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You can fix it with two minutes of effort to hook it up. Took you longer to type that

Dude Paint up a Hirst tile with the AB... problem solved...

@ both- point taken.



I have some time off this weekend as best as I can tell right now. I'll fire up the AB and post results.

Once you hit that trigger, your fears will melt away

@ Dave- I believe you. And I know that soon I'll be -SQUIRREL- UPDATE!



I started this November 19th 2012. I haven't posted it yet because I was trying to post projects 'in order' as I completed them, but I won't be doing that again for quite a while. I have at least 8-10 different projects going right now, all in various stages of completion. This is the next one I want to finish so it's what I'll be focusing on.

This is the original Basilica model I had been using. It was an eBay rescue. I painted it up decent enough for game play but it was bland, basic, and didn't have a base:





Here it is after it was torn down so I could start rebuilding it:



Starting the rebuild w/ pieces from HoB. I use superglue mostly, really try to avoid plastic cement unless absolutely necessary:





Progress is moving right along:





Taking a moment for a short rant about GW models again, this time as a vignette:


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GW model designer #1- Skulls skulls skulls! Skulls are awesome!

GW model designer #2- Yes they are! Skulls! lets put them on... lasguns!

GW model designer #1- And helmets!

GW model designer #2- And canteens!

GW model designer #1- And kneepads!

GW model designer #2- And ... and skulls!

GW model designer #1- YES! Skulls on skulls!

GW model designer #2- Ok, we've put skulls on everything... except...

(designer #1 and #2 synchronically) ON FLOORS!

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Whoever came up w/ the idea of putting skulls on the floors / platforms of the Imperial Sector buildings should be forced to reply personally to every complaint of a model broken / chipped / etc due to falling over because of those stupid knobby skulls. I've been a victim of them more than once. This is how I've been managing that on this project:



Idiots.

Anyway, moving on. Here I've finally opened my Imperial Sector box and cutting out all the Basilica plates:



Skipping ahead a bit (because for some reason I didn't take any pics) here's what I would up doing w/ them all:



For reference and scale, you can see my original Basilica and also a Space Marine in Mk VI armor here:







Primed and ready to start painting:





...and then, I realized how completely ridiculous this was in size and illogical for game play it was, so I (literally) took a hammer to it:



I started the rebuild w/ the floor / base of the Manfactorum project I haven't shared yet:







Yup, another crater. Story behind this one is that the round was a dud but still did considerable damage, and of course since that time the building has taken even more hits as the long war rages on:



View of where the shell passed through the building on it's way to the impact point:



Heavily converted to show damage. Many bits were in need of reinforcement do I used plastic cement and straps of plasticard to make sure they were strong enough to hold together. All straps are under the platform so the model looks cool. Fashion and function!





This is where things become 'current', took these pics tonight after I primed it. Build is done, now it just needs paint and random debris for detail. I'll be using a salt and airbrush method on this one. It's not as huge as the original build but it's still large (see ref pics w/ CSM and Dreadnought below) and completely playable.









I like where this project is going and it's going to be my primary focus until completed. I am still going to finish the Chaos Lord I am working on for the contest, but I assure my #1 interest and desire is in Terrain.

That's it for this one. More coming soon, including airbrush updates.

Outstanding work Skalk... man that's effort. It'll pay off well when your done though.

Looking good Skalk.

Toss me a PM once you know what day works for my road trip up. Remind me to bring my bin O rubble, and the dental stone (so I can give you some)

 Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:

nooooooooooo!! How could you???

HERESY

Great stuff skalk, and it's excellent to see the evolution of the basilica. The hammer was a good choice, methinks.

If you don't want the floor skulls you carve off that survive, save them for me, I've been using those for my brick window arches.

 Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:

GW model designer #1- Skulls skulls skulls! Skulls are awesome!

GW model designer #2- Yes they are! Skulls! lets put them on... lasguns!

GW model designer #1- And helmets!

GW model designer #2- And canteens!

GW model designer #1- And kneepads!

GW model designer #2- And ... and skulls!

GW model designer #1- YES! Skulls on skulls!

GW model designer #2- Ok, we've put skulls on everything... except...

(designer #1 and #2 synchronically) ON FLOORS!

Lol

Latest piece looking good so far. I like the idea of the shell passing through the building, you could maybe add a few intervening pipes etc bent in the direction of the crater to really sell that idea, maybe...

Keep it up.

That is a labor of love, but, seriously, don't smash it again. It looks pretty awesome. I like the size of it and the functionality. Excited to see it develop from here on out.

Last night, I was tempted to smash mine too because it frustrated me so badly!

Ah, model frustration, we have all been there.

@ Gits- Building is my favorite part of any project and always receives the most attention. I don 't enjoy the painting so much as it never feels 'finished' or 'right'. My critical eye goes back to old projects and see things I don't like but were the apex of my skill at the time. The recent Fuel Depot was a great example of that. It was functional and looked ok, but now it's a mini-diorama. I would enjoy doing that to all my previous projects, but where does it stop? Eventually I'd loop back around and start the process all over again. I'm going to leave what is done 'as is' unless it is a completely obvious need (like what the Fuel Depot was before the rebuild).

