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 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Several months? Is it really worth buying if you might have to wait several months to get it? Especially since you won't really know when you order whether you'll get one on release or have to wait several months for it.

I very much imagine that the several months thing is a result of potential logistical issues, if your in a place a long way from Nottingham or wherever the closest factory is, it might well take that long for stuff to be literally shipped around the world to wherever you are, plus lead times in getting the factory tooled to make new boxes of KT2 instead of some other product, etc etc. So, they promise they'll get you one, but it might have to travel to bit to get to you if the pre shipped supplies to the local staging warehouse runs out

...yeah, I was not that interested to begin with, so this will be a hard pass.

https://www.gamekastle.com/online/index.php?&m=list&t=pre&filters=v:155,&sort=new

Warhammer 40K: Kill Team Octarius Price: $199.00

Kill Team: Killzone Essentials Price: $35.00
Warhammer 40K: Kill Team Core Book (2021) Price: $50.00
WH40K: Kill Team TAC OPS Cards Price: $18.00

WH40K: Kill Team Compendium (2021) Price: $50.00

WH40K: Kill Team Adeptus Astartes Dice Set Price: $35.00
WH40K: Kill Team Chaotica Dice Set Price: $35.00
WH40K: Kill Team Ork Kommandos Dice Set Price: $35.00
WH40K: Kill Team Death Korps of Krieg Dice Set Price: $35.00

 privateer4hire wrote:

You’ll be happy to know the essentials package (tokens and gauges and so forth) add another approximate $34 on top of the books. Oh and possibly the cards are required and decks of most cards from them have been in the $15 neighborhood. So, around $150 to just update to the new edition.

That effectively makes the launch box terrain free and each kill team only $25 each. It’s like 2002 all over again with $25 squad boxes! Or maybe not

Warhammer Community wrote:Also available both separately to the main Kill Team: Octarius box are these handy Kill Team: Tac Ops Cards. You get two identical decks of 27 cards, one for each player, which cover all 24 of the secondary objectives listed in the Core Book, as well as three cards you can use to hide your choices.

All 24 of the secondary objectives found in the Tac Ops Cards are in the Core Book.

So only $135 to play rather than $153 if you use the book resource versus cards.

Hopefully the careless developer who left those card-related information in the books was given the sack. That’s $18 just lying on the table.

ScottManDeath wrote:
https://www.gamekastle.com/online/index.php?&m=list&t=pre&filters=v:155,&sort=new

Warhammer 40K: Kill Team Octarius Price: $199.00

Kill Team: Killzone Essentials Price: $35.00
Warhammer 40K: Kill Team Core Book (2021) Price: $50.00
WH40K: Kill Team TAC OPS Cards Price: $18.00

WH40K: Kill Team Compendium (2021) Price: $50.00

WH40K: Kill Team Adeptus Astartes Dice Set Price: $35.00
WH40K: Kill Team Chaotica Dice Set Price: $35.00
WH40K: Kill Team Ork Kommandos Dice Set Price: $35.00
WH40K: Kill Team Death Korps of Krieg Dice Set Price: $35.00

Thanks for confirming the prices Scott.

Its a hard pill to swallow but it is what it is. Stargrave it is.

 privateer4hire wrote:
So only $135 to play rather than $153 if you use the book resource versus cards.

Hopefully the careless developer who left those card-related information in the books was given the sack. That’s $18 just lying on the table.

Have you actually ever looked into how much it costs now?

$60 for Commanders, $40 for Elites, $40 for Killzones. And that's not counting the price of the original Kill Team Core Book(I want to say $40? I can't find it listed easily) or the cards.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
So only $135 to play rather than $153 if you use the book resource versus cards.

Hopefully the careless developer who left those card-related information in the books was given the sack. That’s $18 just lying on the table.

Have you actually ever looked into how much it costs now?

$60 for Commanders, $40 for Elites, $40 for Killzones. And that's not counting the price of the original Kill Team Core Book(I want to say $40? I can't find it listed easily) or the cards.

I paid for the original core book, felt like the game sucked and promptly quit.

Shadow War Armageddon has everything in one book.....

