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The new rulebook is finally done!

You can download it on my site Lots of small changes, most of which were previously listed here.

http://www.blackwatergulch.com

I have more info for the GenCon demos.

I'll be there Friday and Saturday. I'll most likely be at the Game Salute Sneak Peeks booth #2035. They will also have a store going at booth #1033, so if you don't see me at the sneak peek booth, I may be at that one

Friday will be off an on demos, since I have a ginormous order of figures to pick up and some folks to meet with. But I hope to do demos till I drop on saturday

So if you're gonna be at GenCon, stop by and at least say hi I'll be the guy in the Blackwater Gulch t-shirt

Necros wrote:The new rulebook is finally done!

You can download it on my site Lots of small changes, most of which were previously listed here.

http://www.blackwatergulch.com

I'll have to update / annotate the one I got from you last year, thanks for posting this

Is it going to be available for print on demand at the LuLu service, like the other one was?

Ack - scratch that, just read the post on your website

Yeah, lulu was good for just starting out, but the books they make are too expensive IMO. So we're going to print up a whole bunch to go with the retail release. It's a smaller format book like the ones you get in the GW starter sets, so that's why the PDF is laid out like 2 page spreads.

No idea when we'll have the printed ones done, but will be soon. Big meeting planned for GenCon and we'll get everything finalized.

I also just this morning got the sculpts for the mexicans and the rest of the vigilance committee, so I'll have those to show off at GenCon

Back from GenCon. Had a great time, but it was really way more ginormous than I ever thought possible. Gave lots of demos and met lots of backers, was hella fun Gonna be saving up my pennies and hope to be able to afford a real booth in the dealer area next year, since I'll actually have stuff to sell by then

Anyway, I had a guy working on Army Builder files for the game and he just finished them today. Works really great, you can make your own custom gang members and click around to add their stats and weapons. Also have some of the pre-made characters in there that will come with the starter sets. He just finished the files, so you can go download em here:

http://blackwatergulch.com/blog/2012/08/new-army-builder-files/

Glad you had fun!

Shame its just army builder, looks like I still have to make myself a battlescribe version (which I was gonna do eventually anyways).

Baby steps

I'd like to make a web/tablet/smartphone app gang building app too, some day when I can find me a programmer that will work for minis

 Necros wrote:
Baby steps

I'd like to make a web/tablet/smartphone app gang building app too, some day when I can find me a programmer that will work for minis

Oh that would be supreme. I might have to make some calls.... I know a guy...

So where are we on getting the kickstarter rewards?

Getting there. I wish it wasn't at a snail's pace though. I'm hoping once we get all the bugs worked out future releases will go much smoother. here's where we're at now...

As of right now we have all 3 hired guns (the free reward figs) and the dice in stock, plus all of the building kits people ordered. We also have all of the clancy gang figs and the bloodwolf tribe figs. We still need to place an order for the 10,000 or so bases we'll need.

While I was at GenCon I handed the final sculpts to the fellas at Iron Wind who will be making the master molds hopefully this week. So pretty soon we'll finally have all of the figures ready to go!

I also have all of the character cards and box art done for the clancy gang and bloodwolf tribe. Once I get master metal figures for the next 2 I'll paint them up for the cards and box photos and then we'll be all set.

We're still finalizing packaging, I have to go over all of the details with the Game Salute fellas when they get back and settled from GenCon later this week. What we're planning to do for the starter sets is have them come with a foam tray to hold the figs, so you can carry and store them safely after you paint em

Cool deal, just like to keep up. My wife and I are still looking forward to the game. She in for the Banditos and Clancy for me...we love the sculpts for both gangs and cant wait to get ahold of the minis.

We got an email about a new kickstarter for expanding the gangs, possibly starting in October. We would be in for it, but timing would be the important part, we are moving in September. A kickstarter in late Oct would be perfect, as we should be working by then,

Yep, we're planning it out right now. Will take a while and we do want to wait till the models from the first set are at least sent out to the previous backers. Planning 3 new 3-man add on packs for each existing gang, so that will be 12 packs total. Will probably do something like every $3000 earned will let us do a new pack, $36,000 to do all 12. If we can get past that we'll start doing new gangs and also start looking into cavalry models.

But, we have to get concept art done for some of new figures first, and possibly start sculpting the first couple of add on sets ahead of time. So yeah it will probably be around October some time

 Mad4Minis wrote:
We got an email about a new kickstarter for expanding the gangs, possibly starting in October. We would be in for it, but timing would be the important part, we are moving in September. A kickstarter in late Oct would be perfect, as we should be working by then,

Unless you're planning on pledging for 10K or something, I'm thinking planning/launching of this just might move ahead with or without you!

All kidding aside, I'm very interested in seeing what this one will include.

I missed out on the last one, but hopefully not this one!

Well there's 6 professions in the game, and the starters come with 3 of them. So, the boosters will include 1 of each other profession that a gang's starter is missing, plus 2 more henchmen that are kind of the same theme as the professional. Like the Clancy Gang prospector booster will have Uncle Zeke and his 2 henchmen will be miner looking guys. that sort of thing.

