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Finally a use for the DA flyer! Looks good. Although it does seem to be a chubby (shorter) than the FW one.

Ovion wrote:Looking at the pictures, if you cut the wingtips off the Avenger just on the other side of the engines, and the tail off just before the rear fins, it'd be about the same size as your model.
A little shorter and thinner, and a little taller / fatter.

Ultimately, it's probably close enough as to make no difference I think.

Shandara wrote:Finally a use for the DA flyer! Looks good. Although it does seem to be a chubby (shorter) than the FW one.

Yeah, I want to find a local with one so I can compare them. I imagine it is a bit smaller than the Avenger but wider so the LOS profile should be about the same.

I think I posted the dimensions of my FW Avenger somewhere in this thread (or maybe it was another thread).

Ah found it:

IF you mean the Forgeworld Avenger Strike Fighter

Wingspan: 11 inches
Length: 9 1/2 inches
Rear wings' span: 5 inches
Engines' length: 3,5 inches

Wings 8.5 (9.5 if you follow the angles.
Length: 7.5-8
Rear tail: 4
Engines: 3
Model height (not counting stand): 4

I'm betting mine is chunkier and taller.


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Someone is convincing me to run 2 for a tourney. Lol

They're quite nice. I bought the new FW Voss Pattern Lightning to convert into a 2nd and have some variety.

They are very very fragile though, but they usually blow up what they target (or massacre whatever infantry they shoot). The cannon makes all the marines weep!

 pretre wrote:
Wings 8.5 (9.5 if you follow the angles.
Length: 7.5-8
Rear tail: 4
Engines: 3
Model height (not counting stand): 4

I'm betting mine is chunkier and taller.
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Someone is convincing me to run 2 for a tourney. Lol

I might do the same buy 2 for less than the cost of 1 sort of deal, and convert a pair when I actually get my sisters off the ground.

Gets a bit of air support going after all!

Inspiring conversions. I may wait for the expected update this summer and get me some.

I started painting my sisters. 100 models primed, 50 based, 4 started on the "learning" of my scheme. Can't wait to finish it, but I'm busy a lot right now, sadly.

Have you played any more games with SoB+IG allies? Any more insight? My newbie friend tried it out, but didn't do really well. Any tips on improving this list or advice on playstyle? F.e. what to do with the guarsmen blob, what psychic discipline is better overall for PP, general deployment and so on.

In general, the missions for the upcoming tournament will include various objective based as primary and kill points as secondary missions.

Current list:

HQ:
Primaris Psyker

Elite:
Marbo

Troops:
5 Platoon Command Squad (4x Flamer)
10 Infantry Squad (Power Axe)
10 Infantry Squad (Power Axe, MB)
10 Infantry Squad (Power Axe, MB)
10 Infantry Squad (Power Axe, MB, Autocannon)
10 Infantry Squad (Power Axe, MB, Autocannon)

FA:
Vendetta Gunship

HS:
Manticore Rocket Launcher

HQ:
Kyrinov
Uriah Jacobus

Troops:
10 Battle Sister Squad (meltagun, Multi-melta)
10 Battle Sister Squad (meltagun, Multi-melta)

HS:
Exorcist
Exorcist
5 Retributors (4x Heavy Bolters)

Fortification:
Bastion (Icarus Lascannon)

Note: only two HWTs are available, that's all that's available from IG (bar 1 Chimera and 1 Executioner). Also, no StC, because it's in my list. Other SoB models are available.

What's your plan?

Sisters are like squishy Marines -- they love metal boxes. Unless you're hiding them behind IG Infantry in hopes to get them close enough to use Melta, they're going to be a huge target.

Also, why both Crazy-pants and Uriah?

Matney X wrote:
W Crazy-pants and Uriah?

Is that the technical name for him now?

Hasn't it always been, or do I just spend too much time on 1d4chan?

The Primaris Psyker weapon discussion has me thinking about trying one again... I am really leaning towards giving the old Jacobus assassin-bomb another shot. These days my Seraphim are pretty much just serving as bullet magnets. Great for keeping the rest of the ladies alive, and they certainly decimate the one unit they flame, but even if opponents were not shooting them as they crossed the table - most will turn them to holy-slag when they see 40ish wounds dropped on a unit.

So, in the same vein of being able to just utterly make a unit disappear... I've come full circle back to Jacobus and crew. No rhino... just 5 Crusaders with Axes, 5 Assassins with Swords and Maces, Jacobus, and Celestine marching across the table. They hit harder, and have more staying power (especially led by Celestine... 2+ with FNP and the ability to LOS AP2 to a 3++ is just awesome). They are a huge bullet-magnet just like the Seraphim, and while they lose the 12" move... between running and actually wanting to charge, they are not too far behind.

