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It's going to be a bit annoying since there's no way to fill out the Mincer unit now, would rather have seen it go up 10€

Always fancied a Skaven force, now it looks super affordable. 3 of those Ratkin boxes should be a great foundation.

scarletsquig wrote:
New ambush sets are out, very nicely priced at £35.

https://www.manticgames.com/games/kings-of-war/kings-of-war-ambush/

Savings on them vary a little, the standard seems to be £50 of stuff for £35, but the ratkin and goblin sets are higher with £67.50 worth in the ratkin set and £85 (!) in the goblin set.

I see these as much more broadly useful than the army sets since it's basically buy two regiments, get a 30% discount. 40 minis for £35 RRP is really good and brings Mantic's hard plastics much closer to the pricing on oathmark or wargames atlantic.

Those are a heck of a good deal. $45 for 2-3 regiments and intro rules and army lists. This is the sort of intro product KoW was needing. Also, they seem to be core units and so an enticing deal for exisiting armies that want to bulk up too. I think these deals actually bring the cost of Mantic minis at or below Oathmark or Wargames Atlantic.

I'm still not won over by Mantics style, but this sort of pricing and packaging is going to attract some customers.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's going to be a bit annoying since there's no way to fill out the Mincer unit now, would rather have seen it go up 10€

i have never used a chariot base unit at regiment level or larger and always either got single or troop (hence why I would never get the Ogre MegaArmy Box)
are Regiments really worth it?

though in this case I would use the 2 Mincer also as single models rather than a mob, but the box is also a good base for a Chariot Horde, you can make the Hero on Chariot and if you get the Renedra Barrel set (or print some) build a Blaster

 kodos wrote:

though in this case I would use the 2 Mincer also as single models rather than a mob, but the box is also a good base for a Chariot Horde, you can make the Hero on Chariot and if you get the Renedra Barrel set (or print some) build a Blaster

If the same kit build a chariot they're quite versatile. Could build kings on chariots, mincers or convert a blaster.

Are the Mincers/chariots plastic meant as HIPS or PVC?

The Ratkin one is the only set with a PVC model (I guess because they did not want to add Resin for beginners and there is no other small kit that fits in the points)

And as far as we know everything else are the full HIPS frames (so also Ogre Boomers, Chariots etc are possible), the unis listed are just there to make equal sized lists and help beginners to chose (rather than generic 40 Goblins, like on the army box)

Another thing to report, since this does get mentioned a *lot* on here - Mantic is emailing out £25 webstore vouchers to anyone who backed the Kings of War RPG Kickstarter.

So, they're taking a hit and compensating backers for the project creators going AWOL and not delivering anything.

Check your KS email if you backed it, there should be a discount code email in there somewhere. They now have their own Dungeon Adventures RPG boxes to spend it on, too.

That is pretty cool of them. Good on you Mantic.

scarletsquig wrote:
So, they're taking a hit and compensating backers for the project creators going AWOL and not delivering anything.

They've also promised that when they partner with someone more reliable and do make a KoW related RPG, then they'll send it to backers for the postage fee.

This is one reason I love Mantic.

Good on Mantic!

Indeed, a nice move on their part. Does Mantic sell STLs and digital files to avoid shipping charges? The last time I looked at their site the shipping to the US and worldwide (including the EU) wasn't cheap though obviously they don't have direct control over that.

Mantic sells digital books at the moment, but does have plans to sell STLs sometime next year.

Some sprue pics of the chariots can be found in this review, one thing that's interesting is that the parts to make the goblin mincer are also hard plastic and included with every chariot (even the ogre kits).

https://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2022/12/the-sound-of-thunder.html

Lots of potential to magnetize that kit 7 ways (goblin/orc/ogre/herd/mincer/red goblin blaster/orc fight wagon), I might try to find some suitable boars to go with the ogres and beastmen/herd options.

scarletsquig wrote:
Mantic sells digital books at the moment, but does have plans to sell STLs sometime next year.

Thanks for the info. I think I read elsewhere that the store credit is time gated so it sounds like affected backers of the rpg can only get some free rules. Still, it's a gesture they weren't obligated to make after the failure of a licensee so it's still nice. And at least if they're a UK backer then they can use the credit for actual minis of their choice.

Some sprue pics of the chariots can be found in this review, one thing that's interesting is that the parts to make the goblin mincer are also hard plastic and included with every chariot (even the ogre kits).

https://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2022/12/the-sound-of-thunder.html

Lots of potential to magnetize that kit 7 ways (goblin/orc/ogre/herd/mincer/red goblin blaster/orc fight wagon), I might try to find some suitable boars to go with the ogres and beastmen/herd options.

A geat review of some of the newer plastics. I'm glad someone finally gave the ogres a bathroom break with the new sculpt as it's a definite improvement. The pug creatures pulling the chariots aren't doing the line any favors though.

nice review, and replacing the head of the Mawbeast with a 3D printed Rhino or Boar for Ogres or Ocrs is pretty easy that way and it is also possible to just replace the head

 warboss wrote:
The last time I looked at their site the shipping to the US and worldwide (including the EU) wasn't cheap though obviously they don't have direct control over that.

EU has been hit hardest by Mantics new shipping I would say, it currently cost basically the same to ship something over the Atlantic as it cost to ship it over the English channel.

