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I think it matters that their CGI is usually of living creatures and not spaceships or some similar gak.

Ok, we'll that was almost awesome but it doesn't make sense that the scavenger leader lady didn't just shoot Rick immediately when the gunfight breaks out. And as for the battle itself this is starting to remind me of those 'ole G.I Joe vs Cobra cartoon laser fights. Thousands of rounds being fired but no one important gets hit. Soon they'll be jumping out of vehicles before they explode.

Best fething episode of the Season. A lot of moments directly out of the comics. It was nice to see Negan in pee pee pants city for a change. Was that Negan squealing when Shiva attacked, or just the guy being eaten? Jesus, Maggie and the Hilltop coming the rescue. Michonne getting beat up in the tower, like Andrea. Undead Sasha attacking and triggering the battle, only in the Show they completely flipped it on Negan

This almost redeemed the entire Season. I have a lot more hope for the next Season now.

Ok this sounds better - may watch tonight before I give up on the show entirely.

Huh. I expected two major deaths. Got one. Figured Eugene was getting bonked in the end, once Negan started asking questions.

Ughh - that was god awful which sums up the season for me

Crappy CGI, Pacing was dismal, the flashbacks cringeworthy, the "rescue" was shockingly bad - I think the reference to the A-Team is about right.

guess I will just stick to the comics from now onwards.

Hope you guys have fun

Really? I thoroughly enjoyed that as season finales go.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Really? I thoroughly enjoyed that as season finales go.

I watched it straight after the Black Sails series finale and found Walking Dead very poor in comparison. Ah well

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Ok, we'll that was almost awesome but it doesn't make sense that the scavenger leader lady didn't just shoot Rick immediately when the gunfight breaks out.

Negan wanted Rick alive. Jadis was under orders to bring Rick to Negan.

Thousands of rounds being fired but no one important gets hit.

Rosita was hit in the firefight. And Jadis shot Rick to subdue him.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Really? I thoroughly enjoyed that as season finales go.

I watched it straight after the Black Sails series finale and found Walking Dead very poor in comparison. Ah well

Fair enough I tried Black Sails, but just couldn't quite get on with it. Shall give it another go.

Having never read the comics (I tend to stick with the one medium, then check out it's other incarnations after) there were some good twists for me. When the Scavengers do their thing, and in particular King Ezekeil's patented Kitteh Launcher (I found the bit where the Tiger was chewing on the bloke's head particularly gruesome).

It felt like a good resolution to Rick's trials during Season 7, without reducing the overall threat of Negan and the Negans - rather than bringing Negan down as many shows do to their central villain, they brought Alexandria up to their level. Both well armed. Both quite numerous. Both fairly driven - though in terms of drive, I think Negan is on the backfoot. His crew are the bullies, Alexandria, Hilltop and The Kingdom the bullied. And when the bullied stand up to their bully, things typically only go one way.

Really looking forward to Season 8 now. As for overall judgement of Season 7? Withholding until I can binge watch the entire season in one go. It's how I started watching TWD, so only seems fair.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Really? I thoroughly enjoyed that as season finales go.

I watched it straight after the Black Sails series finale and found Walking Dead very poor in comparison. Ah well

Fair enough I tried Black Sails, but just couldn't quite get on with it. Shall give it another go.

Having never read the comics (I tend to stick with the one medium, then check out it's other incarnations after) there were some good twists for me. When the Scavengers do their thing, and in particular King Ezekeil's patented Kitteh Launcher (I found the bit where the Tiger was chewing on the bloke's head particularly gruesome).

It felt like a good resolution to Rick's trials during Season 7, without reducing the overall threat of Negan and the Negans - rather than bringing Negan down as many shows do to their central villain, they brought Alexandria up to their level. Both well armed. Both quite numerous. Both fairly driven - though in terms of drive, I think Negan is on the backfoot. His crew are the bullies, Alexandria, Hilltop and The Kingdom the bullied. And when the bullied stand up to their bully, things typically only go one way.

Really looking forward to Season 8 now. As for overall judgement of Season 7? Withholding until I can binge watch the entire season in one go. It's how I started watching TWD, so only seems fair.

