Ovion wrote:

 acekevin8412 wrote:

 Ovion wrote:
Heh - how about something like:
Amaranthine: On a roll of a 5+ the model may ignore the effects of Instant Death caused by an unsaved wound.
10pt upgrade.

And the great rule writer cometh. Sounds good. However, I'm unsure for the 10pt cost. Ability to ignore ID is dependent on Toughness. T3 Farseer is going to have to take a lot more flak than a T6 Nurgle biker.

Yeah, but I haven't had time to work on the 'non-linear' system yet. (CRAZY busy month)

On the 'linear' system, Eternal Warrior is 35pts, this being 1/3 as effective, making it 11.6pts, so I just rounded down to 10 for ease, though you could round it up to 12.

Then you can have something like 'Amaranthine (4+)' which is in turn worth 16-18pts

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
iron hands captain ructhan. i felt bas iron hands had no specail/named character, so i wanted to make one.

ructhan is one of the iron hands longest living members. he has been in numerous campaings, and countless battles. he has taking many many wounds, and has had over the years nearly all of his body replaced with cybonics. he is extremly resilent to attacks, as he has had his cybonics made from the strongest metals his tech marines would allow. after one campain in which his bolter was destroyed by an Eldar faseer, he requisitioned a request for a new appendige to the tech marines. the master of the forge himself built it for ructhan. it is a servo arm of sorts, a metal arm that extends from his upper right shoulder to carry an extra weapon of his choice, depending on the enemy. when in battle, ructhan goes with his personel cammand squad, the eternals. the members of this cammand squad have proven there worth in battle, and strategy, and have nearly as much bionic enhcancements as ructhan. Ructhans personal transport is a landraider cruader, one whos machine spirit is especially strong, even for the iron hands.

ructhan: 200 points

]ws bs s t w i a ld sv
6 5 4 5 3 5 3 10 2+

wargear:

the iron fist.
ructhan had his intire left fist removed, and in place had the chapters techamrines add a powerfist, one thats built into his arm. S X2, AP 2, special rules: mellee, slow, but not slowest. this power fist strikes at I 2, instaed of the usual 1.

storm bolter

iron halo

frag and krak grenades.

artificer armor

Iron prevails when flesh fails!
ructhan is a firm believer in fleshs wekaness. his It will not die roll is made on a 4+, and his FNP is made on a 5+. whenever ructhan is wounded by a weapon that is s 10, he makes a special rule on a 5+. if passed, the wepons shot will not ID him.

arm of retrebution.
ructhan has a addition metal arm. this grants him and additional attack in CC at s5 at regular iniative. this may be replaced for an boltegun for free. if so, he has no extra close combat bonus. (note this lets him shoot 2 weapons in the shooting phase.)

Special rules;
chapter tatics, iron hands.

Iron prevails when flesh fails!
ructhan is a firm believer in fleshs wekaness. his It will not die roll is made on a 4+, and his FNP is made on a 5+. whenever ructhan is wounded by a weapon that is s 10, he makes a special roll on a 5+. if passed, the wepons shot will not ID him.

the Eternals.
you may upgrade one cammand squad to the Eternals for 50 points. they may not ride space marine bikes. these eternals have a 4+ feel no pain roll, and artificer armor. they may not be joined b anyother idependent character but ructhan. they may take a razorback, rhino, droppod, or a land raider cruader. (if they take the land raider, they must start the game in it, along with ructhan.)

 Lord Gatlas wrote:
I was reading the Codex, and I found to my horror that I CANNOT give a chapter master an Assault Cannon. What do you think would be a fair price for one? (Assuming he's wearing termie armor)

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 Lord Gatlas wrote:
I was reading the Codex, and I found to my horror that I CANNOT give a chapter master an Assault Cannon. What do you think would be a fair price for one? (Assuming he's wearing termie armor)

40 seems about right based on the PC for the GK GM.

 Lord Gatlas wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 Lord Gatlas wrote:
I was reading the Codex, and I found to my horror that I CANNOT give a chapter master an Assault Cannon. What do you think would be a fair price for one? (Assuming he's wearing termie armor)

40 seems about right based on the PC for the GK GM.

Thanks.

CalasTyphon216 wrote:
Honored Veteran Sergeant Licurgus, Chapter Champion, Minotaurs Chapter

Licurgus is both the Champion of his Chapter, and the commander of Asterion Moloc's bodyguard. A stalwart and uncompromising fighter, he, along with the rest of his 30 man unit, were all slain by Lychguard during the boarding of the Necron Tomb Ship Dead Hand at the Battle of Amarah.

110 points

Type: Infantry (character)

Composition: 1 (unique)

WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W2 I5 A3 Ld9 Sv2+

Wargear: Terminator armour, storm shield, master-crafted power axe

Special Rules:

Chapter Traits: All Minotaurs space marines have the Preferred Enemy USR against all space marine codexes with the exception of C:CSM.

