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Those tyranids looked good but i wouldnt Dip i prefer to trust my own painting say for painting a load of boyz

I voted "other".

I have dipped. I like dipping. I have dipped both rank and file and hero models with excellent results on both. However, not everyone likes the effect of dipping, and I respect that.

Here are some pics I've dipped in recent years:





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I just see dipping as another tool in my arsenal. Some models make sense to dip. Some don't.

I voted as I did not do... But just recently I bout some from Army Painter. I also got the color primer to boot.

The idea is to primer in the base color, paint on the other base colors and do up some details. Then dip in a medium dark, pull off the puddles and spray falt varnish after hitting the details again.

I did this as I have 130 Zombies, 60 Daemons, 40 Scouts, and a couple miscellaneous models to paint. I see this as perfect without the primer for Daemons and Nids, as they should have glossy skin or exoskeletons. I use a varnish for the Zombies and Scouts as they should not be glossy, but should be grayish dirty as they are based in the city or undead. I can also see this as useful for creatures with lots of dirty skin showing, like Ogres, Spawns, Greater Daemons, or just dirty units, like Orks, Nurgle Units, and the like.

Dipping is for certain types of armies not rank and file vs character models.

I would happily dip all Tyranids, but would never dip any High Elves.

todeswind wrote:
I just see dipping as another tool in my arsenal. Some models make sense to dip. Some don't.

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This man speaks the truth.
I also don't care how you paint your models. At least you've made an effort.
The poll answer choices are awful. Strong negative bias.

I didn't dip any of my Necrons, but I will likely dip my Tyranids I'm working on. For my 15mm minis from Rebel Minis, I dip them as well. Nice way to get a good protective coat and shading on some models (esp 15mm).

 samwellfrm wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with it. Some people don't have time to paint thier entire armies with a brush. I'd much rather see a dipped army on the field than a gray plastic army.

I think you've hit the nail on the head saying this, it's exactly how I feel towards dipping. Not everyone likes painting, or even has the time. I've got a Tau Battleforce + plus 4 extra Fire Warrior Squads, Dark Vengeance, and some Blood Angels to paint, I've got nearly 200 models to paint 0_o

I use it like a wash, applying it to some areas of the model rather than all over. It has a lovely effect when applied over metallic colours or bones. But you have to be aware of it's draw backs, such as pooling, and the fact it warms colours. But if you want an oily metal, or you just need to paint up a ton of models quickly, it's the perfect stuff...

Hmmm well I said "Other" as I had no idea what it was, but I can see it being useful for bulk identical forces like 'Nids. I'll stick to washes myself though, valid technique otherwise.

Ive always used washes and a wash doesnt take long anyway, its the highlighting that takes me the most time

tom191 wrote:
Ive always used washes and a wash doesnt take long anyway, its the highlighting that takes me the most time

I think this is one of the primary benefits of the dip and one of the things that sets it apart from a wash. Dipping gives a pseudo-highlight effect to models.

Of course it's not as dramatic an effect as a brushed-on highlight, but dip falls away from the edges (much like a wash, but less quickly) and creates a highlight-like effect where the edges are lighter than the rest of the model. It's especially pronounced when you prime in white or light grey and use lighter colors than usual, something you should always on dip-able models anyway as dip darkens the colors of a model.

I have dipped models in the past but to be honest I can get a very similar effect using washes which have the added benefit of not leaving a glossy finish.

If a model has a muted paint scheme or is supposed to look slimy/dirty then I will still dip but its not something that I default to.

I spend hours on my showcase models and maybe an hour on rank and file. But I wouldn't have it any other way. But then again I am more into the hobby than most gamers around my part of the country. That said dipped models have no place in painting competitions but are perfectly fine with me in regular gaming

If it looks good, then it's fine. A model doesn't have to look better, purely because it was done over days, rather than an hour. If it looks better, it looks better, and those tyranids, look epic

I don't like the glossy look of dipping. I knew a guy who dipped all his models, chaos, space marines, orks, necrons etc.. they just looked super shiny, not gritty

foxyfennec wrote:
I don't like the glossy look of dipping. I knew a guy who dipped all his models, chaos, space marines, orks, necrons etc.. they just looked super shiny, not gritty

I think your friend was doing something wrong and probably skipping the last step of dipping.

Unless it's tyranids, most folks also don't like the dip gloss. That's why almost everyone who dips finshes with an anti-gloss step. This could be dulcote, matte spray, brush-on matte varnish, etc, but the point is that glossiness isn't necessarily part of dipping.

The thing with dipping imo is that the model comes out half done, but most people decide its done!

I think if models were dipped for basic shading, then touched up with a brush, the standard would be much higher, and for only a little extra effort!

If it's on units that naturally lend themselves to the effects I love it. I'm also in favor or it if it is the difference between someone having a painted army or a field of grey plastic.

I actually love painting individual models, so I would never dip. It's the little details that differentiate the minis. But I don't begrudge anyone who does. It's their toy soldiers

The problem with all these votes is they really don't cover how I feel.

I haven't dipped, have no problem with it for any model, leader or troops, and if there is an army like zombies or bugs that I get down the road where I think it is appropriate, I will go ahead and dip them.

Why would you "hate" something that makes models look decent? The more tools out there for people to use, the more players the games get, the less model lines they have to cut, the more lines they can start, the more reasonably priced the game can stay, and the better the game will be!!

What causes many to buy more models? More finished product in the closest then WIPs.

Just say YES to dipping!!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/394884.page

I found this a while back, surprised people still argue about dipping.
If you use it as a technique, and not liquid talent for all the things, you can dip in blueberry juice and have it look good.

