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The more tactics cards I see the closer to 8th edition 40k I think the base rules will be.

While I would prefer official and tested rules for more options, if it ends up being so close to 40k that porting in anything I want is close to effortless, then I'm totally down for that.

Obscuring looks like it might impact the to-hit roll rather than the save roll, but that would only effect a few units that get better saves in cover in 40k.

I'm down for customisation, but the one that make sense. Like mix and match between taser goat/Power sword and Stub carbine/ flechette pistol. Not go all-out Frankenstein-monster on unit. I think people was mistaken W40k : Kill team with Blanchitsu : Kill team.

Chopstick wrote:
I'm down for customisation, but the one that make sense. Like mix and match between taser goat/Power sword and Stub carbine/ flechette pistol. Not go all-out Frankenstein-monster on unit. I think people was mistaken W40k : Kill team with Blanchitsu : Kill team.

I want the latter.

 Crimson wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I'm down for customisation, but the one that make sense. Like mix and match between taser goat/Power sword and Stub carbine/ flechette pistol. Not go all-out Frankenstein-monster on unit. I think people was mistaken W40k : Kill team with Blanchitsu : Kill team.

I want the latter.

Do you really want to face down Termagants crewing Rupture Cannons, or Guardsman with a Battlecannon turret?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I'm down for customisation, but the one that make sense. Like mix and match between taser goat/Power sword and Stub carbine/ flechette pistol. Not go all-out Frankenstein-monster on unit. I think people was mistaken W40k : Kill team with Blanchitsu : Kill team.

I want the latter.

Do you really want to face down Termagants crewing Rupture Cannons, or Guardsman with a Battlecannon turret?

I want to see the conversion!

alphaecho wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I'm down for customisation, but the one that make sense. Like mix and match between taser goat/Power sword and Stub carbine/ flechette pistol. Not go all-out Frankenstein-monster on unit. I think people was mistaken W40k : Kill team with Blanchitsu : Kill team.

I want the latter.

Do you really want to face down Termagants crewing Rupture Cannons, or Guardsman with a Battlecannon turret?

I want to see the conversion!

Well, after typing it out I have to admit I’m coming around to the idea...

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I'm down for customisation, but the one that make sense. Like mix and match between taser goat/Power sword and Stub carbine/ flechette pistol. Not go all-out Frankenstein-monster on unit. I think people was mistaken W40k : Kill team with Blanchitsu : Kill team.

I want the latter.

Do you really want to face down Termagants crewing Rupture Cannons, or Guardsman with a Battlecannon turret?

Has anyone suggested such? Don't be absurd. We are talking about stuff like a guardsman dualwielding aoutopistols or a Skitarii Ranger with a stubcarbine. Basically cool stuff you can kitbash from infantry kits.

Doesn't the existence of the Genestealer Cultist gunslinger hint those sort of really customisable team member rules are coming?

alphaecho wrote:


Doesn't the existence of the Genestealer Cultist gunslinger hint those sort of really customisable team member rules are coming?

No, it hints at a new GSC release.

 Crimson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I'm down for customisation, but the one that make sense. Like mix and match between taser goat/Power sword and Stub carbine/ flechette pistol. Not go all-out Frankenstein-monster on unit. I think people was mistaken W40k : Kill team with Blanchitsu : Kill team.

I want the latter.

Do you really want to face down Termagants crewing Rupture Cannons, or Guardsman with a Battlecannon turret?

Has anyone suggested such? Don't be absurd. We are talking about stuff like a guardsman dualwielding aoutopistols or a Skitarii Ranger with a stubcarbine. Basically cool stuff you can kitbash from infantry kits.

I’m not sure Genestealers with Boneswords would be much better, although it’d certainly be entertaining on my end.

 Crimson wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I'm down for customisation, but the one that make sense. Like mix and match between taser goat/Power sword and Stub carbine/ flechette pistol. Not go all-out Frankenstein-monster on unit. I think people was mistaken W40k : Kill team with Blanchitsu : Kill team.