The Unbreakable Thirty: This is a unit of 30 terminator veterans that form the bodyguard and spearhead of Asterion Moloc. A special unit consisting of Licurgus and 29 Terminators and/or Assault Terminators may be taken. No Terminator Sergeants or Assault Terminator Sergeants may be taken. This unit is a HQ choice that may only be taken if Asterion Moloc is taken in the same detachment. No Honor Guard units may be taken for Moloc. THis unit does not take up a HQ slot.

 Ovion wrote:

CalasTyphon216 wrote:
Honored Veteran Sergeant Licurgus, Chapter Champion, Minotaurs Chapter

Licurgus is both the Champion of his Chapter, and the commander of Asterion Moloc's bodyguard. A stalwart and uncompromising fighter, he, along with the rest of his 30 man unit, were all slain by Lychguard during the boarding of the Necron Tomb Ship Dead Hand at the Battle of Amarah.

110 points

Type: Infantry (character)

Composition: 1 (unique)

WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W2 I5 A3 Ld9 Sv2+

Wargear: Terminator armour, storm shield, master-crafted power axe

Special Rules:

Chapter Traits: All Minotaurs space marines have the Preferred Enemy USR against all space marine codexes with the exception of C:CSM.

The Unbreakable Thirty: This is a unit of 30 terminator veterans that form the bodyguard and spearhead of Asterion Moloc. A special unit consisting of Licurgus and 29 Terminators and/or Assault Terminators may be taken. No Terminator Sergeants or Assault Terminator Sergeants may be taken. This unit is a HQ choice that may only be taken if Asterion Moloc is taken in the same detachment. No Honor Guard units may be taken for Moloc. THis unit does not take up a HQ slot.

Right, costing - first unit under new codex I've done!

Spoiler:

Terminator Captain: 120
-1WS -10
-1W -10
-1Ld -5
Storm Shield +20
Mastercrafted Power Axe +10
+TermiBodyguard +10

Total: 135

CalasTyphon216 wrote:
Minotaurs Chapter
All Space Marine units in this detachment gain the Preferred Enemy USR against units from the following codices: C:SM, C:SW, C:GK, C: DA, C:BA, and any FW supplements pertaining to the aforementioned codices.

 Ovion wrote:

CalasTyphon216 wrote:
Minotaurs Chapter
All Space Marine units in this detachment gain the Preferred Enemy USR against units from the following codices: C:SM, C:SW, C:GK, C: DA, C:BA, and any FW supplements pertaining to the aforementioned codices.

This would just be Prefered Enemy (Space Marines).

Teska Etzkoatl, The Obsidian Serpent

The First Tlatoani, Great Cheif of the Sons of Sotek

WS:6 BS:5 S:4 T:4 W:4 A:4 I:5 LD:10

Wargear: Storm Shield, Krak/Frag Grenades, Artificer Armor, Orbital Bombardment

Chapter Relics:

Jaguar Cloak: Grants Eternal Warrior

Snake Mace: Melee Weapon:

S: +1 User AP2 Concussive

Special Rules: ATSKNF, Chapter Tactics (Sons of Sotek)

Heart-taker: Teska must accept and issue challenges in combat. For each character Teska kills in a challenge, he gains another atttack.

Warlord Trait: Master of Offence (Furious Charge in enemy Deployment Zone)

Chapter Tactics (Sons of Sotek):

Children of the Snake: Melee weapons have Poisioned(5+). Chararacters have Poisioned (4+) instead.

Company Marksman

Slot: Elite
Points Cost: ???75???

Ws:3 Bs:6 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:3 A:1 LD:8 SV:5+ Type: In(Ch)

Wargear: Hades Longlas, CCW, flack armor, camo cloak

Hades Longlas: a specially made Longlas rifle that uses heavily modified beam focus optics to increase power and render the beam invisible to the naked eye.
Range: 36” S:3 Ap:6 Type: Rapid Fire, Sniper

Special Rules: Infiltrate, scout, shrouded, Desperate Stand, Patient Hunter

Desperate Stand: when an enemy declares a charge against a Company Marksman he may use his full Ballistics Skill to Overwatch, and each successful wound (regardless of armour saves) grants the CM another shot.

Patient Hunter: Hadian snipers are trained to observe their opponents, sometimes for days, before striking. If a unit with this rule does not shoot, move or assault for a turn then he gains +2 BS on the next turn.

Sgt_Smudge wrote:
BS6-8 on a guardsman?! Fluffwise, this seems stupid as a Space Marine Chapter Master, who has been fighting the enemy's of the Emperor for hundreds of years, loss a shooting match with a guardsman who has a life expectancy of 15 hours?! I'd personally make him BS5 and change Paitoent Hunter to If he hasn't moved by the first shot he makes, he receives +2 BS. Instead of every other turn.

