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 pretre wrote:
If this is true, retributors just got broken:

Vengeance Weapons Battery $50
-The box comes with two Vengeance Weapons Batteries. Each can be armed with either a Punisher Gatling Cannon or a Battle Cannon
-The rules for both Apocalypse and Warhammer 40k are included in the box

Firestorm Redoubt $65
-Large fortification that has a pair of Quad-Linked Icarus Lascanons
-The rules for both Apocalypse and Warhammer 40k are included in the box

Aquila Strongpoint $115
-Has two options: Macro-Cannon or Vortex Missile
-Macro Cannon fire at a long range with an enormous blast radius. Can even target flyers.
-Vortex Missile comes with 7 Vortex Missles, which are bigger versions of a Vortex Grenade, but with infinite range
-The rules for both Apocalypse and Warhammer 40k are included in the box

What's that you say? 52 S5 rending shots? Yeah....

Are you implying that the punisher gatling cannon would benefit from the rending rule? While I would love that to work, I have always had it ruled against me so I don't even bother trying anymore..

 Green is Best! wrote:

Are you implying that the punisher gatling cannon would benefit from the rending rule? While I would love that to work, I have always had it ruled against me so I don't even bother trying anymore..

It works with all the other gun emplacements, so why not?

Looks like I want some of these! Oh yesss.... :3

 pretre wrote:

 Green is Best! wrote:

Are you implying that the punisher gatling cannon would benefit from the rending rule? While I would love that to work, I have always had it ruled against me so I don't even bother trying anymore..

It works with all the other gun emplacements, so why not?

That was not how it got ruled to me. I was told the gun emplacement was a weapon fired by the unit, but not one of the unit's weapons so no rending.

 Green is Best! wrote:
That was not how it got ruled to me. I was told the gun emplacement was a weapon fired by the unit, but not one of the unit's weapons so no rending.

Gun Emplacements

One model in base contact with the gun emplacement can
fireit instead of his own weapon,following the normal rules
for shooting.

Emplaced Weapons

Use the firing model's
BallisticSkill and the line of sight of the weapon.All relevant
specialrules from the firing model and the weaponare used.

The unit's weapons gain rending until the end of the phase

As far as I have seen, you can use all special rules that a model has when shooting either type. (Fire Dragons with Tank Hunters were fun before their codex got updated.) That means rending Punisher Cannons.

Yeah. That's worth $50 bucks. Bring me your aircraft that I might smite them! Along with everything else!

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Yeah. That's worth $50 bucks. Bring me your aircraft that I might smite them! Along with everything else!

Well, against aircraft, it isn't spectacular. 52 shots is 52/6 hits. Assuming AV11, that's still only 52/36 (~1.4) results. Against everything else is where it really shines. 52 shots = 156/4 hits, and 156/24 rends (6.5 rends)

If you want anti-air, that double quad-icarus lascannon looks pretty nasty.

That level of torrent of fire will end almost anything. I wonder what the points cost will be on it? I'd say its worth at least 250-300. Wonder how its physical stats will work, because if it stays at T7 2 wounds like a quad gun, it is dead turn one, highest priority target..

I've been playing with ways of getting punishers into my sob army recently and this would give me a lovely easy way of doing it......but might make a few people cry!

Can you imagine a horde army player's FACE? Sisters lined up with flamers, exorcists, and hanging out in the back, a pair of Emperor blessed bullet hoses to ensure nothing but stains are left in their arc of fire.

Oh yes. I'm buying one.

I'm ready to push the button on that and the air defense bunker depending on rules and points.

Thanks for the references Pretre. So what are considered gun emplacements vs. emplaced weapons?

Can't wait for new terrain if they are 40k compatible. I didn't like playing with bastion so I sold it and sticked with ADL. Hopefully these ones allow some variation.

 Green is Best! wrote:
Thanks for the references Pretre. So what are considered gun emplacements vs. emplaced weapons?

Gun emplacements are the Quad-gun and Icarus that are on the little stand.
Emplaced weapons are the heavy bolters on the Bastion.


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meh_ wrote:
Can't wait for new terrain if they are 40k compatible. I didn't like playing with bastion so I sold it and sticked with ADL. Hopefully these ones allow some variation.

It's too bad you never went with the Bastion. It was AWESOME for sob. The 4 extra heavy bolters (2 at any given time) really helped out the Rets.

So..... you take the bastion and pop the Ret squad inside and those heavy bolters become rending as well?

Excellent. How many weapons can fire out of the window? 1 or 2?

 Green is Best! wrote:
So..... you take the bastion and pop the Ret squad inside and those heavy bolters become rending as well?

Excellent. How many weapons can fire out of the window? 1 or 2?

Yes.

So My general loadout:
6 Rets with Simulacrum and 4 HB.

At any given time, only 2 of the bastion heavy bolters can see one target (generally). Each window gives you two shots. So...

5 HB and 1 HB with Precision (Superior) can all be rending (if they make their faith check). It is a nasty combo. I then generally put a sisters squad with Multi-melta on top to run the Icarus.

This will definitely change my list. My only problem with Rets is that my faith in the Emperor is not very strong. It never seems to go off when I need it. That is why I shifted to three exorcists.

But I do like what I am seeing here.

Put a Canoness in that squad to have BS5 with one of the punisher cannon and +1 to the act of faith roll, it should help .

Also, it may be a reason to field her again, which is rare these days.

Bastion is good until the impossible happens to you.

Playing a 1500 points game against a Vulkan themed army.

