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Cheers, mate! I am really happy with the Apothecary, even though he's still at the pretty early WIP stage. That head is from the AdMech Skitarii Rangers/Vanguard kit, btw.


A small update: The refurbished Iron Warrior now has a base:



I think I'll leave him like this. Like I said, the model is ancient, so it doesn't exactly warrant a full repaint -- I'd rather use that energy on a new model

Speaking of which, there has been a bit of progress on the champ:





He'll still need quite a bit of work until I can call him finished, but we are certainly getting there.

As always, let me know what you think!

I'm always so annoyed by those apothecary tool gauntlet things. They just don't look like, well, anything like what they're supposedly used for. 'least a 'urty syringe is syringe shaped.

Okay, I HAVE to know what recipe you use for the armor trim. XD And I LOVE that Apothecary so far, even if he has a fleshhead And my own Warsmith character has a tendency to mess with genetic stuff - hence his nickname, the Genesmith. XD

Also, did that optic on the champion's backpack also come from the new Mechanicus kits?

I'm a little late to the thread seeing as I just joined this forum 2 days ago but I just wanted to say your defiler conversion is super sweet! I have always played Khorne armies except for one time when I betrayed my dark lord and tried out a Sister's of Battle army. Khorne showed his wrath as he saw fit by letting me lose that entire army to a man (woman).

I'm adoring your iron warriors, it's great to see you making more inspirational models, but with the sons of perturabo!


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Most of all i LOVE the apothecary, the head is a great option

Thanks for the kind words, guys!

@ Kepora: The trim is a really easy recipe: A basecoat of Warplock Bronze, then a generous wash of Gryphonne Sepia, then drybrush with Brass Scorpion, then a final highlight with a 50:50 mix of Brass Scorpion and Mithril Silver, where applicable. Oh, and that optic bit was actually cut from a Tempestus Scion torso

Oh, and I am really happy with the Skitarii head on the Apothecary -- glad you guys like it as well!

Anyway, I did some more cleanup work on the Iron Warriors champion, and he's mostly finished now, except for some final touchups and the base:







And here's what the beginning of the actual Killteam look like right now:



As always, let me know what you think!

Great looking warband!the champion came out really nice. I never had a closer look on the iron warriors upgrade kit, but they torsos look really cool.
Looking forward for the apothecarius.

is that trim recipie the same as you used on your truescale loyalist marine

Cheers, guys!

@ Boba Fett: I was lucky enough to pick up some of those torso pieces as part of an ebay auction quite a while ago, and I think they still hold up rather well -- they would be a great fit for Iron Hands as well, come to think of it.

@ kencotter: Yeah, it's basically the same approach, only that I kept drybrushing the true scale Marine until I ended up with a fairly even, almost golden coat of paint. But the colours and basic approach are very much the same.

As it happens, I cannot seem to stop converting new Iron Warriors at the moment. The beautiful thing about this being a small Killteam, though, is that I can use that to explore all of the Iron Warriors archetypes I like. Here are the next two team members:



On the right is the Apothecary you already know, although I did some slight cleanups on this guy. On the left is a new model, because you cannot have an Iron Warriors Killteam without a massive Breacher guy, can you?



As always, let me know what you think!

Very cool! The apothecary is great; that head works perfectly in this context.

I really like the breacher too, especially his helmet. Although that shield will make your life difficult when it comes time to painting — it's the perfect surface for big warning chevrons but it will be fiddly painting around the details . The only thing is he seems a bit short-torsoed, at least in these photos, and I wonder if he'd look a bit more imposing and proportional with a few mm of plasticard spacers at his waste.

Good stuff! Though to be honest, I was expecting someone bigger.

That being said, think you'll make an Iron Warrior that uses parts from the Skullreapers? Maybe someone who's spent one too many cigarette-breaks with the World Eaters.

I've never quite understood where you Marine guys get the idea that they actually have distinct personalities, much less what those personalities are.

Can any of you elaborate?

Not sure what you mean. They're individuals, not a hivemind. They have differing experiences, outlooks and opinions, each and every single one.

Nice conversion work as always Kraut! And I really love the paintjob on the Iron Warriors!

Really, don't stop converting them!!! And painting!!! Oh, and remember to look back to your first few posts. See how far you've come along!

The breacher looks great! Where is the head from?
I really like how you captured the essence of the army.: prepared and equipped for every situation.
Great killteam!
Keep up the good work
Btw: have you seen the mold line on the handle?

theNublet wrote:
Not sure what you mean. They're individuals, not a hivemind. They have differing experiences, outlooks and opinions, each and every single one.

Well, I understand that. It's just that, the whole 'indoctrination' thing suggests that the furthest any single one of them is going to differ from a squadmate is going to be about the level of 'different people' that you get between a good-day and a bad-day in a single guardsman.

More than that, though, is the whole 'This guy is a Breacher, so he has a mace and shield' or "This faction prefers using Heavy Bolters with slightly longer barrels" sort of stuff- how/where do you get that from a page of color-swapped profiles of the same suit of armour and a couple battle doctrines?

Anvildude wrote:

theNublet wrote:
Not sure what you mean. They're individuals, not a hivemind. They have differing experiences, outlooks and opinions, each and every single one.