I want the latter.

Absolutely. Me too. I want a game that gives me a framework for creating balanced rules for whatever I can dream up and convert. I don’t think Kill Team is going to be that game.

Has anyone seen any written evidence that they mean customizing modelling wise?
After all if this is supposed to be a gateway to full 40k you would want your KT to be reasonably 40k compliant.when you "transfer". I have a feeling that customizing in KT will be on a data sheet only...

X078 wrote:
Has anyone seen any written evidence that they mean customizing modelling wise?
After all if this is supposed to be a gateway to full 40k you would want your KT to be reasonably 40k compliant.when you "transfer". I have a feeling that customizing in KT will be on a data sheet only...

I suspect it will only be the usual options for any given data sheet. What's confusing is that in their write-ups they seem to be hinting at mixed-model KTs, but all of the images released-images created to advertise the game- show KTs composed of single data sheets only.

X078 wrote:
Has anyone seen any written evidence that they mean customizing modelling wise?
After all if this is supposed to be a gateway to full 40k you would want your KT to be reasonably 40k compliant.when you "transfer". I have a feeling that customizing in KT will be on a data sheet only...

Nobody know, but your best guess is that it's should be similar to how you build a SW:A kill team. So dual pistol gunslinger should be an option for your average dude.(if your kill team even had one), or maybe you want 2 taser goat on your Skitarii Ranger, that is also a valid build. Don't expect crazy invention like Necron deathmark wielding sword and shield, Or some like GK also have restriction on how you can build them, so no dual wield wrist storm-bolter, no dual wield nemesis force sword for them.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/ShadowWar/SWA_Killteams_ENG.pdf

Blastaar wrote:

X078 wrote:
Has anyone seen any written evidence that they mean customizing modelling wise?
After all if this is supposed to be a gateway to full 40k you would want your KT to be reasonably 40k compliant.when you "transfer". I have a feeling that customizing in KT will be on a data sheet only...

I suspect it will only be the usual options for any given data sheet. What's confusing is that in their write-ups they seem to be hinting at mixed-model KTs, but all of the images released-images created to advertise the game- show KTs composed of single data sheets only.

Watch the teaser again. You got plague marines and poxwalkers, SW marines and a cav, Tau strike and breacher teams, etc...

Actually, come to think of it, Vanguard and Rangers are two different datasheets and they're right there in the starter box.

It's almost like GW hasn't said there will be 1 to 6 Datasheets per Kill Team and then provided two samples with 4 and 5 data sheets in them

 Crimson wrote:

W1ntermute wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
That preview seems to confirm what I feared: that you just have the options available to the squads in 40K. No fun things like Infiltrators with arquebuses allowed. Boring.

No model. No rule.

You shouldn't be surprised.

First picture in Community's post show a guy with arquebus, so I would say it will be possible. We will know soon.

This was about mixing bits between the kits, e.g. Ranger weapons for Sicarans.

Is this really a legit complaint from you? Sniping is the job of Rangers, not Infiltrators (who have a much different job). I'm not expecting PA Marines to get Shotguns and Sniper Rifles because (guess what!) that's the job of Scouts.

I'm sorry but it really is just looking for something to complain about for the sake of doing it.


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Chopstick wrote:
I'm down for customisation, but the one that make sense. Like mix and match between taser goat/Power sword and Stub carbine/ flechette pistol. Not go all-out Frankenstein-monster on unit. I think people was mistaken W40k : Kill team with Blanchitsu : Kill team.

This guy gets it.

I'm not expecting PA Marines to get Shotguns and Sniper Rifles because (guess what!) that's the job of Scouts.

Marines are trained to use all weapons in the armoury and use whatever is needed for the mission

Chapters such as the Raven Guard even have specalist Snipers - just becuase GW can;t be bothered to make models or rules for them doesn;t mean that this should not be represented in a skirmish game such as this.

