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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Chillreaper wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm really excited for this KS as it is a stellar way into current MonPoc, but following this has mostly made me wish I hadn't missed the Mythic Battles 1.5 KS. :-(

Anyone looking to sell theirs?

The pledge manager for MB: Ragnarok is still open (until the end of the year, I think). You can get all the MB: Pantheon stuff in it either instead of or as well as the Ragnarok stuff.

Awesome! Thanks so much for this. I've heard Mythic Battles: Pantheon is like a best in class level competitive game, do we know/think Ragnarok might be of similar quality with Mythic out of the picture?

Sorry, not trying to derail as I am also 100% in on MonPoc!

My only encounter with Monolith only products was the MB: P 1.5 upgrade and the Dionysus addon. They seemed to be maintaining the same quality level as when Mythic were involved.

Back to Monsterpocalypse, I've got JoA and Reichbusters, which were both Mythic only productions and I have no complaints about the material quality. Some people have expressed disappointment with the rules and rulebooks and 1.5 versions of the rulebooks have been released.

Hopefully this shouldn't be an issue with this game, being as it's pretty much based on a game that's been around for a few years.

My big problem at the moment is not getting addon fever, like I usually do with Kickstarters!

 Chillreaper wrote:

My big problem at the moment is not getting addon fever, like I usually do with Kickstarters!

Hard not to. There are single models out of some of those add ons I've wanted that cost as much as the whole thing in resin.

Best in class is perhaps too strong. Many players enjoy its theme, dice resolution mechanic, skill/health relationship, and card activation structure. But it's not for everyone.

 Chillreaper wrote:
Back to Monsterpocalypse, I've got JoA and Reichbusters, which were both Mythic only productions and I have no complaints about the material quality. Some people have expressed disappointment with the rules and rulebooks and 1.5 versions of the rulebooks have been released.

Hopefully this shouldn't be an issue with this game, being as it's pretty much based on a game that's been around for a few years.

My big problem at the moment is not getting addon fever, like I usually do with Kickstarters!

I doubt it will be a problem.
Mythic are doing what they do best: Models.
Privateer contributed what they do best: Rules.
Wonder Twin Powers activate: Form of... a high quality game.

The addons are all solid. This recent addon of martians and mutants doesnt have me worried, since, as already mentioned, the addon is the same price as one monster. So I think Mutants are dumb, but its still a really smokin deal.

YUS! Martians in an Add-On! Just backed. Excited to play this 365 days from now

Leo mentioned Building add on tonight after streams ends of their Co-Op game on monpoc.

Too good to be true? Well he is the big guy at Mythic apparently, so...


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Come get your Buildings!

10 for $30!

Come get em before the kaijus smash them all down!

Have they said whether you can get additional add-ons later on through backer kit/whatever pledge manager they use?

Im pretty sure they confirmed that you could.
I think the only stipulation was the mythic HQ building being free only if you did at least the vet pledge. otherwise, if you choose the dollar minion pledge you get charged $15 if you want that building.

Beyond that, Im afraid you gotta ask them on the KS page. I dont know anything more.

It's a typical KS, add whatever you want in PM.

new SG is the alternative elite models. exactly what i was hoping for

hazefrog wrote:
new SG is the alternative elite models. exactly what i was hoping for

I was hoping they would add options, instead of removing them. The replacement of a grunt for an alt sculpt is pretty short sighted marketing that isnt helping gameplay. Its actually a detraction.

Privateer contributed what they do best: Rules.

Didn't PP basically murder Warmachine with 3rd ed rules?

Cronch wrote:

Privateer contributed what they do best: Rules.

Didn't PP basically murder Warmachine with 3rd ed rules?

Eh.... kind of? The community really actively tore itself apart over them, but honestly I think 3rd is a big improvement. A lot of people just wanted off the competitive treadmill 2nd had become and every tiny grievance that could be found in the edition became a sword worth falling on. I see it more as the consequences of pandering to an established audience and failing to attract new players. The actual quality of the 3rd edition rules is overall an improvement, IMO, but the fanbase had gotten far too toxic and destroyed itself.

Hmmm touche. Point taken.

I dont play warmahordes so thats likely why I made that statement. They were originally at least lauded for their rules and gameplay. I know monpoc was pretty decent even if it felt not as accessible as I would have originally liked for what I expected from a kaiju brawler game.

But IIRC, they have dispersed a lot of their fanbase to the winds with some controversial design choices, or lack thereof when it comes to monpoc v1.

I think fatal blow was as much about model quality as rules. GW opened up such a lead on production quality, and PP had some serious misfires. E.g., in the midst of moving to third edition, PP tried moving the Collosals/Gargantuans into plastic, but the mold quality was horrifically bad. Pair that with bendy PVC infantry and easy-to-chip metal solos and it was just a crap hobby experience compared to the increasingly large, complex, and impressive plastics that GW was cranking out at the same time. Pair that with a slightly toxic WAAC core player base and an owner that clearly wanted to use the companies as a springboard into making movies, and they fell into a pit from which it was hard to escape.

