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**pretre**

Right, I understand that and that's why that maxim exists. You cannot disembark sister squads unless you plan to lose them. If you're playing an objective mission, this means you can't disembark sisters squads because of this until the last turn to take objectives.

Hence 'She who bails, fails.'

This is different if you bring foot squads but has served me well as a reminder in my games. Everytime I forget it, it comes back to bite me in the ass.

**frgsinwntr**

I have to disagree... Jumping out of the rhino at the wrOng time is fail... But not always.

In fact... My sisters loved being out of the rhinos... I could double melta flyers and snap fire a str 6 grenade up... It's pretty hilarious just how much better basic sister units got with grenades... Sure they still are weak... But they aren't bad. I'd never bring less than 40 battle sisters in a list however... You need the meat.

**pretre**

frgsinwntr wrote:
I have to disagree... Jumping out of the rhino at the wrOng time is fail... But not always.

In fact... My sisters loved being out of the rhinos... I could double melta flyers and snap fire a str 6 grenade up... It's pretty hilarious just how much better basic sister units got with grenades... Sure they still are weak... But they aren't bad. I'd never bring less than 40 battle sisters in a list however... You need the meat.

It is a silly maxim mostly to remind me to be very careful. I would completely agree on grenades though. I remember when the WD codex came out and I was so happy about free grenades and certain posters disagreed that they were worth anything. Who's laughing now?

**Vindicare-Obsession**

This is a silly question but why the maxim? Does it apply to us any mroe than it would the IG? Or is it just a curse on us? I run easy bake so disembarking is kinda a thing with me

**Shandara**

Well I'd assume it is because you free your opponent from having to destroy the transport first to kill your troops.

Also T3 and an utter inability to fight off anything in close combat makes our troops very vulnerable out in the open.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

So it does apply to IG as well, they just have more bodies to throw to the meat grinder. I though I might've been missing something.

**pretre**

Shandara wrote:
Well I'd assume it is because you free your opponent from having to destroy the transport first to kill your troops.

Also T3 and an utter inability to fight off anything in close combat makes our troops very vulnerable out in the open.

Shandara is correct. In an objective mission, it is rare that you would be in a position to disembark your girls, kill something and not be charged/shot to death in retaliation.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

T3 is a bitter reality, even with a 3+. I dont suppose you could Hull-Block with the vehicle? I know its something I've been kicking around in my head for my Heavy Flamer units. Not to mention having 4 heavy flamers in a unit is a really nice deterrent to someone charging you. "Come at me Bro!"

On a side note, I fought Nurgle Chaos/Daemons and got utterly destroyed. Has any come against a nurgle themed chaos/daemons list yet? Epidemius is really a nasty character. FNP on a 3+ to all nurgle models, AP 2 on all nurgle cc, 2+ poison on all nurgle attacks in cc and shooting. Gross.

**pretre**

For him to get to that point, you have to have lost a lot of models or he has to be using the grot trick though.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

I have been told the grot trick is illegal. Not to mention the 2+ poison is only 10 kills in.

**pretre**

Okay, but if he is going heavy nurgle, he is slow. Scoot and shoot and you'll avoid almost everything he has. Bring all the firepower in your army on one unit at a time and they will fall.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

Yeah. I think my problem was that I was running flamer heavy like I always do and I wasnt ready for those T5 models. I don't think plauge marines are SaP though...

**pretre**

No, but depending on how he takes them, they are slow. Unless they are in a rhino and then they can't assault you. Most daemon armies are nasty because they can weather the drop and then chase you down. Nurgle just weathers the drop and hopes for the best.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

Wounderful. The really big killer what that he was running 2 units of daemonettes and get them into cc early, then when nurgle arrived he jumped out of the combat and let the nurgle daemons take over. Not to mention the Nurgle L-Claw terminators were a pain to deal with. I run very little ap2 in my list. Maybe thats something I should adjust for.....

Hmmmmmm

**pretre**

You don't have exorcists and melta in your list???

Terminators are usually the easiest thing for a balanced SOB list to deal with.

As for the daemonettes, bubblewrap with a conclave or penitents and laugh hysterically as they die.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

I do run exorcists but the assault vehicle capacity for their LR made them difficult to shoot before they attacked me.

**pretre**

In a LR? Easy enough, move an Immo in front of it and block it. Pop or hit with the doms/immo, hose down the termies with exos.

With all of those toys, taking Epidemius actually seems like a bad choice as that's a lot of non-nurgle on the table. edit just reread Epid, he gives it to Marks of N as well, so at least those Marines and Termies get it. Still, seems like a small elite army, something we excel at dealing with.
Most of dealing with any kind of list is practice.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

Maybe it was bad positioning on my part. Things just seemed to get where I didnt want them very fast. I wasnt ready to deal with how quickly a Daemon army is on your doorstep, as well as how insanely tough Nurgle is if oyu let it get out of control.

**pretre**

Yeah, when you aren't used to or prepared for a list it can really bite you in the butt. Daemons were my worst nightmare for a while with sisters.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

I'm really missing having the Vindi in our codex because he would make it so easy to deal with marks. Snipers to replace him wouldnt've been so bad even if its not cannon. I might have to adjust so that I run more melta and less flamer...

What really got me miserable was how inneffective my seraphs were. I was wounding them on 6's no matter what I did weather ti was hand flamers or cc. T^T

**pretre**

Reroll wounds helps there, but yeah, the hand flamer part stinks. Luckily, Celestine wounds on 4's.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

Should I run them with infernos then?

**pretre**

Not unless you plan on just playing against that guy over and over again. In almost every situation, the Hand Flamers are superior. You just found one where they aren't.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

What do you think of the seraphs as tank killers? I know they used to be really good at it when they could double tap.

**pretre**

They can still be good at it. Most folks run a Seraph squad with 8-10 Seraphs, 2 Hand Flamers and a Superior with either a Melta Bomb or Eviscerator. Move up on a tank and then assault it or a bunch of them. 7-9 Krak grenades + MB/Evis is going to make a mess. Inferno pistols just are too expensive and don't jive well with their act of faith.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

It seems like they scarmbled alot of AoF in this edition. I perfer the old rules to be honest. As long as you managed your fiath pool well it was easy to use.

**pretre**

Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
It seems like they scarmbled alot of AoF in this edition. I perfer the old rules to be honest. As long as you managed your fiath pool well it was easy to use.

It's all the same to me. They will change it again in 5 years when they give us a new book. My favorite set was Codex: Chapter Approved, but that's all water under the bridge. Best focus on what we have rather than what we had.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

Like we have sisters of repentia who are suddenly alot more bad-ass then they were 6 months ago

Use them at all now? Or does the I-1 still kill? Maybe if you ran them with the jacobs....

**pretre**

Jacobs is a waste on Repentia since they already have FNP. Some of the other regulars here have better luck with Reps than I do, but I mainly think that you are better served with a conclave or more of anything else in your army other than repentia. Maybe if we started going up over 2k with only one FOC I would want to take some, but I rarely go that high and if I did, I would go two FOC.

There's basically better stuff than repentia everywhere else.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

Hmmmm
I do like thair faith power though. If nothing else its a pain to deal with getting hit by something thats already dead.