It should be more akin to Necromunda that you equip each Marine, Veteran Guardsman, Trynaid Bio-form, Skitari, Sister, Wych, Kabalite etc for the game as you wish.

Sadly this appears to be just a re-skin of Shadowars :(

 Mr Morden wrote:

I'm not expecting PA Marines to get Shotguns and Sniper Rifles because (guess what!) that's the job of Scouts.

Marines are trained to use all weapons in the armoury and use whatever is needed for the mission

Chapters such as the Raven Guard even have specalist Snipers - just becuase GW can;t be bothered to make models or rules for them doesn;t mean that this should not be represented in a skirmish game such as this.

It should be more akin to Necromunda that you equip each Marine, Veteran Guardsman, Trynaid Bio-form, Skitari, Sister, Wych, Kabalite etc for the game as you wish.

Sadly this appears to be just a re-skin of Shadowars :(

Then give your Scout the appropriate skills. Simple as that.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Is this really a legit complaint from you? Sniping is the job of Rangers, not Infiltrators (who have a much different job). I'm not expecting PA Marines to get Shotguns and Sniper Rifles because (guess what!) that's the job of Scouts.

I'm sorry but it really is just looking for something to complain about for the sake of doing it.

You not being interested in something that other people would like does not make it complaining just for the sake of it.

Being able to build non - standard models is precisely what would make Kill Team interesting. You're welcome to disagree, but please at least do people the courtesy of accepting that different people like different things.




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Also, I totally want to see 'taser goats' as an option, now...

 Mr Morden wrote:

I'm not expecting PA Marines to get Shotguns and Sniper Rifles because (guess what!) that's the job of Scouts.

Marines are trained to use all weapons in the armoury and use whatever is needed for the mission

Chapters such as the Raven Guard even have specalist Snipers - just becuase GW can;t be bothered to make models or rules for them doesn;t mean that this should not be represented in a skirmish game such as this.

It should be more akin to Necromunda that you equip each Marine, Veteran Guardsman, Trynaid Bio-form, Skitari, Sister, Wych, Kabalite etc for the game as you wish. ,

Yes, this.

 insaniak wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Is this really a legit complaint from you? Sniping is the job of Rangers, not Infiltrators (who have a much different job). I'm not expecting PA Marines to get Shotguns and Sniper Rifles because (guess what!) that's the job of Scouts.

I'm sorry but it really is just looking for something to complain about for the sake of doing it.

You not being interested in something that other people would like does not make it complaining just for the sake of it.

Being able to build non - standard models is precisely what would make Kill Team interesting. You're welcome to disagree, but please at least do people the courtesy of accepting that different people like different things.




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Also, I totally want to see 'taser goats' as an option, now...

It also creates a clusterfeth of rules and is much harder to balance. Nothing is stopping you from building that Infiltrator with a Arquebus, but it makes no sense lore wise and doesnt make sense rules wise. That's. Not. Their. Job.

Oh my. People are becoming like me now and start complaining before we even find out how it works. I have changed and have a wait and see approach now.

I guess people just want to be like how I was in the past.

That said how is this like Shadow Wars Armageddon? If people are going to complain at least give examples as to why instead of saying "it's just like SW:A" without giving as to why.

Makes no sense lore-wise?

Have you seriously never read a story, or seen a movie, where a trooper scavenges the nearest available weapon on the battlefield, or where a trooper or unit is issued with non - standard weapons for a specific mission, or where a unit is made up of specialists who eschew normal arming conventions in favour of their preferred kit?

It's something that isn't represented in the current 40k game, because it's out of the scope of that game... But it makes perfect sense, lore-wise, and is exactly the sort of thing that Kill Team is suited to.

