GK rumours - (blurry) Dreadknight pics on pg 19

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**Goddard**

We don't know for sure if Matt Ward is writing it, do we? And even if he is, I don't think it will be that bad.

**Jaon**

40k is going in a horrible direction.

**Brother SRM**

Jaon wrote:40k is going in a horrible direction.

I think it's just Matt Ward that's the problem. Even then, not all his work is that bad - the standard Codex: Space Marines is a solid book without too much jackassery.

**Slackermagee**

To me, the wrong direction is the continual re-invention of the wheel. People played the game in 3rd edition, a lot of them are still playing now. The codices didn't need massive changes, they needed minor changes and model updates. 4th edition wasn't an Alpha Test, it was a beta test for a balance update.

**Brother SRM**

Yes, but new toys = more revenue. If I've been playing Grey Knights for 5 years, why would I want to buy anything new? Putting in Stormravens and Dreadknights and such gives me new stuff to buy, and therefore new revenue for GW.

It's a shame because just a few years ago they were more conservative with what they added to a codex. What did the Eldar codex add? It brought Harlequins back, and added in Autarchs. I don't know Eldar too well, but if I'm correct that's only two units, and one's a rare elite choice and the other is just an HQ. Yes there were resculpts and plastic versions of old metals, but no other new units added.

**nathonicus**

Wow, in addition to showing up and frying a unit with the Neural shredder, the Callidus assassins now gets to do MORE damage on the turn she arrives? Wow.

**shrike**

shealyr wrote:Geez. If the 2++ Warding Stave turns out to be true... I don't care if it does make then 80 pts per model, I will take Paladins with all 2+/2++/FNP with Draigo. That's just... Geez.

FM Ninja 048 wrote:shealyr, You spelt cheese wrong

Dat's wot I woz finkin'! Seriously.

now I'm gonna go trawl through it all and post a summary thread...

**Ascalam**

*sigh*

Yet another OP marine codex. Whatta shocker..

I used to play G-knights. I enjoyed armies with 22 guys and a dread on the field at about 1750 pts.

I guarantee its going to look like a shooting day at Transformers 3 at every tournament when these hit the shelves.

If they were going to OP a codex it really ought to be a Xeno one, just to give these so-called super-humans something worthwhile to fight..

**shrike**

I've probably missed alot, but:

Special Characters:
Lord "Draigo" LR cost.
Grand Master "Mordrack" Storm Raven Cost
Brother Captain Stern
Castellan Crowe

HQ/
Grand Master
Brother Captain
Brotherhood Champion
Librarian
Inquisitor Corteaz
Inquisitor Karamazov
Inquisitor Valeria
Ordo Malleus Inquisitor
Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor
Ordo Xenos Inquisitor

Elites/
Techmarine
Purifier Squad
Venerable Dreadnought
Paladin Squad
Callidus
Eversor
Vindicare
Culexus
Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband

Troops/
Grey Knight Terminator Squad
Special Upgrade Character - Justicar Thawn
Grey Knights Strike Squad (the regular GK's)

Transports:
Rhino
Razorback
Chimera

Fast/
StormRaven

Heavy Support/
Purgation Squad
Dreadnought
Nemesis Dreadknight (MC)
Land Raider (and variants, including redeemer)

Grand Master rumoured to pick D3 units during deployment and giving them a special rule:
Makes them scoring (kinda neat for dread and or elite paladins)
Makes them re roll 1s to wound all game
Makes them have counter attack USR.
Makes them Scout
All these units are affected by the one choice.

Terminators equipped with frag and krack grenades.

No drop pod. But GK strike squads are supposed to be able to take personal teleporters. This makes them jump infantry. And once per game it is rumored to allow them to make a 30" move, just move... not a on table deep strike. they Can shoot when they do this, but not charge.

Wargear that has been listed that rules are unknown:

Psyke-out grenades.
Brotherhood Banner (terminator and paladin squads)

Paladins = 2 wounded terminators (they can have an apothecary in the squad)

Purifiers = Grey Knights that have a lot of anti horde options, they are the ones with the power that will do a wound on every engaged enemy model in cc on 4+.

Grand Master rumoured to pick D3 units during deployment and giving them a special rule:
Makes them scoring (kinda neat for dread and or elite paladins)
Makes them re roll 1s to wound all game
Makes them have counter attack USR.
Makes them Scout
All these units are affected by the one choice.