@ Galorn- PM sent

@ Meade-

How could you???

It's easy! I just take my razor saw and zip right through them! All kidding aside, if you ever have a 2nd Ed (meaning metal) Havoc w/ an Autocannon fall of the 4th level platform and break into 4 pieces because of 'wobbly model syndrome' you'll understand my reasoning better.

@ inmygravenimage- The hammer was the best thing I could have done. It changed so many things for the better. I'm looking forward to finishing this one, it's going to look great on the table.

@ Dave- PM your address (for the 3rd of 4th time... ) and I'll send you whatever I have that came out decent.

@ Dr H- I didn't show a pic of the completed 'impact side' of the model. I'll do that soon and let ,e know what you think.

@ Moltar- Believe it or not, this time it wasn't a flash of modeling rage RRAAGGHHHH SKALK SMASH!!!! I took a long and discerning look at what I had built and decided that I could get more use out of the model and stay more true to the overall intent of the board if I downsized it by appx 1/2 half and use the pieces in a more intentional fashion. To that end, I dismantled the model instead of smash, even though I did wind up resorting to a hammer. Look at the clean lines. Also, the piece left over is completely intact and ready to be used in a different project.



I really enjoy this project and I'm looking forward to completing the 40K Imperial Sector portion so that I may move on to the next phase, which is likely going to be the Pegasus Hobbies buildings.

@ Dave- Been there, done that, and was scolded for it.

@ shas- Yup, we have. Somehow we all manage to keep going and make some great stuff though.



As has happened dozens of times on this thread I have once again found an error and need to address it. The build is in fact NOT done. Ugh.



Flat edges do not belong on my ruined models. Thinking back I'm remembering how this happened- I am out of ruined walkway bitz and need to get some more. HoB here I come. Later.

I've already spoken to the people in my life that would be directly impacted by an idea I had and the unanimous decision was green light GO so I'm going to pull an Iron Man modeling weekend w/ hopes of completing the Basilica. I do have to take some time out for a few things but overall I'm going to crank on this until I start nodding off at my workbench. I'll be investing in a few 5 Hour Energies and drinking quite a few coffees. I expect to start sometime after 9-10pm tonight and go from there. I'll be using my regular rattlecan for the rust base / salting but I'm going to use airbrush to lay down the primary steel base. I'll skip detail work w/ it though. May as well jump straight into the deep end wearing heavy boots without a life jacket. I can't 'break' it per se, and I have some awesome instructions from an old airbrush veteran. I'll be fine.

I need to pick up few more supplies before the next project starts, specifically another sheet of hardboard for the base of each building. I'm going to try the Pegasus Hobbies tiles for the walkways on the next building I put together. I have a lot of them so I want to try something new just to see how it works out.

I'll be back with a LOT more, and soon.

Cool, will do.
It's a good thing you don't use plastic cement when you start a building with the number of times you end up pulling it apart

But seriously it good to see this kind of modelling going on in the open as (take it from a scientist) experimenting is good

It's a good idea to use the airbrush for undercoating/basecoating first, as it'll let you get used to handling it and will give you confidence with it, detail work can come later.

Watching with interest.

Dude!..Pulling an all-night (or all-weekend) hobby binge is fething cool!! -Just make sure you give yourself plenty of rest before going back to work...I was worthless as tits on a boar all this week @ work- My binge last weekend probably directly related to my panic or BP or whatever it was last night. Rock on brother!

IT
HAS
BEGUN!






@ Dave & Dr H - back later

HAHA Enjoy my freind!

GMTA!

btw...make a damn mess will ya? A clean bench is a sign of a sick mind
p.s. just save them in a baggie or something and send them along with the next inevitable trade

@ Dr H- I don't use plastic cement very often. I change my mind so frequently (as you've seen already) that I barely keep up with myself. A great idea today is horrible tomorrow. I tend to rip things up frequently, but in the end the result is always superior to the initial idea.

I have a lot of respect for scientific minds. A long time ago I wanted to become a Geologist specializing in Geochronology but my family was a bunch of working class white trash redneck felon losers who thought getting a job driving a truck for the local concrete company was the apex of success in life and didn't support (or even have a cursory understanding of) my aspirations. After an extended lack of assistance / support and a series of poor decisions I wound up taking a different path in life. The field still fascinates me and I enjoy it as a layman, and knowing that my current employment (IT / Support) gains no respect from my family at all is totally worth it.

@ Dave- Man I cracked up at that. I operate on 4-6 hrs of sleep on average anyway, my BP has been raging and I'm using my powers for 'good'.