And at the core of it all... the rules are still pretty good, even if I personally prefer the more streamlined, smaller modern games Warmachine inspired these days. It's still one of the top 10 systems I play, if not top 5.

 flaherty wrote:
Pair that with a slightly toxic WAAC core player base and an owner that clearly wanted to use the companies as a springboard into making movies, and they fell into a pit from which it was hard to escape.

Those same WAAC players are sqaurely the fault of PP, by design fiat.

What was that famous ridiculous quote again? Ah yes...

"Play like you've got a pair."

How quaint.

Dug themselves a hole promoting that toxicity.

As a former warmahordes player (Skorne/Protectorate) I still love the lore and often re-read the books...but the miniatures drove me away. Really, really bad PVC and the aforementioned issues with the Colossals...I just quit. I still have about 50 Protectorate and 100+ Skorne painted, but they have been moved to a display shelf instead of my travel cases.

As far as MonPoc, I still love it. I still have all the v1 stuff, and am all in on the KS.

It's weird the upcoming stretch goals aren't announced, when the last one ( 695k ) is already reached ( currently 715k ) Usually you see a few strech goals in the future.

I wish they did faction packs, like full terrasaurs...

Currently you get more like a sample of everything, so you still need to buy some metal and resin stuff from PP if you want 20 units and 2 monsters of the same theme...

These days, Mythic are masters of running KS campaigns.

They have done quite a few of them so far and are aware of Kicktraq. They know that the vast majority of the money pops up in the first and last 48 hours, there's a lot of dull, unmotivated days in-between; this is why most of the campaigns have dropped in duration to a couple of weeks. Everything that they reveal is planned out way ahead of time. The trickle of add-ons? All planned to keep the momentum and excitement to a more steady pace - just wait for the All-in bundle to pop up, that's when you know that they're done.

The stretch goals being dribbled out is so they can judge the pace and modify accordingly. Blasting through the numbers? 35k stretch goals. Crawling along? Drop it back down to 25k. It's all about maintaining the excitement train. If they put up the next three or four goals at once, they lose that flexibility.

 eflix29 wrote:
It's weird the upcoming stretch goals aren't announced, when the last one ( 695k ) is already reached ( currently 715k ) Usually you see a few strech goals in the future.

I wish they did faction packs, like full terrasaurs...

Currently you get more like a sample of everything, so you still need to buy some metal and resin stuff from PP if you want 20 units and 2 monsters of the same theme...

I believe that this is fully by design. What I think is happening is the next marketing phase of Monpoc: A large value game to get into the series, and a grouping of 5-10 2-faction boosters.. Just enough models to get to the table, but nothing competitive. For that, you will need to either purchase multiples of the core/starters, or buy Unit packs/singles from PP.

Frankly, it works. I expect to see the core game at retail for $160, and the 2-faction boosters for $50 or so. Quite a bargain for what you get, but you will still need more units to be competitive. After all, if you want to run a single faction and not just Destroyers, you will definitely need more stuff.

It is a very good strategy, and I hope this will usher in a larger player base for the game. BUT...there needs to be more buildings...

 eflix29 wrote:
It's weird the upcoming stretch goals aren't announced, when the last one ( 695k ) is already reached ( currently 715k ) Usually you see a few strech goals in the future.

The $740K one is the one that's being hinted now.

It would be nice to see what's coming on the horizon. But at the same time, for something like MonPoc where everything that they're releasing is already available in a different format, I don't know that it would make much difference.

just wait for the All-in bundle to pop up, that's when you know that they're done.

There are 6 days left. 4 if you ignore the weekend, since I doubt any new add-ons will be announced until Monday. I suspect that we'll get one more add-on, and then the All-In pack will be announced - possibly in conjunction with another add-on or two (if the second one is a building pack similar to Wreckburg). All of the Wave 1 and Wave 2 factions have had a release in either a core or add-on except for Elemental Champions and Swarm. And one of those has only had one monster re-released, while the other had one of its two re-released monsters as a stretch goal. So they likely won't be in an add-on. That leaves the new v2 factions as future add-on fodder, and I'm not familiar with them or what's available for them (both units and monsters).

 eflix29 wrote:
It's weird the upcoming stretch goals aren't announced, when the last one ( 695k ) is already reached ( currently 715k ) Usually you see a few strech goals in the future.

I wish they did faction packs, like full terrasaurs...

Currently you get more like a sample of everything, so you still need to buy some metal and resin stuff from PP if you want 20 units and 2 monsters of the same theme...

It makes me wonder if the retail release will be better organized than what we see in the ks, with units put in core, then some in faction boxes... its all so confusing. When i get all this, am i going to have to dig through 4 boxes to form one army? Its looking like this is so.

t makes me feel that i hope they ship in bare minimum packagung since it seems likely all of its going in the trash and well be forced to figure out our own storage solutions, as has been true historically for the game.

 Wiz Warrior wrote:

hazefrog wrote:
new SG is the alternative elite models. exactly what i was hoping for

I was hoping they would add options, instead of removing them. The replacement of a grunt for an alt sculpt is pretty short sighted marketing that isnt helping gameplay. Its actually a detraction.