Terminators equipped with frag and krack grenades.

(On the question of Ordo Xenos and Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors
Yes. they each have different wargear options, full of character if you ask me.

**Jaon**

Shrike that was slightly unneccesary. Maybe PMing kroothawk to add those points would have been more productive.

Although you did it with good intentions, so, thanks I guess

**Mr Hyena**

Liking the no limits on the Henchmen Warband; makes them very easily customisable and can have a pretty good army made out of them. Valeria seems interesting too.

**Soladrin**

So in essence... It's coxed Inquisition, with everything daemonhunters, and only a few Inquisitors for the other ordos.... Good job GW... Good job...

**Jaon**

Valeria seems rather weak actually.

**H.B.M.C.**

All I care about is if there's a model for it.

More Inquisitor Models = Good for me.

Stuff the rules.

**BrookM**

Here's hoping she's got a nice hat or long hair. Rowrrrrr.

**Earthbeard**

Brother SRM wrote:
Jaon wrote:40k is going in a horrible direction.

I think it's just Matt Ward that's the problem. Even then, not all his work is that bad - the standard Codex: Space Marines is a solid book without too much jackassery.

He scares me, he really does, he seems to know what can/can't fit and even able to grasp balance better than some, but he just seems to put these half ass deranged florishes on that don't fit balance, the background or the setting.

I'm a sad bear :(

**shrike**

Earthbeard wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
Jaon wrote:40k is going in a horrible direction.

I think it's just Matt Ward that's the problem. Even then, not all his work is that bad - the standard Codex: Space Marines is a solid book without too much jackassery.

He scares me, he really does, he seems to know what can/can't fit and even able to grasp balance better than some, but he just seems to put these half ass deranged florishes on that don't fit balance, the background or the setting.

I'm a sad bear :(

true. Ward's the main problemo. If kelly did it, it'd be decent. Same with cruddance.
I just think ward's the goto of the codex world, but more believable.

**Fafnir**

The level of rediculousness that it seems that we'll be getting makes me feel bad that my favourite faction is getting an update at all. It's like they're trying to intentionally break the game.

I really hope the codex is balanced. Knowing Ward, that won't be the case, but I can only hope. I love the Grey Knights, I love the Inquisition, and I don't want it ruined by some broken and overpowered rules that make it a crashing bore to play. What's more, I'm hoping desperatley and probably in vain that the fluff won't be ruined. Bug judging from Ward's track record, that's not likely.

**Mr Hyena**

As long as we get one or two more veichles that only Inqusitors can take and a decent amount of fluff, then I'll be happy.

The Inquisitorial Warband should be good enough to make an Inquisition-only army viable.

**Puscifer**

But isn't this how powerful GK should be???

Marines in general have always been uber in the fluff and GK are the epitome of Astartes - the best, the meanest, the last line of defence.

**Mad4Minis**

Jaon wrote:40k is going in a horrible direction.

Is going? IMO its been there for a while. I wont get into my issues with 5th ed, but there are a good number. As for thier minis...hit or miss, but Ill say more hit than miss. The dreadknight is a good example of miss. Most of the DE line is a hit, Id imagine the GKPA & GKT will be as well.

Oh, and that gobo spider is so awesome I may get one just to build and paint it...without the gobos and howdah however.

**Jaon**

Yes and no

We dont need this *remove from play* stuff within 40k. Its becoming a game of cancel this out to cancel this out to cancel this out to remove this from canceling the removal of this....cancellation!

**Just Dave**

Redemption wrote:
ColdSadHungry wrote:Ok but they're definitely different to the current colour scheme - maybe not dark blue but my point still stands.

I can't say I've seen many official Grey Knight vehicles; the only ones I can remember is a lone Grey Knight Dreadnought and just the sides of a GK Land Raider in the current codex, but those seem to be the same blueish grey metallic as the Storm Raven. Have any other pictures?

They all seem to be silver as usual. The blueish tone is only on the one picture and of every other picture of the same models they're silver...

Brother SRM wrote:
Jaon wrote:40k is going in a horrible direction.

I think it's just Matt Ward that's the problem. Even then, not all his work is that bad - the standard Codex: Space Marines is a solid book without too much jackassery.

I don't think it's just Matt Ward personally, but yeah, it does seem to be going a bit downhill...

I do agree with you on the Space Marine Codex (except for Vulkans too OTT) and despite its many flaws, the BA Codex allows a wide variety of builds and personality.