@ Dave again- WHOOOO!!! I've switched up to vodka though, more alcohol w/ less consumed volume. But taking a pic of a mason jar full of purple fluid doesn't convey the same msg as a beer label. Know that I'm feeling decent and I'm amped up to keep going for many hrs. And man, you had better believe the house is shaking w/ Metal. If someone got shot in the other room I wouldn't know it unless it was between songs. Bolt Thrower and Cannibal Corpse (and Nile and Obituary and Six Feet Under and Gorefest and Malevolent Creation and Bloodsoaked and Hypocrisy and Entombed and Kataklysm and dozens more) are shaking the house off the foundation. Tonight is 100% PURE DEATH METAL AND GRIMDARK MODELING!!! RRRAAAGGHHHH!!!!!

(hard to believe I'm 45 sometimes, isn't it? Ha! And no, I'm not messing up my work space. I lose / break things when it's a mess, and I have PTSD from the way it used to be. Never again.)



Ok, quick update while stuff is drying. First up is a pic for Moltar. This it the remaining 1/2 of the huge Basilica I took apart. I didn't smash it.



On to the project. Took care of the flat edges as much as I could. Had to open / steal from my Sanctum but it's cool, I'll replace those bits before I get cranking on that piece. Also, 5 Internet points for anyone that identifies the model I've chosen to represent scale tonight. Hint- it's nothing GW did.



@ Dr H again- here's a pic of the 'impact' fron of the building. I know there's too much space but I'm working w/ limited resources and the idea is that it didn't explode, it just smashed though and there will be debris strewn on the floor / exterior of the building later to show the collapsed walls.



Rust undercoat. I was thinking about saying I was stopping here but I didn't want people to think i was serious. Because I kinda could have been.









While I was waiting fore that to dry, I started putting this together...





I'm going to experiment w/ the thinner mix. I don't expect awesome but bottom line is I can't 'ruin' anything so I'm looking at this as a crash course in airbrush awesomeness.

And the reason I'm posting right now- time to salt!



Before I sprayed I decided to do a salt comparison / test to see what I liked best:



I decided I liked it all and mixed it together. It climped in a few places more than i intended but it was applied by hand. I need to find a shaker that allows more even application.









I'm off to get back to work! I have a buddy coming over for a while but I'm going to run his ass out of here and get back to work ASAP.

I'll be back!!!

Looking very promising so far...

oh skalk... do you realize that you are the one guy that makes me flich and then a second after that i drop my jaw?

that hammering on that huge building sure made me almost lose my lunch... but then i saw where you are heading... all back in good humors...

one question tho... the salt... i understand and i like how you mix different grades together to get a nice random effect... and although sugar has a nice grain size too... isn´t there the odd possibility to mess it up because to sweet glueing everything? just asking... if you get away with it, then this is highly educational... as always^^

I can see the scientific mind at work in what you do.

The front of the building looks good so far. It certainly looks more like something has passed (read smashed) through the wall rather than exploded and the combination of bits and pieces strewn between that and the crater and a pile of rubble at the base of the hole should work.
My idea, to add to that, was that if you were to add some floor support beams or underfloor pipes that would have been there before the hole and are still attached to the rest of the standing building, then have them bent in towards the crater as this will give a greater impression that something has punched through the wall. But it's only an idea, will looks fine as is.

As for the salt, I think the clumping of the salt mix is better than an even spread as you want it to appear random. Rust doesn't occur nice an evenly. So what you have should be good.

If the sugar does give you issues as Vik says, you could always try to wash it away with water, it'll dissolve but your paint and glue and plastic won't. May even give a nice affect...

well... i saw a thread here where they masked and weathered with marmite... just the same methode really... let it dry...then hit it with paint... then rinse off...

With Marmite... If it works it works I suppose.

LOL...

Wow...I had to google Marmite...WTF..more weird British food?

It looks great so far Skalk. Glad you're gonna spray the color over top with the airbrush, trust me..with a single color, you'll most likely abandon rattle cans for good

Sugar is soluable and will dissolve in the water/thinner and mix..probably not a good idea. Salt will dissolve too, but recrystalize once the water evaporates.

I know EXACTLY what you mean about family not even having a cursory understanding of what you do. As a result of that and other things, I really don't give much of my valuable time for things like visiting or giving a gak about my family either

Oh yeah, I forgot that nearly everyone else uses water based paint.

If you're using only a thin layer of paint it may not dissolve that much, but I dunno, we'll have to wait and see what happens. Good luck

"Tonight is 100% PURE DEATH METAL AND GRIMDARK MODELING!!! RRRAAAGGHHHH!!!!!"

Remember when GW wanted these things to go hand in hand? When we had metal bands advertising their albums in our mostly black and white White Dwarfs? I'm old enough that I can't separate 40k from metal. I miss old school Slaanesh Noise Marines with mohawks and guitars.

errr... excuse my derailed train of thought....

On topic, the basilica is looking nice. I'm curious to see what color you apply over the salt and rust effect and eagerly anticipate a meaty update.

I still listen to Bolt Thrower when I do "Serious Warhammer 40K". Also, I was in your fine city over Christmas holidays, Moltar.