Put the bastion far into my deployment zone. Coteaz and Henchmen on top. Rets inside and a sister squad bubble wrapping the bastion as best they can to prevent deep striking within melta range.

Mission was relic and opponent had a Vindicator, which I managed to immobilize it, while facing the relic, roughly 28 inches away from the bastion so I was technically safe... or so I thought.

Turn 2 I move forward my second sister squad keeping in cover to go grab the relic. I know I'll likely loose, but with a little luck I should be able to grab relic on turn 3-4.

He shoots vindicator at them and actually scatters 12 inches back directly towards my bastion. After we adjusted scatter accounting for his ballistic reduce, the template barely clipped the corner of the bastion... still a hit. Roll dices and not only penetrates it, but rolls a 6 on the chart, which becomes a 7 due to AP2.

Bastion blows up, kill all henchman, does a wound to Coteaz who has to jump off. Retributors inside all die and the squad bubble wrapping loses 6 girls.

Managed to tie that game nonetheless in the end, but I've been wary of taking a bastion since.

 Static-Cat wrote:
Put a Canoness in that squad to have BS5 with one of the punisher cannon and +1 to the act of faith roll, it should help .

Also, it may be a reason to field her again, which is rare these days.

Still not worth it. :(


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Voldrak wrote:
Bastion is good until the impossible happens to you.

Well, yeah... Everything is awesome until the impossible happens. And that is a horror story.

This all does have me thinking I want a bastion.

 MWHistorian wrote:
This all does have me thinking I want a bastion.

Give it a week or so until we see the rules for the new ones. The double Quad-Icarus bunker looks like it may be better anti-flyer and the double punishers looks like a better match for Rets. Depends on points and rules though.

Hopefully the new terrain isn't Apoc-only.

 Shandara wrote:
Hopefully the new terrain isn't Apoc-only.

Most recent rumors say that each one comes with rules for Apoc and 40k.

 pretre wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Hopefully the new terrain isn't Apoc-only.

Most recent rumors say that each one comes with rules for Apoc and 40k.

Ah yes, I should read further back in the thread (top of page in fact)

Confirmed that rules for 40k will be included in the boxes are per pre-order items up on the website.

Already ordered the battlecannon/punisher kit. Just hoping it's not going to be 200 points or more to field.

I am also disappointed there are no formation for the sisters
While I agree it's harder being direct only on everything I would have loved a formation that included 3+ Exorcists or a massive wall of immolators.


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Oh.. and to make up for the bastion story.

For every bad game there's a good one.

1000 points against Orks tonight.

Tabled him on the bottom of 3 and and my total losses were 7 dominions and 1 seraphims... which I dont think even amounted to 100 points.

Played that second list vs necrons with chaos allies. It runs counter meta so much! People are used to killing infantry from turn 1 and my army was in high av until turn 3+ when he started to actually pop stuff. Av13 repressora are awesome!

Tie at end of 5 but game went to 6 and 7 and I kept pulling farther ahead!

 Green is Best! wrote:
This will definitely change my list. My only problem with Rets is that my faith in the Emperor is not very strong. It never seems to go off when I need it. That is why I shifted to three exorcists.

But I do like what I am seeing here.

Tonight, I had a game where every single roll to do with Acts of Faith was a 1. It was a 5 round long game. Every turn I got 1 Faith Point, and failed the one I got on a 1. That was 9 rolls of ones, as the first turn I was saving it since nothing really needed it, and then I realised there was nothing left to use it.

On the other hand, my repentias wrecked face. They took out Dante and his unit of golden cuckolds losing only the Mistress in sacrificial challenge with Dante.

(Very un-fluffy I'll admit, to sacrifice the mistress to save the repentias.)

Played a 1000 pt game against Necrons. Draw, but it we went one more turn I would have annihilated him. :( My acts of faith saved my bacon form a loss when my SOB squad rolled almost all ones on a shooting phase. (What are the mathematical odds of that?) And because of my act of faith, got to reroll them. Booyah! The hero of the game was Celestine and her squad of Seraphim.
I'll be posting a fluff full battle report with pics later in the battle report section.


Oh, here's a link to the battle report.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/536921.page

I played a 1500pt game last week against C:SM. I took:

Celestine
Kyrinov
2 x 10 BSS with flamer and MM in repressors
1 x 5 doms with 2 meltagun and combi melt a in repressor
2 x 6 seraphim with hand flamers
2 x 7 rets with heavy bolters
Exorcist

Game was great fun, the repressors took on a shed load of fire power and survived. Including a full unit of devs with las cannons, a las cannon razorback, and twin autcannon dread. In the whole game I lost 1 repressor and that was only due to having to park it sideways on to block a charge route.

I love having high av, its so different. I can move my squads around and leave the girls inside while sniping with melta out the top. Great fun. I'm now busy converting my tanks, got 3 repressors made and a fourth on the way.

Voldrak wrote:
Confirmed that rules for 40k will be included in the boxes are per pre-order items up on the website.

Already ordered the battlecannon/punisher kit. Just hoping it's not going to be 200 points or more to field.

I am also disappointed there are no formation for the sisters
While I agree it's harder being direct only on everything I would have loved a formation that included 3+ Exorcists or a massive wall of immolators.


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Oh.. and to make up for the bastion story.

For every bad game there's a good one.

1000 points against Orks tonight.

Tabled him on the bottom of 3 and and my total losses were 7 dominions and 1 seraphims... which I dont think even amounted to 100 points.

There are SoB apocalypse formations in the WD, which was released around the same time as WD dex. It included Repentant Host and Purge Squadron.