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Not sure what regulations are, but I'd imagine they are all holding the rifle on the same side of their body like when they are drilling. I'd also think it would really only be the close combat weapons that would be held towards the doorway side if the weapons were large enough to block the entrance, like halberds.

Sweet work on his posing by the way .

Cast him, surely?

I will hopefully try to cast a spell for this one....

and thanks theo... I think your reasoning is very sound...the halberds

hopefully the GS gods are with me^^

The side where guards hold their weapon is not depending on which side they are standing, Both guards will have their arms on the same side. If you look up pictcures of the Swiss Guard you will recognize they always hold their halberd in the right hand, regardless where they are positioned. (couldn't find a pic with two guards bearing halberds flanking an entrance, sorry) The side your weapon is positioned is solely a question of weapon drill. Originally these stances were trained in order to 1) make thinking while handling your weapon under attack superfluous, and 2) coordinate the handling of then-quite long pikes or muskets in a cordon, so nobody would clash their polearms or gunbarrels together. If a doorguard were to take action, it would be desatrous to have to think flipside.
Blocking an entrance with crossed polearms is just showing-off btw. If you had to guard a door with a halberd in ernest, you would lever the polearm foward to more easily reach out with levelled halberd in both hands and keep the intruder at bay on tip, if he further advances. not hold your weapon sideways so the intruder can just tackle you, making the polearm useless.
So why are there pictures of english guards with their gun on different sides? and even more strange, while standing in a guardhouse, alone? This is just an intelligent guess, but maybe they are left-handed?

have to admit my own experience is only with 30years war drill reenactment. Would be nice to hear what is up todate now with Wachbattalion etc-

Vik! glad to see you are still with us! flu is never fun.

Like the guarding Guardsman!

you have a lot of catching up to do with the absence mister!

Glad to have you back bro!

Nice job on the cut and shunt with a little GS work should work well, as to the rifle from what I have seen they are always on the same side.

Nice work on the Guard. You mispelled "Actung" though. Perhaps add something else, something ceremonial to him?

 Red Harvest wrote:
Nice work on the Guard. You mispelled "Actung" though. Perhaps add something else, something ceremonial to him?

If spelled "A-c-h-t-u-n-g" it is correct.

Earlier on Vic stated he wanted standard field livery cadians in order to have them around in masses.
- Well, after looking at the fig once more, Vic, I think you might swap the free arm to something straight. While the arm with the flashlight looks quite convincing to me, the bent arm does not look like "attention", but like "sloppy guard having a drool in the standing-box". Do yoh have an arm with straight elbow, hand stretched with inside to the leg? Would be perfect!

Hruotland wrote:The side where guards hold their weapon is not depending on which side they are standing, Both guards will have their arms on the same side. If you look up pictcures of the Swiss Guard you will recognize they always hold their halberd in the right hand, regardless where they are positioned. (couldn't find a pic with two guards bearing halberds flanking an entrance, sorry) The side your weapon is positioned is solely a question of weapon drill. Originally these stances were trained in order to 1) make thinking while handling your weapon under attack superfluous, and 2) coordinate the handling of then-quite long pikes or muskets in a cordon, so nobody would clash their polearms or gunbarrels together. If a doorguard were to take action, it would be desatrous to have to think flipside.
Blocking an entrance with crossed polearms is just showing-off btw. If you had to guard a door with a halberd in ernest, you would lever the polearm foward to more easily reach out with levelled halberd in both hands and keep the intruder at bay on tip, if he further advances. not hold your weapon sideways so the intruder can just tackle you, making the polearm useless.
So why are there pictures of english guards with their gun on different sides? and even more strange, while standing in a guardhouse, alone? This is just an intelligent guess, but maybe they are left-handed?

have to admit my own experience is only with 30years war drill reenactment. Would be nice to hear what is up todate now with Wachbattalion etc-

very good reasoning on the drill and posing...I was thinking the same actually but as I was relying on common sense I dismissed the thought as we are talking about military stuff here
this will be taken into account for the next model ! I am already imaging lines of lines of standing to attention soldiers...*sigh*

shasolenzabi wrote:Vik! glad to see you are still with us! flu is never fun.

Like the guarding Guardsman!

you have a lot of catching up to do with the absence mister!