I'm still going to take many of these rumours with a pinch of salt personally, I don't think even GW would allow 2++ for no downside.

Then again, I wonder what the fluff of this Codex will be?

**UltraPrime**

Mr Hyena wrote:As long as we get one or two more veichles that only Inqusitors can take and a decent amount of fluff, then I'll be happy.

The Inquisitorial Warband should be good enough to make an Inquisition-only army viable.

Not if they don't take up a Troops slot, you will still need 2 'normal' choices.

**Mnemoch**

ductvader wrote:What's the deal with the ghost knight character?...I presume the knights vanish after he dies?

Correct. However, as he is W4 and is NOT an IC (treated as an upgrade character), it'll be pretty rare he dies before the squad.

Vhalyar wrote:
Jaon wrote:And I thought Vindicares had always been rumoured to be 0-3 elite slot? or has it changed to 0-1 no slot?

The B&C guy says that they take up a slot and are each 0-1. It's possible that there's some kind of Inquisitor gimmick that he missed, but that seems doubtful.

The info I have treats them as a normal elites choice. I.e. 0-3 and taking a slot.

UltraPrime wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:As long as we get one or two more veichles that only Inqusitors can take and a decent amount of fluff, then I'll be happy.

The Inquisitorial Warband should be good enough to make an Inquisition-only army viable.

Not if they don't take up a Troops slot, you will still need 2 'normal' choices.

My reading of the rule says this is correct. Henchmen do not take an FOC slot. Inq C does not remove that restriction.

I will say that most of the info being posted lately looks the same as the info I have, which I believe to be an early playtest version. I think it very likely that stuff has changed, as some things are simply too good for what they cost relative to other units and wargear. A few things are either showing up from a different source or are made up, namely the effects of wargear.

**Puscifer**

Someone just asked me "Can the new GK rules be used to rep a Thousand Sons Army".

**gr8trthnu1**

So the Dreadknight is Voltron, are they like 5 powersuits, and when a Inquisitors yells assemble they turn into voltron?

**Mr Hyena**

UltraPrime wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:As long as we get one or two more veichles that only Inqusitors can take and a decent amount of fluff, then I'll be happy.

The Inquisitorial Warband should be good enough to make an Inquisition-only army viable.

Not if they don't take up a Troops slot, you will still need 2 'normal' choices.

Wow.

Dammit...thats so crap...Ordo Xenos will be forced to take Grey Knights if theres no basic Inquisitorial troop that takes up a slot. Thats gonna look weird as hell.

**shrike**

Earthbeard wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
Jaon wrote:40k is going in a horrible direction.

I think it's just Matt Ward that's the problem. Even then, not all his work is that bad - the standard Codex: Space Marines is a solid book without too much jackassery.

He scares me, he really does, he seems to know what can/can't fit and even able to grasp balance better than some, but he just seems to put these half ass deranged florishes on that don't fit balance, the background or the setting.

I'm a sad bear :(

Puscifer wrote:But isn't this how powerful GK should be???

Marines in general have always been uber in the fluff and GK are the epitome of Astartes - the best, the meanest, the last line of defence.

there's a fine line between powerful and OP, awesome and ridiculous, and fun and cheesy. BA overstepped that, as did SW. DE was on the spot, as was SM, orks and IG.
ward did a good job on C:SM, but I feel it's gone to his head and he's going the way of the Goto. I just hope that C:GK will be as fun, balanced-ish and all-round-ish as C:SM.
But looking at armoured armoured armoured armour, 2+/4++ FNP 2-wound force-weapon wielding terminators and PAGK being 4 pts more than regular SM, but with +1WS, power weapons, storm bolters and extra rules, I can't see it happening.

**Vitruvian XVII**

Mr Hyena wrote:
UltraPrime wrote:
Mr Hyena wrote:As long as we get one or two more veichles that only Inqusitors can take and a decent amount of fluff, then I'll be happy.

The Inquisitorial Warband should be good enough to make an Inquisition-only army viable.

Not if they don't take up a Troops slot, you will still need 2 'normal' choices.

Wow.

Dammit...thats so crap...Ordo Xenos will be forced to take Grey Knights if theres no basic Inquisitorial troop that takes up a slot. Thats gonna look weird as hell.

Meh, just convert DW marines and use them instead. Not a big deal imo.