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:
I was looking at a sniper character for my IG (The Hades 501st) and wrote out some stats, C&C is great and I would love to hear peoples opinions.

Company Marksman

Slot: Elite
Points Cost: ???75???

Ws:3 Bs:6 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:3 A:1 LD:8 SV:5+ Type: In(Ch)

Wargear: Hades Longlas, CCW, flack armor, camo cloak

Hades Longlas: a specially made Longlas rifle that uses heavily modified beam focus optics to increase power and render the beam invisible to the naked eye.
Range: 36” S:3 Ap:6 Type: Rapid Fire, Sniper

Special Rules: Infiltrate, scout, shrouded, Desperate Stand, Patient Hunter

Desperate Stand: when an enemy declares a charge against a Company Marksman he may use his full Ballistics Skill to Overwatch, and each successful wound (regardless of armour saves) grants the CM another shot.

Patient Hunter: Hadian snipers are trained to observe their opponents, sometimes for days, before striking. If a unit with this rule does not shoot, move or assault for a turn then he gains +2 BS on the next turn.

Lucarikx wrote:Heres my shot at a SM HQ.

Hes the equivalent of a Chapter Master for my Aztec SM

Spoiler:

Teska Etzkoatl, The Obsidian Serpent

The First Tlatoani, Great Cheif of the Sons of Sotek

WS:6 BS:5 S:4 T:4 W:4 A:4 I:5 LD:10

Wargear: Storm Shield, Krak/Frag Grenades, Artificer Armor, Orbital Bombardment

Chapter Relics:

Jaguar Cloak: Grants Eternal Warrior

Snake Mace: Melee Weapon:

S: +1 User AP2 Concussive

Special Rules: ATSKNF, Chapter Tactics (Sons of Sotek)

Heart-taker: Teska must accept and issue challenges in combat. For each character Teska kills in a challenge, he gains another atttack.

Warlord Trait: Master of Offence (Furious Charge in enemy Deployment Zone)

Chapter Tactics (Sons of Sotek):

Children of the Snake: Melee weapons have Poisioned(5+). Chararacters have Poisioned (4+) instead.

I was thinking 200~?

I'm thinking I put way too much on him, lol.

Lucarikx

NeoAigaion wrote:Supreme Commander Adamas Velen of the Iron Hearts (working Chapter title)

Spoiler:

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 LD10 SV2+

Wargear:
- The Burning Blade (as per C:SM)
- The Eternity Shield (as per C:SM)
- Iron Warplate (Tartaros Terminator Armour with Inviolate Armour rule from HH:M, which reduces the Strength of all shooting attacks made against him by -1)

Special Rules:
- Independent Character
- ATSKNF
- Chapter Tactics (Iron Hands)

Points estimated would be appreciated.

CalasTyphon216 wrote:
Helios Demosthenes, Captain of the 2nd Company, Minotaurs Chapter

Helios Demosthenes is one of the most vaunted stars of the Minotaurs. A member of Asterion Moloc's inner circle, he has a reputation as an intuitive tactician, far-sighted strategist, and a vicious and merciless duelist. Widely regarded as the man most likely to succeed Moloc should he finally fall, he has led his company to victory after victory. Most recently, he participated in the destruction of the traitorous Night Reapers chapter, personally besting their chapter master in single combat.

260 points

Type: Infantry (character)

Composition: 1 (unique)

WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I6 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: Artificer armour, Iron halo, frag and krak grenades

Archaeotech pistol: A rare relic of the Horus Heresy. Range 18 S6 AP2 Pistol Sniper Get's Hot

Sunfury: This is a power sabre with a rare, powerful force field generator, allowing it to be far more overcharged than a regular power sword. When it comes in contact with foes it discharges the power field much in the same way as a thunder hammer, breaking both armor and flesh. Melee S+2 AP2 Blind Concussive

Special Rules: Independent Character, Minotaurs Chapter

Slayer of Champions: Demosthenes must issue and accept all challenges, even if there is another character in the same unit. He gains +1 to hit and +1 to wound in all challenges.

Warlord Trait: Demonsthenes' controlling player seizes the initiative on a 4+

 Ovion wrote:

CalasTyphon216 wrote:
Helios Demosthenes, Captain of the 2nd Company, Minotaurs Chapter

Helios Demosthenes is one of the most vaunted stars of the Minotaurs. A member of Asterion Moloc's inner circle, he has a reputation as an intuitive tactician, far-sighted strategist, and a vicious and merciless duelist. Widely regarded as the man most likely to succeed Moloc should he finally fall, he has led his company to victory after victory. Most recently, he participated in the destruction of the traitorous Night Reapers chapter, personally besting their chapter master in single combat.