Everyone likes different things - I have got to the point where if I don't like a show - I bin it and WD has got to that point - sadly as I love the comics.

The Scavengers were just weird and why Rick thinks they are trustworthy enough to give them 40 Assault rifles and let them into Alexandria when he knows nothing about them apart from the fact that they live in a dump and like gladiatorial fights. Yeah he was desperate but what annoys me is that we spent the entire season just getting back to the point before Rick handed over his entire weapons dump, lots and lots of wasted time where (to me) they did not advance the plot or develop characters.

To me, Negan as depicted did not make much sense - he is great fun but should have bashed Rick and co's head in ages ago due to how much trouble they were - it was not worth it.

I hope you continue to enjoy it though

It was all just a bit 'meh' for me, but then again, that sums up pretty much the whole season for me. Some random annoyances:

Rick's willingness to hand over guns and ammo to a bunch of clearly deranged lunatics. Yes, some of it could be put down to desperation but still, it jibes a little with Rick's status as a tactician and planner. What Alexandria and Hilltop/Kingdom really needed was guns not people, IMO. A few people with guns can do a lot more damage than the show is willing to indicate.

Throughout the entire firefight, junkyard woman was pointing a gun at Rick and standing on an elevated platform and yet no-one took so much as a pot shot at her.

Despite spraying thousands of rounds on automatic, very few people are killed other than nameless 'redshirts'

Ezekiel and his stealth tiger sneaking up completely unnoticed to save Rick/Carl. Very deus ex machina.

Negan driving out in his truck, again being sprayed with hundreds of rounds, none of which penetrate the truck, burst a tyre, shatter windscreen, glass etc. Very 'A-Team' as was previously commented.

I concede the Sasha flashbacks served a purpose but it felt like filler to me.

Throughout all this gunfire, not a single walker appears? Was it their day off or something?

What annoys me the most is effectively, it has been a season of marking time as the plot is really no more advanced than it was at the start. We are in pretty much the same place as we were before at the start, minus a few characters. Not much has changed apart from a bunch of filler episodes.

I too enjoyed the Black Sails finale much more (Although, that too is not without issues).

Well we've already seen diminishing numbers of Walkers in the show - not only are their numbers ultimately finite, but a massive horde was dealt with last season, and the living are dyed-in-the-wool survivors perfectly capable of dealing with them.

We've seen Sanctuary's walker traps (where Rick and co pinched the explosives), so it seems systematic eradication of Walkers is well within the purview.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well we've already seen diminishing numbers of Walkers in the show - not only are their numbers ultimately finite, but a massive horde was dealt with last season, and the living are dyed-in-the-wool survivors perfectly capable of dealing with them.

We've seen Sanctuary's walker traps (where Rick and co pinched the explosives), so it seems systematic eradication of Walkers is well within the purview.

Haha, just wait till the next group of villains show up. Your jaw will hit the floor.

On that related note, anyone have any information or best guesstimates as to when the next Walking Dead comic compendium volume will be released? I have 1-3 so am waiting eagerly for volume 4.

And on the comic front - where can I safely read up to in the omnibi before I risk TV show spoilers?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I tend to stick to one medium for it's duration, then swtich to other incarnations, but it seems I can do a decent chunk of Walking Dead without getting spoilered.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And on the comic front - where can I safely read up to in the omnibi before I risk TV show spoilers?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I tend to stick to one medium for it's duration, then swtich to other incarnations, but it seems I can do a decent chunk of Walking Dead without getting spoilered.

As of this episode, the show has adapted all of Volume 19 "The March to War". You can read up to Issue 114 (final issue of Vol 19) without spoilers for future TV seasons.

Brill, thank you

 filbert wrote:
On that related note, anyone have any information or best guesstimates as to when the next Walking Dead comic compendium volume will be released? I have 1-3 so am waiting eagerly for volume 4.