And on top of that EU is the only region that has no possibility of free shipping

Looks like the chariot kit is very versatile when it comes to mounts, and thus could be used by many fantasy armies/games. I wonder, just like the reviewer, why they were there not as sprues?

Has Mantic redone the plastic goblins?!
I missed that.
The Ambush pics make them look fantastic.
They look like old school GW gobbos, but seem to have a viciousness in the expressions.

How many Mincers is a Troop?

 skrulnik wrote:
Has Mantic redone the plastic goblins?!

Yep! Or a bunch of the line anyway.

How many Mincers is a Troop?

Two! And you can also run a single one as a monster.

Goblins were re-done about 2 years ago, with the plastic set making 3 different units (spears, bows, handweapon)

Mincer are either singles, 2 as Troop or 3 as Regiment
(Chariots in addition can be 4 as Horde and 6 as Legion)

dyndraig wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The last time I looked at their site the shipping to the US and worldwide (including the EU) wasn't cheap though obviously they don't have direct control over that.

EU has been hit hardest by Mantics new shipping I would say, it currently cost basically the same to ship something over the Atlantic as it cost to ship it over the English channel.

And on top of that EU is the only region that has no possibility of free shipping

Are there European dealers? It's been years since I ordered anything direct from Mantic. Generally, I think domestic dealers are the place to go for lower prices and better-or-free shipping costs

 Eilif wrote:

dyndraig wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The last time I looked at their site the shipping to the US and worldwide (including the EU) wasn't cheap though obviously they don't have direct control over that.

EU has been hit hardest by Mantics new shipping I would say, it currently cost basically the same to ship something over the Atlantic as it cost to ship it over the English channel.

And on top of that EU is the only region that has no possibility of free shipping

Are there European dealers? It's been years since I ordered anything direct from Mantic. Generally, I think domestic dealers are the place to go for lower prices and better-or-free shipping costs

I would be willing to bet there are a number of European dealers that don't want to deal with mantic.

there are plenty of retailers by now and some of them also sell/order Mantic Direct products (usually on request and not by default)

main problem is usually that shipping within EU is not cheap either and specially if ordering from Germany as they often have a default 15/20€ shipping no matter what you order
so depending on the country you are, ordering from within the EU or Mantic makes no big difference

Store credits on their website is time gated, yes. Ordering on it is only interesting for UK based customers nowadays.

The chorus here "they didn't need to do that" is nice and all, but reality is they kinda did because they rely a lot on their community for their games (and practices) to survive. Mantic Games related kickstarters don't have a good reputation already because there were a lot of hit and miss in the past (not to speak about the quality of the products delivered), so they can't afford themselves to be painted badly by anyone and since when they actually do a new kickstarter, there's always someone who remembers the past ones in it... And that's a good way too to boost their sales on their website for stats.

There are European dealers, just they're way fewer than before the Brexit because import taxes / postage fees simply kill it. Quality of Mantic Games products isn't that good to justify prices that are very close to GW in the end when you add all the gak you have to pay to get them at home.

It's not a hazard if most of the fanbase is UK based, in the end. It's just reinforced since Brexit, that's all. Besides, I'm not really sure Mantic Games actually care that much about the European market...it was never the biggest for them, in the end.

We have a confirmation of the next Armada faction: Trident Realm.

https://www.manticgames.com/news/what-fantastic-things-are-in-store-for-the-world-of-pannithor/

KoW:

NEW PLASTIC ALERT! As well as the new Ambush sets, two of our Mantic IP armies will be getting new hard plastic kits, new models and Army sets in the summer! Anyone who has seen the new Ogres will appreciate the new standard we have set ourselves and we cant wait to get them into your hands! Both the updated Armies will also see a new Ambush starter set hitting the shelves upon release.

Let the rumours commence!

Plus of course there’s the super exciting launch of the Twilight Kin before Christmas next year. You don’t want to aVOID that! Expect a whole bunch of hype when we have more to show you… but i’ll just leave you with this…

Armada:

We have a bumper year for Armada, with two new fleets (well, perhaps technically more than two!), plus and new book and interactive scenery all spread nicely across the year!

Ronnie has already gone overboard and spilled the beans about the new Trident Realm Fleet coming around March time. This fantastically fishy flotilla will see an incredible array of sea creatures taking to the high seas of Pannithor and causing havoc to unsuspecting boats! I’m going one better than Ronnie, so here is a teaser for one or two of the painted TR ‘boats’.

The amazing Mantic Companion App, which will continue to grow and add new features and content to support our games, will see Armada being added in the early months of the year. So be sure your phone or tablet is waterproof and take it out on deck with you!

“Interactive scenery, you say?” well that’s sure to cause an eruption or two!

Dungeon Saga Origins

YES THAT’S RIGHT!

We are set to revisit the Dungeon Saga adventuring party and like any great franchise, it’s origin story time!
And we are making something for kids, mums and dads, and tabletop newbies everywhere!
Dungeon Saga Origins will have inspiring adventures, cool minis, character progression, multiple settings, solo, co-op and PvP options, fearful monsters, heinous baddies and of course you the brave adventuring party! It is easy to learn and playable straight out of the box. DSO will be the best way to get adventuring with anyone you want to get into tabletop games! Watch this space early 2023 for more information and to see the cool stuff planned for this brilliant game.

I like that new dark elf.

I'm not sure what I was expecting, but that Void Elf art is great. Loads of tasty design flourishes.