If it works well with the army and yields good results, then sure why not? I have a Tyranid army still in the box that I haven't touched in years, might try it with them when I get chance to paint them.

I'm a huge fan of dipping, but I haven't done so myself. I really ought to though, it encourages batch painting in ways that my unpainted armies could only dream of.

However, just as I think it's unfair to severely (and I do mean severely, mind you) criticize people for dipping, people have a right to criticize it. It can be done poorly, and while a painted army is always better than an unpainted one the technique can result in less than stellar results.

Feth it, I'll post despite the age of this original thread.

If you don't wanna spend the time to paint the army because you don't care for painting, but want it to look decent, fine. If you wanna spend the time to paint it all yourself, that's cool too. Its a matter of pride when you can say I hand painted each model that you see before you, and every little detail. I will respect someones modelling and painting ability more when its hand painted, versus someone who just dips it. That being said, there is nothing wrong with dipping at all if painting isn't your thing. Its also acceptable when you have tons of rank and file troops(IG, Orks, and Nids), but I'll think your kind of lazy if you were to do it to a 20 model army. You do you, its better than seeing grey models on the board any day.

 Firehead158 wrote:
Feth it, I'll post despite the age of this original thread.

If you don't wanna spend the time to paint the army because you don't care for painting, but want it to look decent, fine. If you wanna spend the time to paint it all yourself, that's cool too. Its a matter of pride when you can say I hand painted each model that you see before you, and every little detail. I will respect someones modelling and painting ability more when its hand painted, versus someone who just dips it. That being said, there is nothing wrong with dipping at all if painting isn't your thing. Its also acceptable when you have tons of rank and file troops(IG, Orks, and Nids), but I'll think your kind of lazy if you were to do it to a 20 model army. You do you, its better than seeing grey models on the board any day.

An understandable point of view, but I would make the small point that dipped miniatures have still been "hand painted" it's just the "dipping" step may not have been. To further complicate the matter, myself and others often apply the "dip" with a brush, in the same way that many folks apply a wash. Is that not also hand painted?
Taken further, do you also require the primer to be applied with a brush? The clearcoat? The matte varnish? If those steps are done with a spray, is the model no longer handpainted?

Suffice to say I respect your respect of a highly detailed, well shaded/highlighted/etc paintjob, but I think you and others may be making some false distinctions between models that are "dipped" and "hand painted".

I brush the dip (per the tutorial in my thread) on almost every miniature and take sincere pride in having "hand painted" all (with few exceptions) of my own models.

 Eilif wrote:

 Firehead158 wrote:
Feth it, I'll post despite the age of this original thread.

If you don't wanna spend the time to paint the army because you don't care for painting, but want it to look decent, fine. If you wanna spend the time to paint it all yourself, that's cool too. Its a matter of pride when you can say I hand painted each model that you see before you, and every little detail. I will respect someones modelling and painting ability more when its hand painted, versus someone who just dips it. That being said, there is nothing wrong with dipping at all if painting isn't your thing. Its also acceptable when you have tons of rank and file troops(IG, Orks, and Nids), but I'll think your kind of lazy if you were to do it to a 20 model army. You do you, its better than seeing grey models on the board any day.

An understandable point of view, but I would make the small point that dipped miniatures have still been "hand painted" it's just the "dipping" step may not have been. To further complicate the matter, myself and others often apply the "dip" with a brush, in the same way that many folks apply a wash. Is that not also hand painted?
Taken further, do you also require the primer to be applied with a brush? The clearcoat? The matte varnish? If those steps are done with a spray, is the model no longer handpainted?

Suffice to say I respect your respect of a highly detailed, well shaded/highlighted/etc paintjob, but I think you and others may be making some false distinctions between models that are "dipped" and "hand painted".

I brush the dip (per the tutorial in my thread) on almost every miniature and take sincere pride in having "hand painted" all (with few exceptions) of my own models.

Point taken. A primer and a clear coat/matte finishing or sealant I can understand as being sprayed on.I also don't consider applying the "dip" with a brush, a dip at all. You're using it as an alternative to regular bottles of shade. If you put it on a stick, and dip it in, you most certainly have used a dip. It really depends. Its a matter of personal pride on the primer aspect. Hell, I built 35 to 40 models here in Afghanistan that I hand primed because I had no choice. I normally do use spray primer, and don't particularly care, but at the same time, primer is not the main coat of paint that you see on my models. Personally, priming regardless of how it is done is irrelevant t me, its all about what you see in the end. Slapping on a some paint on some Ork boys(green skin, brown pants, gunmetal pistol and axe) then dipping in minwax, is a lot different than painting on the green, shading with the appropriate color, then highlighting etc etc etct. Are the effects similar? Sure, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference at distance. Now, we're playing a game, you tell me you dipped I might tell you "Thats cool, they look really good". Same situation you tell me "I painted these all by hand, did all the shading, and highlighting. Took me over 100 hours for this army", I will congratulate you on your hard work, and tell you they look great(or if they still look mediocre I'll be nice about it). I won't rip on you either way, again at least you have painted, playable models.

Dip, don't dip, paint, don't paint. Makes no difference to me. I like to make and play with models rather than spend my time painting them all anyway.

I recently started dipping my Kings of War (Mantic fantasy humans) and I have been real happy with the dusty-battlefield look. The dip is brushed on and mineral spirits is used to keep the dip thin. Once dried the minis are sprayed with matte. Several coats of washes are also applied before the dip.

I haven't decided which fantasy race to finish painting next. I have well over a 100 Dwarves and about 100 Elves, but I am thinking that the same dipping technique will work fine for both armies.

lol, i chose "I want to burn all dipped models" you can see the vein in my head bulging when I see a dipped army!