I'm going to try sticking the Primaris Psyker in there (strongly leaning towards a mace/staff on her too) but I am torn as to what powers to grab. It is going to be case-by-case basis I fear... as lightning arc and nightshroud seem great in a lot of cases (all cases?) but some of the AP2 shooting from Biomancy (and enfeeble) could be worth it? What about the other disciplines?

Biomancy. Endurance is great for 'It will not die' on Jacobus and Celestine.

I feel like I would prefer Nightshroud to It Will Not Die... sure, gimmicky on Celestine, but Jacy should not be taking any wounds that need to be regenerated.

I guess it is what, 33% chance to regain a wound with Celestine vs 16% chance to utterly negate a squad's shooting phase?

Well... Nightshroud sounds cool, but it is just a leadership check. Plus Biomancy also has enfeeble and some good shooting.

Does anyone else find it humorous that one of the main reasons thus far given for non plastic sisters is because they are hard to model female warriors with flowing robes and armour,,,,,,,and yet,,,,the fantasy HE's now have TWO units of multipose units of women that have flowing robes and body armour??????/

And wavy hair, don't forget the wavy hair..

per imperial mandate sisters are not allowed wavy hair,but rather must conform to the beatles bowl cut

Can anybody confirm if the Avenger is an 'official' thing or a FW thing? I don't like FW stuff as it can be turned away from a fight. At least in my area.

Avenger is FW.

Humblesteve wrote:
Can anybody confirm if the Avenger is an 'official' thing or a FW thing? I don't like FW stuff as it can be turned away from a fight. At least in my area.

The Avenger is a Forgeworld product.
HOWEVER, in 6th, and definately for Sisters, people are a lot more accepting of Forgeworld, especially in 'pick up games'.

Allowing Forgeworld is... Not awesome. There's nothing that i can do about the tournies that allow it. Im going to one in August. but the attendance I've seen at tournies that allow that stuff has been far smaller as a rule. Thats no coincidence.

Some tournies are so popular that they can sort of force people into accepting it because they have the notoriety. But local tournies suffer when you allow that stuff because the newest guys (I didn't say new) are already at a disatvantage. if you wanna TRULY ruin their interest in the hobby, pop a bunch of stuff on the table he's never seen, never heard of and cant anticipate in his list building at a reasonable cost and watch what happens in a few months when that guy never shows to tournies anymore, too shell shocked to bother.

Not one experienced gamer doesn't know another person who quit the hobby after getting shelled one too many times and generally feeling like they were doing nothing but DONATING at tournies. Imagine how much worse that would be if forced to play against this stuff? There are TWELVE frigging Imperial Armour books!

This hobby and its tournies has to be about the NEWEST PLAYER, or its going to suffer. These boards aren't filled with limitless people. There IS a limit and prices have already gone a long way to dissuading newer players. And now we're going to throw this onto the pile of reasons new people shouldn't bother?

Everyone feels differently about this and thats fine. But I am just letting you know that I am passionate about this because the writing is on the wall as it was when 4E Dungeons and Dragons came out. It estranged a LOT of people and NO, WOTC not only hasn't recovered, but Pathfinder is now a thriving business because of 4E and Hasbro i am sure is not pleased. That market share may be irreperably damaged.

WE have a market share to protect as players. You can say all the bravado filled things you want on how it's "right to allow it, and only true competitiors should be in tournies anyways". You can say those things. Sure. WOTC did too. WOTC thought itself invincible and it wasn't.

Now we see the same thing happening in the PLAYER pool we all rely on for fun games. If you never wanna play a new person again, thats your choice. But I do. And I foresee a time, given price and then the added problems of FW and battling peoples checkbooks instead of their army, when new players will be a trickle, old players leaving will be a flood and we will, as the 11th Company Podcast has been talking about, see the slow and inevitable erosion of the player base.

I feel we need to jealously protect our playr base against that erosion EVEN if it means we restrain FW to casual games and not tournies. I think its better in the BIG PICTURE, even if we dont get to play with ALL our toys at events.

I anticipate some will vociferously disagree. But my interest here is for our player base and hopefully that part will stick and give you pause. At least consider that it is quite possible we are doing our future pool no favors. Adepticon, NOVA and so on may sell out no matter what they do, but local games are where most games get played. Lets not BURN our communtiy up for short term gain. Over the years it could end up being quite telling.