I would also like an answer to this, but the third compendium is up to issue #144. I think we have another year or two to wait before it comes out.

 filbert wrote:
It was all just a bit 'meh' for me, but then again, that sums up pretty much the whole season for me. Some random annoyances:

Rick's willingness to hand over guns and ammo to a bunch of clearly deranged lunatics. Yes, some of it could be put down to desperation but still, it jibes a little with Rick's status as a tactician and planner. What Alexandria and Hilltop/Kingdom really needed was guns not people, IMO. A few people with guns can do a lot more damage than the show is willing to indicate.

Throughout the entire firefight, junkyard woman was pointing a gun at Rick and standing on an elevated platform and yet no-one took so much as a pot shot at her.

Despite spraying thousands of rounds on automatic, very few people are killed other than nameless 'redshirts'

Ezekiel and his stealth tiger sneaking up completely unnoticed to save Rick/Carl. Very deus ex machina.

Negan driving out in his truck, again being sprayed with hundreds of rounds, none of which penetrate the truck, burst a tyre, shatter windscreen, glass etc. Very 'A-Team' as was previously commented.

I concede the Sasha flashbacks served a purpose but it felt like filler to me.

Throughout all this gunfire, not a single walker appears? Was it their day off or something?

What annoys me the most is effectively, it has been a season of marking time as the plot is really no more advanced than it was at the start. We are in pretty much the same place as we were before at the start, minus a few characters. Not much has changed apart from a bunch of filler episodes.

I too enjoyed the Black Sails finale much more (Although, that too is not without issues).

Yes exactly. Let's take a moment to think about that stupid scene where when Rick was taken hostage by the scavengers and he's smiling. Seemed like a stupid reaction at the time...turns out it was stupid. I haven't been a fan of TV Rick since he spent a whole season after Lori died wandering around and hallucinating. I would not follow this guy unquestioningly, I don't think he's a very good leader.

I don;t think he asked them a single question beyond will you fight for us.

They were obviously some kind of wierd cult who just wanted lots of guns - cos yeah how could that go wrong.

By his own (twisted) standard Negan did in fact bend over backwards to Ricks Crew - Hilltop and Kingdom are short - people die.

Rick and co keep trying stuff on and nothing much happens beyond the first killings - which is pretty mild considering dozens of saviours died.

Lastly I do agree wtih my friend that they know they are being renewed, so they spin spin it out and meander the storyline.

This season has been the worst since Season 2 I think

Yeah the garbage cult was very WTF? from the beginning.

Negan does not behave in a remotely believable way and they bad about whipsawing him just like they do with Rick. He is also apparently one of the luckiest people on the show, being completely unharmed by Z-Sasha despite falling off the platform and Z-Sasha eating the guy who pulled her off, evading bullets, having a bulletproof truck, Dwight not just putting a bullet in his head as he fled, etc.

I liked the flying tiger eating faces. Ezekiel should have ridden it while using a chainsaw for the glory of the Kingdom. Let's do this for real!

Well, yes, it was very...underwhelming.

For anyone abandoning the TV series, please feel free to start (or find/resurrect?) a Comic series thread.

See everyone else back here in...the Fall?

Yes, although I find the show to be a bit of a chore sometimes I don't think I'll ever be able to stop watching it.

Anyone else notice that it looked like TARA shot Rosita? Go to 0:30.

LOL! I assume she is firing towards the camera, but it is funny. Needs to aim better!

Not sure if this has come up yet...

'Walking Dead' showrunner aims for 20 seasons on air

'Walking Dead' will live 20 years, says producer

I call bs. Not gonna happen, dragging the show out for so long will just bleed the show of viewers until the network pulls the plug without warning and without a satisfying conclusion. I'd prefer 8 or 9 Seasons with a satisfying conclusion that the writers intended and had ample time to plan for, than 15+ Seasons with an unsatisfying conclusion forced on the showrunners at short notice or no conclusion at all.

Providing they don't end up needing to do flashier and flashier CGI shots and therefore costs increasing...

The Walking Dead has essentially always been a soap opera plus zombies.

Eastenders has been going on for 32 years.
Coronation Street has been going on for 52.

Yikes! I am really hoping they wrap it up in a few seasons. I am sure they hope they can milk it for 20, but it is struggling for content and has been dragging out storylines for a while. Since viewership is already in decline, the result seems inevitable.