Glad to have you back bro!

thanks matey... I will hop to your thread in a minute... I know due to lurking a wee bit what´s waiting there for me tho^^

lone dirty dog wrote:Nice job on the cut and shunt with a little GS work should work well, as to the rifle from what I have seen they are always on the same side.

today I altered a bit the mini... I think the mark I had some flaws... the free arm as Hruotland pointed out...but I still think the wee soldier has a bit too short legs... I think I will fix them tomorrow...then GS will happen...

Red Harvest wrote:Nice work on the Guard. You mispelled "Actung" though. Perhaps add something else, something ceremonial to him?

hmmm.... ceremonial...?... I wanted to add some bayonets... wanted to use DE blades for that as they look a bit more ceremonial to me...?...and as shaso will say below... Achtung... but well... that wouldn´t really cause the right reactions on a British parade ground...

shasolenzabi wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
Nice work on the Guard. You mispelled "Actung" though. Perhaps add something else, something ceremonial to him?

If spelled "A-c-h-t-u-n-g" it is correct.

indeed^^... tho my sarge always yelled "STILL...gestanden..."....and the "gestanden" part is barely hear able...

Hruotland wrote:Earlier on Vic stated he wanted standard field livery cadians in order to have them around in masses.
- Well, after looking at the fig once more, Vic, I think you might swap the free arm to something straight. While the arm with the flashlight looks quite convincing to me, the bent arm does not look like "attention", but like "sloppy guard having a drool in the standing-box". Do yoh have an arm with straight elbow, hand stretched with inside to the leg? Would be perfect!

thank you sir! I was trying to pose the soldier in a way I remember the standing at attention from my military service days... tho I have to say we didn´t stand to attention with guns at all... only unarmed... and due to german bundeswehr military protocol there are some small differencies between british and U.S. military standards... first... you make fists next to your thighs, and the elbows are slightly bend... also the feet are pointing in different directions at a slight angle... BUT...
your point is valid, as I was aiming for british and American military procedure... and not german... thus...

"ch ch changes"^^




what do you think?... better?...it is a pointing arm of the HW team kit... but substantially altered... cut up and shaved of some bits here and there... the hand tho I kept... it is the right hand of the medics bandaging arm set...for your info...


cheers, vik

I see he has a straight attention arm now!

He looks brilliant Vik, nice job. Only thing you maybe add would be a bayonet! Got to be a pointy stick for guardin aint it!!

Latest is good and would be better for mass production, but liked the first one too.

And just to come in late on the conversation, I am sure that the shouldered arms are always on the same side. Regardless of lefty or righty. Got to do with formation manouvering I think. Imagine them Yankee boys who do spectacular stuff with bayoneted guns, one lefty and your arms off!!

thanks shaso...

and cam... LOL... yep... sarge wouldn´t want to have one of his yell-at´s to be short of a hand all of a sudden...^^

and bayonets will happen^^

I get a spelling lesson in German. Danke, herren. Never noticed that 'H' before. I saw all those 'a's strung together in your title and for a moment I thought it was a Dutch word

A bayonet would be a nice touch. I suppose how you paint him could be sufficent to distinguish him too. He looks good as is though. Nice work.

And now I am noticing how big that rifle is, maybe 160-165 cm in scale? Wow. Perfect for a ceremonial piece.

it is only the standard lasgun you get in many kits as a detail ... when you chop up a guardsman you discover a lot of the weird way GW made these... for instance the legs are not really even in length... especially if you have a wide stance as you get in some legs... and the arms... the one holding the mortar shell or the pointy arm... are way too long compared to the ones that are bend...weird... very weird... one must not ponder about the peeps sitting at the desks at GW... really...

Never expect a right and reasonable scale off the mismatch GW does, I mean the guys have 1/35 scale hands and heads fro crying out loud! and the BC on the Leman Russ is no way right scale 120mm as the old schematics indicate as a 1/35 scale 125mm cannon is dwarfed by the girth and muzzle mouth of it!

Looks like he's guarding something. Job's a good 'un.

Getting there, the arm is good now. - But I fear you should correct yet another GW misfit - look at the boots. One cuff bigger than the other, little bit "westcoast" maybe? Should be quite easy to correct. Either make the left one higher with green stuff or carve around the right leg, lowering the upper rim of the cuff and instead continuing the folds of the trouser. What do you think?