Well, I understand that. It's just that, the whole 'indoctrination' thing suggests that the furthest any single one of them is going to differ from a squadmate is going to be about the level of 'different people' that you get between a good-day and a bad-day in a single guardsman.

More than that, though, is the whole 'This guy is a Breacher, so he has a mace and shield' or "This faction prefers using Heavy Bolters with slightly longer barrels" sort of stuff- how/where do you get that from a page of color-swapped profiles of the same suit of armour and a couple battle doctrines?

Books and fluff in the codex.

Cheers for the feedback, guys!

@ weirdingway: I have already painted one of those shields, and I suppose the trick is to first paint it all in a solid yellow and black chevron design, then block out and paint the decoration, chaos icnonography etc. afterwards -- at least it has worked pretty well that way on my Warsmith. As for the torso length, I think the problem is that this particular pair of legs is very straight compared to the usual, slightly crouched position we see on Space Marines. The torso still seems proportionate enough to me, though .-- at least, he's not shorter than the model's original torso.

@ theNublet: Hmm, while I won't rule out anything at this point, I don't think these guys will get too Khornate bitz-wise: I still want them to look chaotic, but a different flavour of chaotic from my usual World Eaters, if that makes any sense

@ Anvildude: Now, as for the different character of Space Marine Legions or individual Space Marines, here's my take:

I'll admit that Space Marines may seem a bit samey if seen from the outside, but I think many different sources describe them as individuals, albeit in the framework of a given Legion: While the indoctrination and training may be the same, I would think the individual Astartes is still shaped by his experience and basic outlook on life. That goes double for the Traitor Legions who are far less regimented and standardised at this point. Looking beyond the individuals, one thing I believe GW has done pretty well is to differentiate the different legions (in the background, at least), which is why exploring the various archetypes can be so much fun, at least for me: World Eaters, for instance, are massive and fearsome warriors, yet they are also kinda feral and gladiatorial. Iron Warriors are just as fierce, but in a more detached, clinical way: They are all about superior armament and wars of attrition. Bitter and resentful, with lots of cold brutality. Emperor's Children are outlandish and proud, all about pride in their excellence and depraved and new sensations on the other hand. Word Bearers are covered in devotional oath papers and icons, yet also priestly and serene: Yes, they are definitely in it "for the evulz", but they are also holy warriors, thinking themselves vindicated by the Primordial Truth and filled with a zeal and faith that come from utter religious fanaticism: They think they are actually saving you, even if it means sending you to hell (very literally). The list goes on and on. For better or worse, we have moved beyond "a page of color-swapped profiles of the same suit of armour and a couple battle doctrines"a long time ago (again, mostly in the fluff and not so much in the rules, unfortunately).

The background for this exists -- and has existed for a long time. And it's fun to try and make these guys as samey as Marines should be, yet as individual as they can be -- especially when they are veterans of the Long War. But that's just my take on things.

@ Boba Fett: Yeah, there are quie a few moldlines and rough areas which will need to be sorted out before painting. Thanks for pointing it out, though!

Hmm, if I had known there's be no more replies, I would have saved myself the trouble of typing out that wall of text...

So anyway, here's another small update on the Killteam:

The Champion is now completed:









So here are the first three finished members of the Killteam:



And the entire project so far:





In keeping with my current fascination with the 4th legion, I also bought the "Storm of Iron" ebook yesterday

As always, let me know what you think!

Nice, really digging the Breacher guy and the Lord with their giant beatsticks!

That is really nice!

Heh. Sorry 'bout that.

So by 'fluff' do you mean books? Like, I know that a ton of the original Tomb Kings fluff from their first army book wasn't included in the hardcover next version- And of course there's all the Black Library stuff, I suppose, but I thought that was almost all from the POV of Loyalists.

Awesome conversions and paint jobs, as always!

Cheers, guys!

@ Anvildude: These days there are tons of supplementary material, both about the loyalists and the traitor legions. The BL publications would be an obvious place to start, but it has to be said that the books tend to vary in quality from excellent to pretty awful. I've learned to go with authors that will invariably deliver quality content (Dan Abnett, obviously, as well as Aaron Dembski-Bowden and, to a slightly lesser degree, Graham McNeill. Some of the stuff from Matthew Farrer is also excellent). Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Night Lords Trilogy is the obvious best practice for giving compelling characterisations for both a legion and its members without falling victim to some of the more hokey elements of the background.

Andy Smilie's Flesh Tearers stories are good for Space Marine characterisations as well. Amit Is presented quite well in Flesh Of Cretacia

Those Iron Warriors are looking awesome! very distinctive compared to your Word Eaters

I'm jealous of the number of Dark Vengeance models you have to chop up for this. XD

I want another set of DV. I may actually get one soon.

I'll have to second Kepora on his jealousy
Great IW killteam though, I really like the uniformity given by the chest, it makes them look more like an actually organized military force than a chaotic warband. I also really like the Apothecary's head
Though i'll have to say (not that you don't already know it, and not to be a ) that the former icon bearer doesn't fit very well in the unit...

Hello KrautScientist, brilliant stuff in there, just registered properly to dakka, but this thread and your inq28 stuff have been on my lurk list for a while.
Anyway, nice take on these Iron Warriors, good way to combine marine awesomeness and battlefield practicality. Can't wait to see the two new guys complete.