So to get 3 boosters for all 4 gangs, that's a total of 12 new sets, 36 new figures. I'm thinking we'll set the bar low, so if we need like $3000 to do a new booster, then we'll set the funding level at $3000 to fund the first one, then every $3000 we can generate we can add in a new one.

I'll do some custom dice again for rewards, thinking with a colt 45 icon this time. I also have the artwork ready to go for a whole new gang and 3 new hired guns, so I'm thinking I will have those figures set aside as reward figures. No idea what amounts they will become available yet, but who knows if we get high enough everyone might be able to get a whole new gang for free

But still.. lots of planning to do and we want to wait until the starter sets from the first campaign are at least shipping to the original backers.

I'm going to keep the pledges simple this time. Pledge whatever for a booster of your choice, add to your pledge for each additional one. Then I'll do starter set levels for people that might want one of them, and then maybe a 2 player bundle where you can get a rulebook, 2 starters and 2 boosters. Stuff like that. I'll probably have add on stuff like building kits and other goodies, but I'll keep that out of the pledge level stuff so it doesn't get confusing.

And then if things go really really well, I'll start adding in new gangs like last time. Planning a chinese worker gang, a carnival circus freak gang, and all girl gang and a gang of army rejects.. not civil war themed though since the game takes place much later, around 1890. But we'll see how it goes

Can't wait to chip in again!

Not to sound like a nagging naggy nag-nag, but how's the current stuff coming along?

It's coming.. just got delayed waiting on the final sculpts, I didn't get the greens until the day before I left for GenCon :( But those are in production now. Basically sculpting just took longer than expected and it pushed everything back a good 4-6 weeks.

For the next one I'm going to list the ship dates away longer than last time, and that way folks will be happier when they get stuff early I'll probably make it like 6 months in advance for the first round of sculpts, then add a new month for each new batch.

Having missed all this the first time around, I'm hoping for levels that include starters, buildings, etc.

If not, no big deal, it would just make it easier to jump in!

IIRC buildings are not in this time round.

Nothing set in stone, we'll see how it goes I just want to keep it simple that's all, for backers and for me

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mad4Minis wrote:
We got an email about a new kickstarter for expanding the gangs, possibly starting in October. We would be in for it, but timing would be the important part, we are moving in September. A kickstarter in late Oct would be perfect, as we should be working by then,

Unless you're planning on pledging for 10K or something, I'm thinking planning/launching of this just might move ahead with or without you!

All kidding aside, I'm very interested in seeing what this one will include.

I missed out on the last one, but hopefully not this one!

Well on you.


We got in on the first one, was our first contact with Kickstarter. If at all possible we will be in on the next one as well.

The Army Builder files are now listed on the main updates menu now Just took em a few days to get it added, now it should automatically update as we add new characters to it and stuff

I still have my rulebook for this . Am watching with interest! May ping the local Infinity players about it once the starter sets are released, since the buy-in is so low and they already have tons of terrain made up.

Granted, the theme of the terrain is wrong but it would work to try it out, since the rules seemed nice and straight-forward.

Cool ... yeah Infinity fans might like it, some people have been calling it wild west infinity But I was going for more like wild west necromunda

If you have lots of trees and rocks and hills, that works great for terrain too. Gunfights happen in the woods too

Those we definitely have! Sounds great

Since you mentioned you're planning to have the prior Kickstarter rewards out before doing the next, and you're thinking of October for the next... does that mean the gang boxes may be available this coming month?

 RiTides wrote:
Those we definitely have! Sounds great

Since you mentioned you're planning to have the prior Kickstarter rewards out before doing the next, and you're thinking of October for the next... does that mean the gang boxes may be available this coming month?

Hehe I wanna know too! (I know I pester a lot)

I'm really hoping in the next couple days I should have the final master metals, so if they're all ok they can start on the production molds and figs and then we just gotta get the boxes and cards printed.

So we'll start by sending out the backer's orders first, then do the retail release. but for the next kickstarter I'm thinking we might include the starter sets in that too. So if you're impatient (like me) you can just get the starters from your FLGS or buy em online. But if you're patient and you want free goodies you can add them to your pledge Will probably be at least a 2 month wait if you do that though, because last time when we got the dice made it took 8 weeks to make them. Or maybe we can work it out where you can pay extra shipping and we send you what we have when we have it, etc.

Game Salute is on the way to PAX right now, so next week when everyone is back and settled we'll be finalizing everything and then planning out the next campaign. Right now it's all just off the top of my head

 Necros wrote:
Cool ... yeah Infinity fans might like it, some people have been calling it wild west infinity But I was going for more like wild west necromunda

Sold to the man in the black crossing the desert.
I'd be happy to back a kickstarter especially if we got the starter sets in the new one.

I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the gangs, so I can finally order mine. : )

Eric