Wow. I like KT 2.0 even less now than I did a week ago. This is not a good use of my money.

Yes. I played last edition and only used the core book with models I already had as well as terrain. That’s all that was required to play casualty since stats were included for lots of basic units.

Now to achieve that same level it’s $100 if you use the book for secondary objectives, make your own tokens and movement templates, etc.

Not saying last edition was super cheap if you bought into all the expansions and killzones but for around $40 veteran players were able to play with what they had and even dabble in armies they would never consider collecting for full blown 40k.

The core manual for the last edition was hard to fault at £25 and bought together with a copy of First Strike one was up and gaming for only £50.

In comparison its the Rules and Compedium and a copy of the 40K Recruit edition, costing a whopping £92.50. The least they could have done was included the rules for the Marines and Necrons in the rule book so that beginners only had to spend £62.50 instead...

Do me a solid and go look at what actually came with stats in the Core Book for KT again.

It wasn't all the factions in the Compendium, and it definitely feels like you're making it out to be a heck of a lot more than it actually was.


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SamusDrake wrote:
The core manual for the last edition was hard to fault at £25 and bought together with a copy of First Strike one was up and gaming for only £50.

In comparison its the Rules and Compedium and a copy of the 40K Recruit edition, costing a whopping £92.50. The least they could have done was included the rules for the Marines and Necrons in the rule book so that beginners only had to spend £62.50 instead...

Why would they include two specific factions in the core book?

The idea isn't for you to just buy a starter set for 40k and go from there. It's buying unit boxes. That's been, consistently, what they keep driving at for Kill Team.

I played gsc and space marines. Not competitive level but could get in games at the store using what I had just with the core book. I know Elites added more and lots of guys bought it, commander ( which everyone locally seemed to dislike) and so forth. But I was still able to field basic cult and marines and get some games in.

At this point, this is what it will be. I think GW are happier charging more and thinking they will make up the difference of any folks who decide not to go with the new edition.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why would they include two specific factions in the core book?

The idea isn't for you to just buy a starter set for 40k and go from there. It's buying unit boxes. That's been, consistently, what they keep driving at for Kill Team.

Because they're pushing Necrons and Space Marines hard with this edition, and if you do have a newcomer to 40K its very likely they will have one of the current starter sets. Its not rocket science...

beast_gts wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Initially, I wasn't impressed by the scenery but this is pretty cool

Where is that from?

Looks like it's Sprues & Brews.

Thank you.

I'm hoping that they just naturally slot together like that, and were designed that way.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do me a solid and go look at what actually came with stats in the Core Book for KT again.

It wasn't all the factions in the Compendium, and it definitely feels like you're making it out to be a heck of a lot more than it actually was.

Oh come now, there was plenty of factions in the previous core manual for a player to choose from, especially for £25.

SamusDrake wrote:Because they're pushing Necrons and Space Marines hard with this edition, and if you do have a newcomer to 40K its very likely they will have one of the current starter sets. Its not rocket science...

Then they can grab the Compendium and have the rules for both plus a lot more?

One of the things that people consistently seem to ignore is that once you're done with the "building your forces" step? Most people could reasonably get away with sharing these books in a casual gameplay setting. It's only in comp garbage that you would have timing and the like being an issue.

Also, we could have had profile cards intended to be an item as part of this release...but given how ridiculous anything cardstock is right now, it's up in the air.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do me a solid and go look at what actually came with stats in the Core Book for KT again.

It wasn't all the factions in the Compendium, and it definitely feels like you're making it out to be a heck of a lot more than it actually was.

Oh come now, there was plenty of factions in the previous core manual for a player to choose from, especially for £25.

16/19.

And that's not including the drastically reduced number of "operatives" or whatever you want to call the previous iteration's version of profiles.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do me a solid and go look at what actually came with stats in the Core Book for KT again.

It wasn't all the factions in the Compendium, and it definitely feels like you're making it out to be a heck of a lot more than it actually was.


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SamusDrake wrote:
The core manual for the last edition was hard to fault at £25 and bought together with a copy of First Strike one was up and gaming for only £50.