Generally, I have more trouble against normal armies (Necrons, GK) rather than FW spam. Tournaments here have started to allow FW sometimes and when they do it's not been a problem so far. For local club games, FW has been allowed for years without any problems. People do control themselves for local games

YMMV of course since this is Europe.

I'm confused. I thought this thread was for Sisters tactica, not complaining about Forge World?
Also... if you are saying that Sisters shouldn't use Forge World because it is 'too OP...' you probably don't understand Sisters in general. Without Forge World, they've got precisely one piece of AA, and that's the Quad Gun.

Waaaghpower wrote:
I'm confused. I thought this thread was for Sisters tactica, not complaining about Forge World?

This. Less FW complainin', more Sisters discussion.

On the subject of Tactics, what's everyone's opinion on Death Cult Assassins/Crusaders/Jacobus? It looks like a pretty good all-round CC unit (something Sisters are severely lacking.) Theydo suffer from vvulnerability to heavy firepower, but placing them behind a tank (to block LOS but let them assault quickly,) seems to be a great tactic against all but the best CC guys. Assorted Power Weapons (and Power Axes on the crusaders) gives versatility galore. Heck, with Power Mauls they even have light Anti Tank ability. S6 to rear armor, anyone?
Plus, 5 attacks per Assassin on the charge is devastating. (2+2CCW+Charge+Jacobus.)

Waaaghpower wrote:
On the subject of Tactics, what's everyone's opinion on Death Cult Assassins/Crusaders/Jacobus? It looks like a pretty good all-round CC unit (something Sisters are severely lacking.) Theydo suffer from vvulnerability to heavy firepower, but placing them behind a tank (to block LOS but let them assault quickly,) seems to be a great tactic against all but the best CC guys. Assorted Power Weapons (and Power Axes on the crusaders) gives versatility galore. Heck, with Power Mauls they even have light Anti Tank ability. S6 to rear armor, anyone?
Plus, 5 attacks per Assassin on the charge is devastating. (2+2CCW+Charge+Jacobus.)

I think that DCA are still good as a counter-charge unit. (I like putting 10 and Jacobus on a Quad behind an Aegis.)

That being said, they suffered from two things when 6th launched: No more useful transports. Blob squads do it better.

If I was going to run one, I would add Celestine and Jacobus, 5 crus and 5 dca. Celestine can soak normal shots and crusaders can soak S7+ and AP2.

 pretre wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
On the subject of Tactics, what's everyone's opinion on Death Cult Assassins/Crusaders/Jacobus? It looks like a pretty good all-round CC unit (something Sisters are severely lacking.) Theydo suffer from vvulnerability to heavy firepower, but placing them behind a tank (to block LOS but let them assault quickly,) seems to be a great tactic against all but the best CC guys. Assorted Power Weapons (and Power Axes on the crusaders) gives versatility galore. Heck, with Power Mauls they even have light Anti Tank ability. S6 to rear armor, anyone?
Plus, 5 attacks per Assassin on the charge is devastating. (2+2CCW+Charge+Jacobus.)

I think that DCA are still good as a counter-charge unit. (I like putting 10 and Jacobus on a Quad behind an Aegis.)

That being said, they suffered from two things when 6th launched: No more useful transports. Blob squads do it better.

If I was going to run one, I would add Celestine and Jacobus, 5 crus and 5 dca. Celestine can soak normal shots and crusaders can soak S7+ and AP2.

Problen is, Sisters can't take real blob squads that are any good. (Sisters squads of 20? Good joke.)
I'd suggest 4 Crusaders and 6 Assassins... because they come in boxes of 2.

Waaaghpower wrote:
Problen is, Sisters can't take real blob squads that are any good. (Sisters squads of 20? Good joke.)
I'd suggest 4 Crusaders and 6 Assassins... because they come in boxes of 2.

Allied IG Blob Squad.

St Celestine, Jacobus and 40-60 Guardsmen. Throw in power axes for the sgts and some heavy/specials. You now have a fearless, FNP, +1 Attack, Reroll charges blob of 40+ guys who soak the wounds through Celestine. Try to get them off an objective. I also add a Primaris to mine (since you need an HQ from IG). If he gets Endurance from Biomancy, it is just hilarious. Celestine gets It will not die and the blob gets Relentless.

As for 2 Assassins, I made mine out of wyches and bits.

Waaaghpower wrote:
I'm confused. I thought this thread was for Sisters tactica, not complaining about Forge World?
Also... if you are saying that Sisters shouldn't use Forge World because it is 'too OP...' you probably don't understand Sisters in general. Without Forge World, they've got precisely one piece of AA, and that's the Quad Gun.

I don't understand Sisters in General? Lol.

I do understand them. Rest assured