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Yeah, 9 PEs is scary. Personally? I would recommend swapping the Repentia for Dominions (and dropping the Immo's from the sister squads).

Scout the Dominions up to get some melta (PEs have flame templates covered ) in your opponent's face immediately. This forces your opponent to focus on the suicide Doms for at least a turn, buying your PEs some precious time to navigate the table. Otherwise, even with 9, being really the only "armor" you have I am not sure enough will make it into combat with something to make a difference.

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
Pre- When are you planning on doing that SW/Sisters combo? I'd love to hear how it turns out.:

Painting it now. 4 rd event on oct 13th. I'll let you guys know. Just won a store rtt yesterday with biker orks lol.

Man there is some great info in this thread

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 Ovion wrote:
Funny that most of the specail characters (hell, pretty much all) don't really get me excited... I think their only real claim to fame is that they're actually cheaper / better than the regular HQ options. xD

Love the Repentia / Penitent Engines though.

Anyhoo - 1500pts list: Thoughts appreciated.

HQ:
Jacobus - 90
ELITES:
3x 6 Repentia, 1 Mistress - 375
TROOPS:
2x 9 Battle Sisters w/ 1 Heavy Bolter, 1 Sister Superior - 260
HEAVY SUPPORT:
3x 3 Penitent Engines - 765
1487

At 1500 you might pull it off, just because there's not as much shooting. Beware though - against an army that likes to camp in back and shoot, you won't have much fun. I love all those units, but they are fragile, relatively slow, and have no range. I rely pretty heavily on distractions to keep fire off them - which generally means fast attack or heavy support slots. I also never walk my Reps without a vehicle or Seraphim squad to escort them. It might work, but my gut has always told me not to try it out. I've run the 9 PE, maxed Reps list - it either works BIG or some IG gunline player starts giving you condescending advice you are in no mood to hear as you pack away model after model.

 Hollowman wrote:
it either works BIG or some IG gunline player starts giving you condescending advice you are in no mood to hear as you pack away model after model.

Why can't people let me play my army? I mean if I needed someone to tell me how to play my army then 9/10 I probably wouldnt be playing it myself. I got this when I did the last Ard' and I took 3rd crons. Some Eldar Player did a last turn snatch and grab to contest every objective but one and I lost. I mena, there was only so much one could do against that many skimmmers while 3rd necrons.

With Eldar you really need to shut down there mobility. Focus fire and put them on foot its a clean up mission after that.

So, and bear with me as I'm still learning sisters here, the only reason Cannonesses are considered bad is because their cost is almost the same as special characters that have special abilities right? Because other than the cost thing, they still appear to be solid choices if one truly wanted to run them.

Is there something I'm missing here? I'm not worried about making an uber face smhshing list, as I'm just taking the sisters for fun games and would like to take a normal canoness for fluff and modeling reasons more than anything. I know you can stick her on a quad gun but I'd much rather use her running around with a squad or something like she's "supposed" to be doing.

They are costly. They have no clear role as they do not shoot or assault very well. Their faith power has a very limited role.

The only thing they are good at is getting a Command Squad or babysitting an ally.

As far as I can see, it's because a reasonably kitted out Cannoness / Ecclesiarchy Priest isn't as good and costs more than the equivalent Special Characters.

Almost completely opposite to every other codex! : D

MrMoustaffa wrote:So, and bear with me as I'm still learning sisters here, the only reason Cannonesses are considered bad is because their cost is almost the same as special characters that have special abilities right? Because other than the cost thing, they still appear to be solid choices if one truly wanted to run them.

Is there something I'm missing here? I'm not worried about making an uber face smhshing list, as I'm just taking the sisters for fun games and would like to take a normal canoness for fluff and modeling reasons more than anything. I know you can stick her on a quad gun but I'd much rather use her running around with a squad or something like she's "supposed" to be doing.

pretre wrote:They are costly. They have no clear role as they do not shoot or assault very well. Their faith power has a very limited role.

The only thing they are good at is getting a Command Squad or babysitting an ally.

Ovion wrote:As far as I can see, it's because a reasonably kitted out Cannoness / Ecclesiarchy Priest isn't as good and costs more than the equivalent Special Characters.

Almost completely opposite to every other codex! : D

Pretty much the above. What does a Canoness really do for us? Not much. In order to compete with the cheap cost of the other SC HQ choices, a Canoness would need to do something amazing (which she doesn't) or cost significantly less point-wise (which she doesn't). The one quick and easy "fix" I see that would maybe make her worth it would be that taking a Canoness would allow Celestians to be taken as troops. But that's just wish-listing at this point.

ok so its mainly that are just way better priced things in that slot. Kind of like how every IG fast attack choice is just completely over shadowed by the vendetta. I'll probably use her a bit then, since I dont really want to use the special characters if I can. If I ever do take them to a tourney, I might take that Uriah guy, but that'd be about it.