260 points

Type: Infantry (character)

Composition: 1 (unique)

WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I6 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: Artificer armour, Iron halo, frag and krak grenades

Archaeotech pistol: A rare relic of the Horus Heresy. Range 18 S6 AP2 Pistol Sniper Get's Hot

Sunfury: This is a power sabre with a rare, powerful force field generator, allowing it to be far more overcharged than a regular power sword. When it comes in contact with foes it discharges the power field much in the same way as a thunder hammer, breaking both armor and flesh. Melee S+2 AP2 Blind Concussive

Special Rules: Independent Character, Minotaurs Chapter

Slayer of Champions: Demosthenes must issue and accept all challenges, even if there is another character in the same unit. He gains +1 to hit and +1 to wound in all challenges.

Warlord Trait: Demonsthenes' controlling player seizes the initiative on a 4+

Costing:[spoiler]Space Marine Captain: 90
+1WS +10
+1I +10
+1A +10
Artificer Armour +20
+A.Pistol +20
+Sunfury:
+Power Maul +15
+2AP +20
+Blind +10
+Slayer of Champions +5
+Warlord Trait +20[Spoiler]Total: 230

I would like to point out (yet again - why do people keep doing this!), that the Sniper Rule cancels out the Strength of a weapon, which is why it is always StrX.
A Sniper weapon will always wound on a 4+, and when shooting at Vehicles, it is always treated as Str3.

Company Marksman

Slot: Elite

Points Cost: ???75???

Ws:3 Bs:6 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:3 A:1 LD:8 SV:5+ Type: In(Ch)

Wargear: Hades Longlas, CCW, flack armor, camo cloak

Hades Longlas: a specially made Longlas rifle that uses heavily modified beam focus optics to increase power and render the beam invisible to the naked eye.
Range: 36” S:x Ap:6 Type: Rapid Fire, Sniper

Special Rules: Infiltrate, Scout, Patient Hunter, Desperate Stand

Patient Hunter: If a unit with this rule doesn’t move during the movement phase his ballistic skill will be counted as +1 during the turn’s shooting phase.

Desperate Stand: It is common practice among Hadian snipers to try to pull off point blank headshots as foes close on them. When an enemy declares a charge against a Company Marksman he counts his BS as 2 with no armour saves allowed on a roll of six.

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:
Alright I made a couple of changes and the more I tweak the better the character looks

Company Marksman

Slot: Elite

Points Cost: ???75???

Ws:3 Bs:6 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:3 A:1 LD:8 SV:5+ Type: In(Ch)

Wargear: Hades Longlas, CCW, flack armor, camo cloak

Hades Longlas: a specially made Longlas rifle that uses heavily modified beam focus optics to increase power and render the beam invisible to the naked eye.
Range: 36” S:x Ap:6 Type: Rapid Fire, Sniper

Special Rules: Infiltrate, Scout, Patient Hunter, Desperate Stand

Patient Hunter: If a unit with this rule doesn’t move during the movement phase his ballistic skill will be counted as +1 during the turn’s shooting phase.

Desperate Stand: It is common practice among Hadian snipers to try to pull off point blank headshots as foes close on them. When an enemy declares a charge against a Company Marksman he counts his BS as 2 with no armour saves allowed on a roll of six.

mad_eddy_13 wrote:Alright I made a couple of changes and the more I tweak the better the character looks

Company Marksman

Slot: Elite

Points Cost: ???75???

Ws:3 Bs:6 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:3 A:1 LD:8 SV:5+ Type: In(Ch)

Wargear: Hades Longlas, CCW, flack armor, camo cloak

Hades Longlas: a specially made Longlas rifle that uses heavily modified beam focus optics to increase power and render the beam invisible to the naked eye.
Range: 36” S:x Ap:6 Type: Rapid Fire, Sniper

Special Rules: Infiltrate, Scout, Patient Hunter, Desperate Stand

Patient Hunter: If a unit with this rule doesn’t move during the movement phase his ballistic skill will be counted as +1 during the turn’s shooting phase.

Desperate Stand: It is common practice among Hadian snipers to try to pull off point blank headshots as foes close on them. When an enemy declares a charge against a Company Marksman he counts his BS as 2 with no armour saves allowed on a roll of six.

NeoAigaion wrote:@ Ovion: Tartaros Terminator Armour allows Sweeping Advances but reduces the Invulnerable save to 6+ (something about trading protection for mobility).

"Inviolate Armour" fitted well with this I thought, as the armour worn by Adamas Velen could be a relic under the care of the chapter. Unlike the Iron Hands in 30K, in this instance it would only be limited to one character.