The latest update acknowledges this feedback and the alt sculpts are now in addition to the four original sculpts rather than replacing one of them.

 eflix29 wrote:


Currently you get more like a sample of everything, so you still need to buy some metal and resin stuff from PP if you want 20 units and 2 monsters of the same theme...

I suspect that if all goes according to plan, you'll have one of each monster that's been released when this kickstarter is done. The complication is that some factions - such as the Swarm - only have one monster in v2. You're not going to be able to turn to resin and metal figures to fill out the faction since those figures don't exist. Units are also something of a hodge podge with most of the factions. Some factions have a good array of units available. Others don't. For example, the Wave 2 faction Elemental Champions only has a single unit pack right now, that contains four of one model and one of another. This is what Privateer is offering. And from the look of things, the kickstarter is not going to fill in the models that haven't been rereleased.

While I haven't sat down and gone through the minutiae, it appears that Mythic is aiming to offer everything that Privateer has released to date. So a lot of factions are going to have to rely on allies to fill out their numbers.

There's apparently been an announcement about some new Mesoamerican-themed monsters in January, but I'm guessing that those won't be in the kickstarter unless it somehow hits two million dollars or something similarly incredible.

What was that famous ridiculous quote again? Ah yes...

"Play like you've got a pair."

How quaint.

Dug themselves a hole promoting that toxicity.

The quote tells people that the game is best played with self-confident tactics on the table. Or in other words, it's not for people who like to turtle up. That has nothing to do with toxicity, which is about a lack of sportsmanship. You can intentionally build a weak list, be courteous to your opponent, and be an all-around fun person to play with, and still "play like you've got a pair."

And how many years of backtracking online and and issues of No Quarter did they have to publish in an attempt to right that ship so that others would say what you just said?

Im not ignorant of that history.

And I imagine, most others on this site aren't either.

The quote originally informed people of something much different than that toed line now.

[edit] Regardless, Im pretty happy somebody other than PP is involved with Monpoc now. It seems to finally be getting the attention it deserves, in hopefully, more competent hands.

 Wiz Warrior wrote:
And how many years of backtracking online and and issues of No Quarter did they have to publish in an attempt to right that ship so that others would say what you just said?

I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't read No Quarter, so I can't have been influenced by backtracking. I barely played Warmahordes. But I did know a *lot* of people who played it. It was extremely popular at my FLGS, and back then I was told that we had some of the best players in the region play there. They were also some of the nicest people that you could square off against in a game, if you had the opportunity to do so, and which I did (Warmahordes wasn't the only thing that many of them played).


In any case, this is a topic that has nothing to do with Monsterpocalypse, and that shouldn't have been introduced into the thread to begin with. I *did* play Monsterpocalypse back in the day, and like everyone else who did, I can tell you that the biggest problem with the game was the blind draw aspect of it. I understand why Privateer did it (it had to do with SKUs in big chain stores), but no one liked it, and it made collecting figures a real pain. "Toxic" attitudes by the publisher were not to blame for MonPoc's failure back in the day.

The latest add-on has monsters from four different factions. It's time to start winding things down.

There's also currently no unreached stretch goal listed to unlock, which is unusual. In the past, they've had stretch goals not get updated for a bit after they were unlocked. But I think this is the first time since it was funded that they haven't had any upcoming stretch goals at all. An oversight? Or have they run out of stuff?

The 815 stretch goal is there.

The following Goal is also listed in the email if you backed as part of the updates and is also in the update section with each update.

The 4 faction box was interesting, I wonder how many more of those they'll pop?

Also there's still plenty of units missing for a lot of factions at this point, I'm hoping these alt sculpts aren't taking up space for stuff that should be completing available factions.

 rybackstun wrote:
The 815 stretch goal is there.

I must have caught the page at just the right moment. There was evidently a small time period between when they pulled the 790 stretch goal down, and when the 815 goal went up and the 790 goal was placed in the "unlocked" section.

The following Goal is also listed in the email if you backed as part of the updates and is also in the update section with each update.

The 4 faction box was interesting, I wonder how many more of those they'll pop?

Also there's still plenty of units missing for a lot of factions at this point, I'm hoping these alt sculpts aren't taking up space for stuff that should be completing available factions.

There's not that much missing. There are 48 units listed for sale on the Privateer Press shop, and there are currently 41 (not including the alternate sculpts) on the kickstarter page. That's seven missing, and doesn't include whatever's in the next stretch goal (which looks like two units, but might include another alternate sculpt). Note that "units" in this case means a unit "bundle", since they're ordinarily sold in sets on the Privateer Press website (the kickstarter mimics this), and those sets can contain more than one unit. I count 47 monsters currently in the kickstarter, and 57 on the shop page, plus two in the Privateer starters, which aren't included in the 57. So 59 total. But three of those 59 on the shop page are alternate sculpts, so there are 56 unique monsters. That means that we're missing nine. I'm guessing that we'll have exactly one more add-on before this is done, which will give us four more monsters, and two more units.

So that leaves five more monsters and five more units for stretch goals (including the next unlockable), not counting alternate sculpts. With four days left, that's not bad.