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The League of Infamy KS launches 28th October

Ogre Pirate


Halfling cook


Pondwarden




more on the blog

https://www.manticgames.com/news/

Did they not notice that there's a Reaper KS hoovering up all the pledge money?

Also Zombicide. Also Oathsworn. Also also everything else.

There's always something running on kickstarter.

That said I dig the Pond Warden and the Placoderm guy. Armored fishies are close enough to reptiles so they're a thumbs up in my book.

What was the last non-boardgame Mantic KS, and how were the models and delivery? Was it KoW Vanguard?


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Also Zombicide. Also Oathsworn. Also also everything else.
There's always something running on kickstarter.
That said I dig the Pond Warden and the Placoderm guy. Armored fishies are close enough to reptiles so they're a thumbs up in my book.

Not gonna be a good time, though - Zombicide is always a big one as it seems to cross over with our crowd pretty heavily as well as the BG guys, as does Bones. True there's always something, but it seems like these are two of the ones that are less likely to be useful to release against. I think there's some other annual campaign/event around this time of year soon that often takes people's money, and then GW releases those battle boxes around then, too. Might be a PM-only one for me at absolute best case...

Just had Joan of Arc, currently backing Zombicide 2 and Bones V, Star Wars Legion Clone Wars just dropped and the xmas GW sets are coming up.

Sorry Mantic...

Anyone know when this is going to run and the delivery date? I might be in for it for that ogre alone.

Love the minis but I'm not in love with the idea of playing villains. It might be fun but I kinda wish they'd just stuck with the idea of producing a version of Dungeon Saga that doesn't suck.

This might be up my gaming groups alley. I bought the DS base set but we never got around playing it because no one was excited about playing a purely co-op game, so a similar game with a competitive twist might do the trick.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
That said I dig the Pond Warden and the Placoderm guy. Armored fishies are close enough to reptiles so they're a thumbs up in my book.

Best thing about the Placo guy? We finally might get a Placo unit for KOW! That hopefully has more than just that one sculpt

Lots of unexpected, great sculpts piggybacking on this KS, very excited for them to hit general release in ... a year? Plus? I'm being very good with my KS moneys and waiting to go hard on Ankh

Speaking of cool ogres, there's also an Ogre guitarist not pictured here, trying to find it without logging into FB ...

 Azazelx wrote:
What was the last non-boardgame Mantic KS, and how were the models and delivery? Was it KoW Vanguard?

I think so. I liked what I got and the delivery was smoother then in the past.

I'm not sure of the reasoning behind this game.
We have Vanguard for a fantasy skirmish. We have Dungeon Saga for dungeon exploration.

If this is just to get the funding for a load of minis for either Vanguard or KoW, why not just do a KS and be straight up about it.

Edit... but going to KS while a big time CMON one like Zombicide is running may not be good timing.

I think the reasoning is that this will be a fun Beer & Pretzels game, so why not have a KS to fund it?

It actually interests my wife and I more than Dungeon Saga did.

The Auld Grump - we skipped Dungeon Saga - but I think we will go in on this one... though my wife and I want the same figure....

More details and previews

https://mailchi.mp/manticgames/league-of-infamy-kickstarter-launching-monday

LEAGUE OF INFAMY KICKSTARTER LAUNCHES 8PM (UK TIME) MONDAY, OCTOBER 28th

In the Kickstarter Edition you'll play through the League's latest mission to infiltrate the elven sanctuary. Play through a campaign of six missions, uncover loot, learn new skills and stitch up your team 'mates' as much as possible. Highlights of the Kickstarter Edition include:

six playable villains
five bosses, including that mighty Elf Lord on Drakon
a load of pesky elf minions to kill as horribly as possible
almost 200 gameplay cards
more than 200(!) game tokens
plus more...

Elf Lord on Drakon

MASTER OF SHADOWS PLEDGE!

But that's not all! As well as the standard Kickstarter Edition, from day one of the campaign, you'll be able to show your allegiance to the League with the awesome Master of Shadows pledge.

This includes everything mentioned above and two fantastic expansions: No Half Measures and Siren's Wrath. Each of these expansions introduces loads of new gameplay, more minions to tackle, powerful bosses and even more looooooooot! The expansions will be available to purchase separately too.

In the No Half Measures expansion, you must investigate reports of an ancient form of long-forgotten magic: gastromancy! Deal with halflings as strong as an ogre or tricky traps with toxic poisons. It's not all bad though, because you might come across a tasty pie or two to loot!

Chef

In the Kickstarter Exclusive Siren's Wrath expansion, the League is furious that the Trident Realm is messing with one of its most important trade routes... which absolutely won't do! You're sent in to raid the Trident Realm keep and gather as many goods as you can. However, this will be your hardest mission yet, as the Keep Master takes advantage of the aquatic landscape. And yes.. that is a Depth Horror.

Toad


Siren


KS exclusive Blaine

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I'm not sure of the reasoning behind this game.
We have Vanguard for a fantasy skirmish. We have Dungeon Saga for dungeon exploration.

