of love for Kroot, Vespids, Tarellians, Gue'Vasa, and so on. Bring back the combined arms army/coalition and edge away from rock em sock em robots. Less a new faction and more something that had existed for a long time and just ignored.

I love seeing so many in favour for Kroot. They're my favourite race in 40k, I'd love to see them getting support and more kits.

If they made a Slann/Old one army could be amazing imo, like maybe a smaller faction survived or went dormant, and is making a comeback, I would really love to see Saurus/skinks on the 40k tabletop, bring some new technology that we havent seen

Xenos Knight equivalent.

I mean, Chaos and Imperium both have entirely Big Boy forces. Why not a Xenos one?

Yes I know many aren’t too fond of Knights, but I wants it all the same.

And it would allow a less numerous species to have an impact in battle. Where even Astartes commit dozens to a battle, this species need only send in 5 dudes in battle armour.

i miss my cannonfodder for chaos.

Xenos knights also exist, mad, they're in the aeldari roster.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Xenos Knight equivalent.

I mean, Chaos and Imperium both have entirely Big Boy forces. Why not a Xenos one?

Yes I know many aren’t too fond of Knights, but I wants it all the same.

And it would allow a less numerous species to have an impact in battle. Where even Astartes commit dozens to a battle, this species need only send in 5 dudes in battle armour.

Wraithknights, Stompas, Heirodules (IIRC - I think Heirophants were the titans)...

Admittedly, someone screwed the Stompa statline, but...

The stompa is no knight.

It's an overpriced plastic DIY warhammer 40k themed garden gnome.

TBH an Ork Stompa Klan could be pretty cool.
I'd like rules for Grot revolutions though. Particularly loads of random armoured vehicles and such.

I'd rather scratch build my own Stompa I reckon. Not a fan of the plastic kit, especially not for the price!
Gorkanauts look pretty cool though.

You could do Grot revolution in game right now - all grot mobs, lots of killa kans and grot artillery!

 Da Boss wrote:

You could do Grot revolution in game right now - all grot mobs, lots of killa kans and grot artillery!

Not really, they only have one HQ who's a unique character and a limited edition model at that.
Unless of course you wanted to do little Grot cybersuits or something as counts-as Orks.

I think they should expand o the tau auxiliary and merc faction, a lot of mini factions would work a lot better if they could draw from a shared book to fill in gaps.
As well as have units that can be used in other factions to a limited point.
Orc pirates working for tau, Eldar and imperial guard with ease. Even something like Vespid could be expanded just slightly, but use the merc units to fill in gaps would be awesome.

Tau don't really accept Mercenaries though, rather they accept other reasons into the Greater Good.
I can't see Orks or Eldar folding in like that.
However expanding auxilliaries would be nice. If each auxilliary race had a HQ, standard unit, and specialist unit, I think that would be a suitable and realistic model to follow.

Squats! (Or call them Demiurg or whatever)

I don't care about using them for current editions of 40k, but would love to see what the modern GW could do with the miniature range in terms of new miniature sculpting and also the massive plastic war machines (really what made the faction stand out so well in Epic, but GW couldn't replicate in 28mm scale due to the limitations at that time).

I would love to see a properly Xenos take on Demiurg rather than the Abhuman Squats. I think there is still a place for the Squat Abhumans, but I would rather see a more visually unique interpretation for the faction if GW were going to introduce it.

I like the idea that they would bring back some of the proper sci fi ideas of high gravity planets and so on that used to be more prevalent in GW stuff, so you could imagine atmospheres of intense pressure and high gravitational fields making them very tough and strong, but perhaps needing to wear pressure suits on lower gravity planets, a bit like deep sea fish (yeah, I know I am repeating myself from my headcanon post...I just want my Blobfish Demiurg!).

But I certainly wouldn't be against the old Abhuman force coming back, I have a great fondness for them from reading the 2e Codex Imperialis. As a kid, my first ever call to an adult by phone was calling a baffled Mail Order Troll to try to order Codex Squats and being very sad when I found out it didn't exist, as the 2e promotional material had suggested it would. I ended up getting a few squat bikers instead from a very sympathetic Troll.

As for an all grot army i think that gorka morka had 'da red gobbo' that was a satire on socialist revolutionaries, so maybe a grot army could be a take on that sort of movement.



Of course while demanding equality and justice they'd brutally oppress snotlings...

Less socialist revolutionaries and more civil rights movements.

 Matt Swain wrote:
Of course while demanding equality and justice they'd brutally oppress snotlings...

Angry twice within 10 days. Who knew that was would possible. But anyways. I would want a subfaction for all the GK brotherhoods. Termintor purfires, Or the Librarian army from the 4th brotherhood or a ghost army of GrandMaster Mordrak. Would be nice to see the rules for all of those.
Maybe ven a Titan Forge army where every model is mounted in nemezis suit.

Karol wrote:

 Matt Swain wrote:
Of course while demanding equality and justice they'd brutally oppress snotlings...

Angry twice within 10 days. Who knew that was would possible. But anyways. I would want a subfaction for all the GK brotherhoods. Termintor purfires, Or the Librarian army from the 4th brotherhood or a ghost army of GrandMaster Mordrak. Would be nice to see the rules for all of those.
Maybe ven a Titan Forge army where every model is mounted in nemezis suit.

I feel like you would need a couple new kits at the very least to entertain the idea of expanding the GK groups. And why are you angry?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Xenos Knight equivalent.

I mean, Chaos and Imperium both have entirely Big Boy forces. Why not a Xenos one?

Yes I know many aren’t too fond of Knights, but I wants it all the same.

And it would allow a less numerous species to have an impact in battle. Where even Astartes commit dozens to a battle, this species need only send in 5 dudes in battle armour.

Orks have the Stompa & Gorkanaut.

Eldar have the Wraithknight.


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 Matt Swain wrote:
As for an all grot army i think that gorka morka had 'da red gobbo' that was a satire on socialist revolutionaries, so maybe a grot army could be a take on that sort of movement.



Of course while demanding equality and justice they'd brutally oppress snotlings...

Looks like Che Grotera.

 Hellebore wrote:

Exodite planets are invaded all the time - biel tan set itself up as galactic exodite protection force because of this perpetual threat.

Also, the Phoenix Rising awakening book had the dragon knights march into the web way to fight alongside their brethren to pay back the protection they'd been afforded.

Hence why I said that they would make a good deal of sense as options in the Craftworld book. Exodites, much like Kroot and the Inquisition, are less "standing army of their own" and more "allied auxiliaries".

And if GW can pull CUSTODES fighting as an army, then nothing else holds water. Not only should they be restricted to planetside, they're only restricted to ONE planet. a planet they were originally sworn to never leave.

How convenient that GW can just wave their hand and the emperor's personal bodyguards can leave the imperial palace, but an exodite king deciding he wants to invade other planets and build an empire is just too much....

Find me where I said I was okay with Custodes as an army. I can wait.

Anyways, Custodes have access to their own ships. And they have the backing of a Primarch.

An Exodite king is, at best, a backwater warlord. If you want to argue that Exodites should be represented in the Craftworlds book? I'll back you 100% on that.

I'm also of the opinion that Planetary Defence Forces should be available as a choice in the Guard book, with 'officers' available as part of an advisory cadre letting Guard units get held back in reserve and artillery positions/defenses as part of what they bring to the table.