In comparison its the Rules and Compedium and a copy of the 40K Recruit edition, costing a whopping £92.50. The least they could have done was included the rules for the Marines and Necrons in the rule book so that beginners only had to spend £62.50 instead...

Why would they include two specific factions in the core book?

The idea isn't for you to just buy a starter set for 40k and go from there. It's buying unit boxes. That's been, consistently, what they keep driving at for Kill Team.

I suspect the compendium will only be a temporary thing. Any one remember the 40k indexes they did? I image they either will do books for each unit, cards and such or box sets containing two squads to fight, a new killzone terrain, and a book for the new killzone. Given that the terrain boxes are $100 usd. I am thinking if they do add ons with two fractions with a new killzone it will be $150-160 USD and not include the original book, or it will and will be 199.

If they do to this edition what they did with the previous kill team adding elites commanders and other nonsense I will be done with it just as fast as it starts. Same as I was with the old Kill Team. But because I love orks i will give this one a go. Atleast for the initial box set buy in.

Defending the price as always. Typical.

angel of death 007 wrote:
I suspect the compendium will only be a temporary thing.

Oh I hadn't even considered that.

Thanks for the change of perspective. Was 50/50 on the Compendium, now 100% in the 'no' column.

I'm not going to defend GW's prices, but I don't really compare these two editions to each other. It's quite clear KT2 was a much more labour intensive task for the devs than KT1, which was mostly a copy/paste job from the 40K material of that time, dataslates included.

Also, you need to consider that while KT1 was meant as an entry point into 40K proper, KT2 seems more like it's own independent thing this time. It's targeted more towards skirmish fans who would never get into 40K proper in the first place. To me, this is GW's version of Xcom.

At the cheapest level, one can still play KT2 with just the core rulebook, battlescribe and tokens from a 3rd party supplier if they really want to spend as little as possible. Such an approach is quite common among 40K players, at least.

I like the fact that all factions get their datasheets simultaneously. I hear many 40K players begging GW to do a similar thing with the bigger game, yet when they do it for KT2 it's suddenly a terrible idea??!

I don't think anyone is complaining about getting all the factions at once. They are complaining about paying $50 for the Compendium and $50 for the Core Rules. They would probably be fine with it if it was $50 for the two of them shrink-wrapped together.

I've seen a review stating the rules for the new Ork Kommandos and Krieg Veterans in the box set are specifically NOT in the Compendium. Are there other reviews confirming this too?


https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/5655#disqus_thread

lost_lilliputian wrote:
I've seen a review stating the rules for the new Ork Kommandos and Krieg Veterans in the box set are specifically NOT in the Compendium. Are there other reviews confirming this too?


https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/5655#disqus_thread

I've heard the same thing, which is disastrously dumb in my opinion. The point of a compendium is that it's a compendium, this is just good ol GW rearing it's old head again. If it's true, of course.

 Thargrim wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
I've seen a review stating the rules for the new Ork Kommandos and Krieg Veterans in the box set are specifically NOT in the Compendium. Are there other reviews confirming this too?


https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/5655#disqus_thread

I've heard the same thing, which is disastrously dumb in my opinion. The point of a compendium is that it's a compendium, this is just good ol GW rearing it's old head again. If it's true, of course.

Well, they did state there are 19 factions in the Compendium while the Kill Team website list 21 factions

 tauist wrote:
I'm not going to defend GW's prices, but I don't really compare these two editions to each other. It's quite clear KT2 was a much more labour intensive task for the devs than KT1, which was mostly a copy/paste job from the 40K material of that time, dataslates included.

Also, you need to consider that while KT1 was meant as an entry point into 40K proper, KT2 seems more like it's own independent thing this time. It's targeted more towards skirmish fans who would never get into 40K proper in the first place. To me, this is GW's version of Xcom.

Absolutely. A lazy effort to make a 40k lite entry point into the actual game selling for $40 in rules is one thing, but you can't expect that same price point for a completely new effort that actually delivers a much more mature and mechanically sound skirmish game.

 tauist wrote:
I like the fact that all factions get their datasheets simultaneously. I hear many 40K players begging GW to do a similar thing with the bigger game, yet when they do it for KT2 it's suddenly a terrible idea??!