Thanks guys, just wanted to know what to expect. Now I know not to be amazed, but she's not as bad as something like ratlings

Anybody got any tips for fun loadouts to try with her?

Double pistols is pretty hilarious.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
ok so its mainly that are just way better priced things in that slot. Kind of like how every IG fast attack choice is just completely over shadowed by the vendetta. I'll probably use her a bit then, since I dont really want to use the special characters if I can. If I ever do take them to a tourney, I might take that Uriah guy, but that'd be about it.

Thanks guys, just wanted to know what to expect. Now I know not to be amazed, but she's not as bad as something like ratlings

Anybody got any tips for fun loadouts to try with her?

Just put her with power axe and power sword and a rosary with celestines and Uriah....LOL

Umm. That's 3 HQs and she is waaaay too expensive then.

It's fine at 2000pts

Of all the things to do with double FOC, you'll take a canoness? ouch.

I have a question about the picking which power weapon variant I want.

Can I make Krivnov's Mace (stranded power weapon pre 6th) a power axe?

 Spidey0804 wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
ok so its mainly that are just way better priced things in that slot. Kind of like how every IG fast attack choice is just completely over shadowed by the vendetta. I'll probably use her a bit then, since I dont really want to use the special characters if I can. If I ever do take them to a tourney, I might take that Uriah guy, but that'd be about it.

Thanks guys, just wanted to know what to expect. Now I know not to be amazed, but she's not as bad as something like ratlings

Anybody got any tips for fun loadouts to try with her?

Just put her with power axe and power sword and a rosary with celestines and Uriah....LOL

Last i checked she can only get a power sword.

I was thinking about power sword/eviscerator just for the heck of it. and a rosarius of course.

They swapped it so that power sword was power weapon in the FAQ.

A canoness would be nice with a jump pack. The lack of this option is the most annoying/silly thing in the WD dex, especially compared with the options marine vanilla HQs get. The second most annoying thing is dropping seraphim to I3.

Apart from that it's great fun!

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
ok so its mainly that are just way better priced things in that slot. Kind of like how every IG fast attack choice is just completely over shadowed by the vendetta. I'll probably use her a bit then, since I dont really want to use the special characters if I can. If I ever do take them to a tourney, I might take that Uriah guy, but that'd be about it.

Thanks guys, just wanted to know what to expect. Now I know not to be amazed, but she's not as bad as something like ratlings

Anybody got any tips for fun loadouts to try with her?

Double Pistol as pretre stated is fun and somewhat viable now with Gunslingers. If you want cheap but can do something, take a Combi-weapon. When I ran Canonesses, I usually had them kitted out with Inferno Pistol and Eviscerator and Rosarius. Really depends on how many points you want to spend on her, what role she is going to have, and with whom (if anyone) she's going to roll with. You can make a somewhat shoot-y Canoness or a somewhat CC-oriented Canoness or a mix somewhere in between. Running her with Repentia? Take an Eviscerator. Attaching her to BSS? Take a Combi/Pistol that fits that squads role. Catching a ride with Celestians? Pistol and Power Weapon. But again, this is based on taking the less "optimal" options we have for HQ. Have fun with it!

 troy_tempest wrote:
The second most annoying thing is dropping seraphim to I3.

Unless I am mistaken, and someone correct me if I am, the reason we are mainly I3 is that, Whereas marines "Wear" power armor like clothes, we are far from super human so we do less "wearing" and more "Carrying". I belive the I3 is supposed to represent that we are not superhuman like them, and we suffer for that by bearing the armors weight.

Alright so I need some help, love playing the sisters and have been having a good run with them, not a perfect win rate but still damn nice. Except against one army. Grey knights I can handle, Necrons I can handle, Blood Angels, Space marines, orks, etc. Most everything I seem to be able to do well against, except Tyranids.

Tyranids is the one army I seem to be having the most trouble with and I'm looking for advice. Not really after list help but more just general strategies, target priorities and ways to deal with things like Ymgarls & a swarm lord.

 pretre wrote:

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
Pre- When are you planning on doing that SW/Sisters combo? I'd love to hear how it turns out.:

Painting it now. 4 rd event on oct 13th. I'll let you guys know. Just won a store rtt yesterday with biker orks lol.

Played the SW/Sisters combo in my garage yesterday against 90 shoota boys, 2 dakkajets, 4 MANZ, Warboss, Lootas, Tankbustas, Aegis, Weirdboy. Crusade with 5th edition quarters deployment. Yikes, Aegis is nasty. Made a lot of boys evaporate, GH with Priest didn't come in until Turn 4. Ugh. Bastion got blown up by the S10 Melta power and I lost 13 sisters to the blast. Pulled out a win on 6, game went to 7. I was losing on 5. Couldn't make a save to save my life, but my turn 6 luck completely turned it around. Rets were champs. SB on the Superior took the last two wounds off the Warboss. Ignored the fliers and focused on troops. Celestine was insane.

