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I keep saying they should go HIPS with Ogres. It would cover a lot of units as they're all based on the same bodies, and turn them into the perfect beginner army, easy to collect, build, paint and play.

Going HIPS on ogres won't stop the metal upgrades. See what they're doing with northern alliance clanmen - there are metal upgrades for bows and two handed weapons. There is a limit to what they can put in the box for the price.

Face it, Mantic Games doesn't have the ressources of GW. That's the reason why they keep recycling old ugly miniatures ; because it's cheaper for them that way.

I am sure they will sooner or later as Ronnie said once that their goal is to move all core units to HIPS

questions is just how soon they have the money and capacity to do it

They're totally going for that Man-O-War / Dreadfleet "over the top" design, aren't they. I'm sad the figurehead isn't an angel.

For now, they're showing the big ships it seems !

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I'm getting a Dreadfleet vibe.

 kodos wrote:
I am sure they will sooner or later as Ronnie said once that their goal is to move all core units to HIPS

questions is just how soon they have the money and capacity to do it

And, of course, when every other faction has models. Unless a faction only has absolutely dire models (original MAA) there's more to be made in making a new kit than remaking an old one. If you remake an old kit, how do you convince existing players to replace their models?

 sukura636 wrote:
-snip- If you remake an old kit, how do you convince existing players to replace their models?

You make sure the new kit looks so much better than the replaced kit that they buy it anyway.

GW has had no problem getting players to do just that with nearly every new kit they've put out for years.

but just because it works for GW selling people the same model with a new hat, does not mean it works for everyone

 skrulnik wrote:

 sukura636 wrote:
-snip- If you remake an old kit, how do you convince existing players to replace their models?

You make sure the new kit looks so much better than the replaced kit that they buy it anyway.

GW has had no problem getting players to do just that with nearly every new kit they've put out for years.

GW is 200 times Mantic's size. And there's always those who'll just not replace their perfectly serviceable models. You might notice that's why GW tend to make new units rather than replace existing plastics a lot. Replacing an old metal kit? Sure. HIPS? Bad idea.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1302926328937803776

new Video with another Ship Preview

Big eeeeh.

Also getting strong PVC vibes here.

It is said to be a lot of Resin is the game is manufactured in house

also going direct to retail (no KS) and factions are done in 2 waves

Maybe resin with pewter masts.

Wonder what will be the scale of the miniatures...

Pewter masts are a safe bet.

Resin ships are fine by me, but metal masts means I’m out. Oh well.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Resin ships are fine by me, but metal masts means I’m out. Oh well.

Those aren't really confirmed.

Not against metal per se, but Mantic metal is garbage. The metal spears of the Dwarf Bulwarkers are so brittle they snap instead of bending, and you need to bend them to fit the arms to the plastic bodies as the casting is of both arms holding the spear two handed. Similarly, the Empire of Dust High Priest has a staff so thin it snapped as soon as it was glued in place. Based on my experiences, I won't be buying the Northern Alliance Pack Hunters with their metal bows; I'll go 3rd party. (Have bought some ASOIAF Wildings already.) Similarly, if the ships are resin + metal, I'm out too.

Quality control aside, then there's the pain of metal/plastic joins. Even with super glue they don't bond easily or well, and assembly takes longer than with plastic because of that.

there is no metal on the ships

So, Mantic really is on the Spartan ship these days.

Forging out ahead to rehaul more old games that they'll never finish

Interested in a fantastical ship game - i have fleets of Uncharted Seas and Man O war to use

Voss wrote:
So, Mantic really is on the Spartan ship these days.

Forging out ahead to rehaul more old games that they'll never finish

maybe
another reason would be that Mantic is going for a game were they have control of the models and can produce it themselves instead of ordering from China

As long as the rules are good I can make my own models if need be.

Considering how close Mantic are to GW prices now they should be able to afford ionjection molding by Renedra or Archon, honestly.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Considering how close Mantic are to GW prices now

I don't think you have seen the GW prices latley

and the question is not the price, but Renedra also has limited capacity and waiting time to do kits

 kodos wrote:
there is no metal on the ships

m
How do you know?

What materials did Mantic use?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 kodos wrote:
there is no metal on the ships

m
How do you know?
What materials did Mantic use?

asked them, was told that there is no metal on the ship and a lot of Resin is used
so not sure of we see Resin sails/masts as well or if they are from a different material

If the masts are metal, that’s the problem.

Thanks for asking Mantic, though.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
As long as the rules are good I can make my own models if need be.

Considering how close Mantic are to GW prices now they should be able to afford ionjection molding by Renedra or Archon, honestly.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Renedra still tooling manually rather than using digital files?

TBH, my intervention about resin ships and pewter masts was more a reference to the Uncharted Seas miniatures. In truth, I don't know at all what Mantic will do. Nowadays, with what they're using as resin on their KoW miniatures, I can see masts in resin as well. It depends of the scale of the ships, though.

I guess we'll have a few more teasers before the game will be finally revealed.

Making a naval game for their KoW universe opens a few doors for linked campaigns, I must say I'm interested to see what they will do with this. Even if it's pretty clear that it is focused on Basileans vs Orcs for the core.

Oh man, I'm excited. I have so many Man o War ships, and any new ruleset that's fantasy will get me to dive in deep. I also have (too many) Oak and Iron and Black Seas ships...

Any ideas what "scale" these will be in?

Any other news on when we'll hear more?