Yeah, the cardinal sin here is clearly not doing the obviously logistically impossible pipe-dream of 40k players where every one of the 20+ factions gets a codex of only their rules, in full detail relative to the edition before it, released simultaneously with the new edition; and make it well balanced, perfectly edited, and extensively playtested while you're at it.

I'm pretty happy to see the compendium. $50 for nearly 200 models' rules is a steak, and given that Kill Team is the one place in the hobby where I can entertain the notion of actually starting new factions just to paint some models I like, or to explore new ground, etc, without dropping several hundred dollars and months of my hobby time to paint up a new army, having all the rules for potential new factions to digest and plan is of great value to me, unlike in 40k where I'm nearly monogamous by necessity.

 Thargrim wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
I've seen a review stating the rules for the new Ork Kommandos and Krieg Veterans in the box set are specifically NOT in the Compendium. Are there other reviews confirming this too?


https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/5655#disqus_thread

I've heard the same thing, which is disastrously dumb in my opinion. The point of a compendium is that it's a compendium, this is just good ol GW rearing it's old head again. If it's true, of course.

Kommandos, at least, are in the Greenskin section on the KT website.

If anything it's likely that there's something different between the two setups, which will come whenever the Kommandos/Veteran Guardsmen get their own releases.

35 bucks for a dice set is a steal. Unfortunately it's the wrong side doing the stealing.

Kaffis wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I'm not going to defend GW's prices, but I don't really compare these two editions to each other. It's quite clear KT2 was a much more labour intensive task for the devs than KT1, which was mostly a copy/paste job from the 40K material of that time, dataslates included.

Also, you need to consider that while KT1 was meant as an entry point into 40K proper, KT2 seems more like it's own independent thing this time. It's targeted more towards skirmish fans who would never get into 40K proper in the first place. To me, this is GW's version of Xcom.

Absolutely. A lazy effort to make a 40k lite entry point into the actual game selling for $40 in rules is one thing, but you can't expect that same price point for a completely new effort that actually delivers a much more mature and mechanically sound skirmish game.

 tauist wrote:
I like the fact that all factions get their datasheets simultaneously. I hear many 40K players begging GW to do a similar thing with the bigger game, yet when they do it for KT2 it's suddenly a terrible idea??!

Yeah, the cardinal sin here is clearly not doing the obviously logistically impossible pipe-dream of 40k players where every one of the 20+ factions gets a codex of only their rules, in full detail relative to the edition before it, released simultaneously with the new edition; and make it well balanced, perfectly edited, and extensively playtested while you're at it.

I'm pretty happy to see the compendium. $50 for nearly 200 models' rules is a steak, and given that Kill Team is the one place in the hobby where I can entertain the notion of actually starting new factions just to paint some models I like, or to explore new ground, etc, without dropping several hundred dollars and months of my hobby time to paint up a new army, having all the rules for potential new factions to digest and plan is of great value to me, unlike in 40k where I'm nearly monogamous by necessity.

I also like the idea of a Compendium because that means that everyone will have all the datasheets of all their potential opponents. In 40K, I don't know half of the more esoteric units my opponent might field, because I don't have access to their codecii.

Are the Kommandos/Kriegers in the core book, or the Octarius book?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Kommandos, at least, are in the Greenskin section on the KT website.

They're listed differently (Clan Kommando), don't show off the equipment depth of the new minis, and show the old existing Kommando model.

Greenskins and Kommandos may be two different factions, like Imperial Guard (who get Stormtroopers) and Veteran Guardsmen (who get everything in the new Kreiger kit).

 Thargrim wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
I've seen a review stating the rules for the new Ork Kommandos and Krieg Veterans in the box set are specifically NOT in the Compendium. Are there other reviews confirming this too?


https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/5655#disqus_thread

I've heard the same thing, which is disastrously dumb in my opinion. The point of a compendium is that it's a compendium, this is just good ol GW rearing it's old head again. If it's true, of course.

Old gw has never left.