If this is just to get the funding for a load of minis for either Vanguard or KoW, why not just do a KS and be straight up about it.

Edit... but going to KS while a big time CMON one like Zombicide is running may not be good timing.

Because it's the same than GW's approach. By doing a different game, you can reach for new customers while still giving something for your existing ones. It's mostly for the purpose of gaining more people to buy their products, really.

I know, Mantic fanboys will keep saying Mantic Games is so much better than GW, but in the end they use the same tricks - just on a different scale.

And they do a Kickstarter because it's much more interesting for them financially (also, they're pretty much assured to get a huge load of money thanks to their fanbase).

You can see they actually have pretty much everything in the base game ready. They have miniatures, they are painted and everything. They don't need the KS to make the game nor the miniatures. They're just after the big load of money and the publicity. Now, there are things they'll still have to do, of course, and the KS will help for that, but it's pretty much a big pre-order sale here rather than really helping them to make the game.

Really like that depth horror render.

 Sarouan wrote:


I know, Mantic fanboys will keep saying Mantic Games is so much better than GW, but in the end they use the same tricks - just on a different scale.

You keep saying this in every Mantic thread, but I'm not convinced it's true. I think most Mantic fans recognize that both Mantic and GW are profit driven companies, we just dont think Mantic is as egregious about it as GW.

I find the idea of a villains' dungeon crawl intriguing, but I can't pledge for this. This might be the first non-zombie Blaine I pass up.


Most of the sculpts shown are pretty good, too. That Drakon looks like an animatronic from some 80's B-movie; I live it. I want to see it fighting John Ratzenberger in a high school gymnasium or something.

I'm definitely in.

Curious as to why they went with a base size (looks like 25mm) that's not compatible with most KoW model base sizes (many should be 20mm).

Have they mentioned anything about this? Odd design choice, given the cross compatibility of their minis n games.

dyndraig wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:


I know, Mantic fanboys will keep saying Mantic Games is so much better than GW, but in the end they use the same tricks - just on a different scale.

You keep saying this in every Mantic thread, but I'm not convinced it's true. I think most Mantic fans recognize that both Mantic and GW are profit driven companies, we just dont think Mantic is as egregious about it as GW.

You didn't lurk on their facebook fanatic page, I believe. This is why I keep saying this. And your comment is exactly what I'm talking about : you still believe Mantic Games does it better, while it's not true. They just do it on a smaller scale because they can't do it on the same than GW. They don't have neither the size nor the money to achieve this (and they know their fanbase isn't big enough to allow themselves to get them angry too much - well, with the changes in 3rd edition and a lot of people not being happy about their unit unlocks, they still can allow themselves to get a small part angry, just not too much). But if they did ? There is no doubt they would have gone the full way down.

Profit doesn't have an end - it just scales with the size of the company.

 pancakeonions wrote:

Curious as to why they went with a base size (looks like 25mm) that's not compatible with most KoW model base sizes (many should be 20mm).

Have they mentioned anything about this? Odd design choice, given the cross compatibility of their minis n games.

Oh, it's linked to the squares on their game tiles. It's exactly the same as Dungeon Saga. I guess it's mainly an aesthetic choice. But you could change the bases to 20 mm, it doesn't change anything in game mechanics, I think.

 Sarouan wrote:

dyndraig wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:


I know, Mantic fanboys will keep saying Mantic Games is so much better than GW, but in the end they use the same tricks - just on a different scale.

You keep saying this in every Mantic thread, but I'm not convinced it's true. I think most Mantic fans recognize that both Mantic and GW are profit driven companies, we just dont think Mantic is as egregious about it as GW.

You didn't lurk on their facebook fanatic page, I believe. This is why I keep saying this. And your comment is exactly what I'm talking about : you still believe Mantic Games does it better, while it's not true. They just do it on a smaller scale because they can't do it on the same than GW. They don't have neither the size nor the money to achieve this (and they know their fanbase isn't big enough to allow themselves to get them angry too much - well, with the changes in 3rd edition and a lot of people not being happy about their unit unlocks, they still can allow themselves to get a small part angry, just not too much). But if they did ? There is no doubt they would have gone the full way down.

Profit doesn't have an end - it just scales with the size of the company.

I really don't even get the purpose of this argument/discussion. So what if they're releasing another boardgame to attract people? How is that a negative? How is GW doing it a bad thing? If the game is decent who cares? Why are people getting cranky about this? it's seriously one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen on this board. Oh no, a company is making a new game and charging for it! How dare they!

Is there an online army builder for KOW3 yet?

Well if they ever become as big as GW and start acting like GW, we can complain about it then I guess. Seems a little premature to do it now though

 Monkeysloth wrote:


I really don't even get the purpose of this argument/discussion. So what if they're releasing another boardgame to attract people? How is that a negative? How is GW doing it a bad thing? If the game is decent who cares? Why are people getting cranky about this? it's seriously one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen on this board. Oh no, a company is making a new game and charging for it! How dare they!