I think I will fix that with GS asap... tho this mistake we cant shove into the shoes of GW... while cutting up and reposing the right boot it became a slight bit taller... but that I think I can cope...if all fails he will afterwards look like he is due to a bit of a close quarter yelling by his sergeant at arms^^

Looking good Vik and great to see you back and at it

Thanks ruglud...

On a totally unrelated matter...

Christmas is soon upon us... The tree needs its stuffing by packages...so... The missus and were thinking to add a gaming console to the heap...but to be honest...what system should we currently choose? We do own the old Wii but even tho we have three controls and a balance board the idea was to provide the kids with the Disney infinity game... And this would be only interesting in our opinion with version 2.0... But that would need a new console...so we now are open for suggestions mateys...

Help us in our darkest hour...


Cheers, and a merry time,eh

I myself am an X-box 360 man

If you're going to be gaming yourself (and I presume you do) then I'd go PS4 - atm it's a hands down optimal choice overall. PS4 has better performance, wide game library, some awesome exclusives and a variety of other "pros". I'd call it a better investment. And that comes from an 360 fan.

Microsoft is the devil. So is Sony. Not sure which is less evil. Can I recommend no console? Perhaps a gaming rig instead? Something that can be used as a media server as well as a gaming device? Since I do not play the 'vidya games' myself, I have no idea if that is a better option.

Hmmm, IIRC German Folklore, you guys have something called a Belschnickel? (and if needed, feel free to correct the spelling ) Instead of a switch, these days he would certainly scare children by threatening to bring a Sony or Microsoft product into the house .

I think the PS4 has more utility to it as an overall media hub- though the XBawks is attempting to take that title itself- thing is, they're both rather unintuitive for the new learner.

A SteamBox might do alright depending on the game, but I'm not sure if Disney Infinity would work on it.

Honestly, if you're going for a full family gaming console, Nintendo is probably what you'll want. Their products tend to be better investments overall as well, I think- more people will continue playing games on their old Nintendo consoles than will play games on older Microsoft or Sony consoles.

I can't recommend any, all we have are WII. Old ones, just really used anymore for Netflix. PS4 looks like the better to me, just depends on budget I guess.

@red harvest: if I recall my German Folk lore correctly, I have never heard of a Belschnickel. But we are a country of ginormous local cultural differences. Myself, I am a Lower Saxon from the northern parts. Wikipedia tells me this "Belsnickel" or "Pelzmäntle"(meaning "fur coat") is stemming from the Palatine and Franconian area somewhere in the southern parts, or what we "Fish Heads" call "south of the weisswurst aequator". We do not know much about those parts. They seem to drink the wrong type of beer, sometimes even (lo and behold! wine, speak funny and are definitely not Bavarians. On the other hand, Vic is from Berlin. They also seem to drink the wrong type of beer, speak funny and are definitely not Bavarians. So maybe they have a Belsnickel there?


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well concerning the console, XBox Kinect. It is soooo much cooler not to have a controler while doing things like running, dodging, throwing things, kicking balls without holding a bone in your hand - AHEM DID I JUST WRITE THIS I DID NOT MEAN WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK NO REALLY!

Advent is heavy business for parents, we all know. Hope you have time to relax sometime along christmas, vic! I found this pic and thought you might like the inspiration...

Thats really cool. Looks like it is built on a forklift chassis?

My Grandfather mentioned the Belschnickel a few times. His Grandparents were from Lower Saxony and Westphalia. I suspect it is the Westphalian side that knew of it. The Pennsylvania Dutch here in the US-- who are of German descent (should be Pennsylvania Deutsch) also have the Belschnickel. I just think it is an amusing idea.

Never knew Germany would be so compartmentalized, but I guess it makes sense. Now about the beer, Kolsch? That's good stuff.

And Vik seems to have taken an extended leave of absense. I hope he makes it back for the contest. Or just to check in. Who else can keep those pesky welders at bay?

We do miss the master!

Excellent pic there, totally love the concept. Can almost see a couple guardsman with a stubber mounted on the top, and a Commisar stood waving get me closer! Just needs an Aquilla on the front!