Overall, a great test game and it gives me some things to work on for the event.

 Madcat87 wrote:
Alright so I need some help, love playing the sisters and have been having a good run with them, not a perfect win rate but still damn nice. Except against one army. Grey knights I can handle, Necrons I can handle, Blood Angels, Space marines, orks, etc. Most everything I seem to be able to do well against, except Tyranids.

Tyranids is the one army I seem to be having the most trouble with and I'm looking for advice. Not really after list help but more just general strategies, target priorities and ways to deal with things like Ymgarls & a swarm lord.

Hmmm.... If you are playing against swarm nids you really shouldnt have a problem.... just flame the crap out of everything. Nid-Zilla is a different story. The biggest problem I have with Nid-Zilla is that only one of my armies can handle the sheer number of multi-wound models on the field. If Nid-Zilla is your bane the only thing you can really keep in mind to help you out is that an exorcist will ID warriors (Which are very expensive to lose). Other than that, you have a problem on your hands because only my GK's can handle Nid-ZIlla. My sisters have never won a game against that kind of list.

@Madcat87: What's your list?

1500 points though I play some variation of this depending on the points level.

HQ:
Saint Celestine

Troops:
BSS - Flamer, Meltagun, Superior w/Combi-melta, Power Sword, Melta bombs, Repressor
BSS - Flamer, Meltagun, Superior w/Combi-melta, Power Sword, Melta bombs, Repressor

Fast:
Seraphim Squad - 5 additional Seraphim, 2 x Dual hand flamers, Superior w/Melta bombs, Power sword
Dominion Squad - Flamer, Melta, Superior w/Combi-Melta, Melta bombs, Immolator w/TL-Multi-melta, Searchlight
Dominion Squad - Flamer, Melta, Superior w/Combi-Melta, Melta bombs, Immolator w/TL-Multi-melta, Searchlight

Heavy:
Retributor Squad - 3 additional Retributors, 4 x Heavy Bolter, Simulacrum Imperialis, Superior w/Storm bolter
Exorcist - Searchlight

Fortification:
Aegis Defence Line - Quad-gun

This is the list I've been running recently and having some good luck with but have yet to play it against nids. I know on paper this looks like I should have no problems so I figure it must be something to do with my tactics. I have noticed recently that when I'm too aggressive with my Seraphim on the initial turns they get destroyed so I've been holding them back behind the Aegis and playing more reactively with them once the enemy is closer. Perhaps I should be doing that with the rest of my army.

Not sure what the cost of a repressor vs rhino is but if you drop out some if your upgrades (power swords on S3 models are rarely worth it) you might be able to get another Exo. Nids are mostly just shoot the big ones. Most of the time we have enough ap1 that big bugs don't last long.

Power swords are just there to fill out points, can't say they ever get used. Dropping the Repressors to Rhino's would be a hard choice as I've had really good success with them but that plus dropping a lot of other upgrades that generally don't get used I could potentially squeeze in another Exorcist. I will consider it.

 pretre wrote:
Not sure what the cost of a repressor vs rhino is but if you drop out some if your upgrades (power swords on S3 models are rarely worth it) you might be able to get another Exo. Nids are mostly just shoot the big ones. Most of the time we have enough ap1 that big bugs don't last long.

Seconded. If you are already taking Melta Bombs, which can now be used on MCs, why take Power Swords on S3 models? Save yourself some points and drop them. Also, the Exorcist is one of the few vehicles we do not want to have a Search Light. I would recommend removing it. Also dunno on the point cost of a Repressor. Depending on how attached you are to your Repressors (and how many more points they are compared to a Rhino) you could downgrade your Repressors to Rhinos, drop the Power Swords, and possibly one or two of the "extra" bodies in your Ret Squad to get either another Ret Squad or another Exorcist. Either would be a good choice IMO, but the 2nd Ret Squad would stretch your Faith Points that much thinner.

Ymgarls will pretty much be able to assault and kill one unit unless you stay away from all terrain. You may get lucky with the Nid player getting poor rolls for charge range or you may get lucky on some Overwatch, but otherwise prepare to lose one unit to them and then kill them with fire/bolter shots. The Swarmlord can be another challenge. Just try to get some good shooting in with your Rets and Exorcists at range giving minimal, if any, cover. Enough high Str, low AP shots will down him. Celestine can try to tackle him or some of the other big bugs, but she will most likely be ID'd after a round of combat or two if you're lucky. As a general rule of thumb with Nids, do shoot the big ones first. Most of the smaller Nids will die to good ol' Bolter rounds. I hope this helps and good luck to you.