Besides, an Infiltrator would make an awesome close quarter ambusher type sharpshooter. 360° vision, mindscrambling the victim and survivors while redeploying and bionics to go for that leet no-scope kill with a high powered rifle tearing through armour and bodyguards to hit the soft ans squishy bits

 Mr Morden wrote:

Sadly this appears to be just a re-skin of Shadowars :(

Considering Shadow Wars was a reskin of Kill Team, I can't say I'm super surprised it would come back around again.

What we (I) need from this is a competitive and deep skirmish game with tight rules, not a throw-in game for 40k. GW has had, for a long time now, an opportunity to make a game that can be taken seriously, but is easy to get into. They have the models, factions and fluff, which many people seem to like. What is left is a platform for a GAME where player decision and strategy affects the end result considerably more than list or dice.

I know many people want their narrative, fun, fast enjoyment etc, but we already have a ton of options for that, including previous products from GW. What we don't have is an actual game from the biggest miniature game -company in the world.

Doesn't the Rogue Trader stuff we've seen show them fighting demons? I assume that means that demons are coming in a later expansion.

Also, the genestealer cult article outright approves using Necromunda gangs for genestealers. While some of the missing factions are annoying, they can be covered pretty well by proxying.

 Valander wrote:
Dammit. Still feels weird to me to be looking forward to more GW stuff after dumping them 20 years ago. But they have been on a roll with Rountree at the head, I have to admit.

Yeah, I'll pick this up.

Yeah dude, they aren’t the same ole GW. Come on back! They’re making up for it.


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Ok, before I wade through 35 pages... does anyone know if individual character cards will be used like Necromunda? Will this be a military skirmish game? I mean main factions of 40K vs the gang skirmish game. Necro-40K...

 Yodhrin wrote:

The single, sole, solitary appeal of a GW-produced 40K set skirmish game(for people who want variety and customisation) is that it's "official" and "supported", meaning no feet-dragging from the folk who need stuff spoonfed to them and no expenditure of effort convincing people to give it a try.
If the GW-produced game doesn't allow you a solid range of options without having to houserule it, it ceases to have any point(for people who want variety and customisation).
If you're part of the target market for KT, great, wonderful, have at it, enjoy, but merely expressing disappointment that those of us who evidently aren't part of it are not is not "complaining" or "entitlement" or whatever buzzwordy nonsense is the go-to this week.

 insaniak wrote:

It seems odd that GW wouldn't cram as much customization as possible into a game like this, but who knows, maybe it will come in an expanded campaign book later.

Please allow another perspective: I can see them allowing the mass-customisation for Narrative, or perhaps Open play, but given that:

 insaniak wrote:

A lot of gamers don't have the luxury of playing with friends. When your gaming is pick up games in clubs or stores, or tournaments, house rules are usually not an option.

Allowing complete customisation really throws up a risk of that one cool unit or weapon that is fine as a one-off in games being spammed (See: 7 Flyrants), or faction soup (See: Messed up gak that was OP in tournaments in the months following 40k release and before they were FAQed).

I don't know, but it could well be that they're being really careful and somewhat conservative to limit the opportunity for WAAC players doing the over-competitive 40k list-building thing from the go. While I don't game in-store with strangers anymore, I can't see anything more off-putting for a veteran like myself, let alone a new player than running up against someone being a WAAC TFG in a store when you're new to a system, and keen for a fun, thematic game.

While I think that Insaniak, or even Yodhrin - who I disagree with here frequently) would be fun opponents and not be that WAAC donkey-cave, because you're coming from a similar place in terms of the background and lore, the chance of running into Little Timmy or whatever we're calling that WAAC (trust me, a lot of them are as old as you or I - especially these days in 2018!) are too high to risk the game on at this early stage. I'd hope that they roll out more customisability over time, and even include a "here it all is - go nuts" (OPEN PLAY ONLY - NOT FOR COMPETITIVE PLAY) option down the line, but then I don't see it, since at that point we're talking about gak that you or I could just houserule from Day1.