If it is a negative, it's mostly for the Kickstarter projects that really need this money to exist, not as like Mantic Games and CMON use it as a very long term pre-order store. But that's completely another matter for sure.

And no, I don't mind them doing this project. The elves look nice, after all, and if they can make a nice mega army deal once everything is out, better for the KoW elf players, right ?

I'm not saying a company shouldn't do that. I'm just saying the myth of Mantic Games being better than GW is just that : a myth. And it's becoming clearer and clearer as time pass on and Mantic doing stuff looking "out of touch" for a part of their customer base. But fans will be fans, no matter the game nor the company, you're right.

dyndraig wrote:


Well if they ever become as big as GW and start acting like GW, we can complain about it then I guess. Seems a little premature to do it now though

You know what they say : size doesn't matter. So why waiting ?


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 TheWaspinator wrote:
Is there an online army builder for KOW3 yet?

So far, I don't think so. It's a bit early, since they just started to deliver the books.

Those are pretty minis. Prettier even than the giant box of Dungeon Saga I still have in the cardboard shipping box.

I wish there were a Dungeon Saga / Adventurer's Companion 2.0 KS - either instead of or as part of this one - to finally follow through on the promises of "base game is like Heroquest; the Adventurer's Companion makes it like Advance Heroquest / Warhammer Quest" promises we got back in 2014.

I'm not sure about this one. I haven't heard any similar promises, and to be honest "Heroquest again, but as the bad guys!" doesn't interest me much. Also, between Bones V, Zombicide 2e, and Frostgrave Perilous Dark, I'm already pretty skint on hobby funds for this month and the next.

I'll keep an eye on League of Infamy, but so far nothing's won my participation.

 Psychopomp wrote:

I wish there were a Dungeon Saga / Adventurer's Companion 2.0 KS - either instead of or as part of this one - to finally follow through on the promises of "base game is like Heroquest; the Adventurer's Companion makes it like Advance Heroquest / Warhammer Quest" promises we got back in 2014.

I would rather think that if they do something for Dungeon Saga, it will be an entirely new game system akind to League of Infamy. Maybe another KS later, with the opportunity to make new miniatures as well.

I guess they could include a "reverse mode" in League of Infamy so that you play a group of heroes, but I doubt it. It's kinda the purpose of this game to focus on a party of villains ready to stab their companions in the back if they can gain something of it. What I mean is there are clearly mechanisms intended to work with a party of villains, rather than them being the opponents - it would work weird with a party of heroes like in DS, IMHO. But I do understand it's not that appealing to play the bad guys in a dungeon crawler game. My friends being fond of Dungeon Saga are feeling the same than you. Yet, they are still thrilled to have something that can be used for Dungeon Saga in the end.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

I really don't even get the purpose of this argument/discussion.

Self-confirmation of existing personal biases. That's really it.

 Sarouan wrote:
...I guess they could include a "reverse mode" in League of Infamy so that you play a group of heroes, but I doubt it. It's kinda the purpose of this game to focus on a party of villains ready to stab their companions in the back if they can gain something of it. What I mean is there are clearly mechanisms intended to work with a party of villains, rather than them being the opponents - it would work weird with a party of heroes like in DS, IMHO.

I can't remember exactly where, but I remember one of the designers saying it was possible to run the game not only as a co-op experience, but to skip the rules where you cause harm to each other if that was your thing. By the sounds of it, adapting the game to playing heroes wouldn't be all that difficult.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:

I really don't even get the purpose of this argument/discussion.

Self-confirmation of existing personal biases. That's really it.

Exactly !

 Zethnar wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
...I guess they could include a "reverse mode" in League of Infamy so that you play a group of heroes, but I doubt it. It's kinda the purpose of this game to focus on a party of villains ready to stab their companions in the back if they can gain something of it. What I mean is there are clearly mechanisms intended to work with a party of villains, rather than them being the opponents - it would work weird with a party of heroes like in DS, IMHO.

I can't remember exactly where, but I remember one of the designers saying it was possible to run the game not only as a co-op experience, but to skip the rules where you cause harm to each other if that was your thing. By the sounds of it, adapting the game to playing heroes wouldn't be all that difficult.

True enough. After all, Mantic Games did made a special scenario for Dungeon Saga in the KoW campaign with the main protagonists / antagonists going to war with huge armies, where you played a party of villains with the necromancer in a dungeon filled with dwarves. So it shouldn't be that difficult to adapt the rules of League of Infamy the same way.

Anyway, we'll certainly know a bit more tomorrow !

League of Infamy live now

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/leagueofinfamy/league-of-infamy/description

£75 for the game
£135 with both expansions £125 EB for the first 48 hours

Heh, I sure didn't expect the battlecat would be a boss.

Love that they went classic with the harpies - bird women with wings as arms. They said it's EU friendly for shipping, but not sure they did take the Brexit really into account here.

Already more than 40000 pounds pledged for now, with the 50000 minimum. I expect it to fund before tomorrow. 15 days to go !