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 Pacific wrote:
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone know when the retail release for Dungeon Saga Origins is planned for? Looking at retailers it is all over the place, I've seen as soon as a few weeks time, through to March 24 via a different retailer.

. KS delivery (including to retailers that bought copies of the KS version) is December this year. Retail launch is next year (date not announced).

Of course, when KS is involved, official date of release even by the project creators doesn't mean much because it's all about projections.

And yeah, there will be retailers that will sell way before it because they'll simply sell their own copies. Or even before other backers get their own for cheaper than what they pledged for.

https://www.manticgames.com/kings-of-war/mini-rulebook/

Free KoW mini rulebooks!

Understandably but regrettably 1 per order, wish I could get enough for my group without paying shipping for each individually.

New plastics coming from Mantic! photos from the previously linked video interview with Ronnie.

voidtouched - described as chaff



Impalers - large infantry



Corsair - light infantry




Voidskiff - chariot approximations



As the embargo for proper trade imagery has not yet dropped, this is the best I can do. These have been added to the preorder pages on my site.

Voidtouched look interesting and nightstalkers players might be interested for variety in scarecrow hordes.

Impalers are ogre sized, which I didn't exactly expect.

Skiff looks like a nice smaller boat.

I can see that corsair net becoming a beast-scale flag with some conversion work.

But enough about my ideas, what are your thoughts?

Interesting; the corsairs have Chinese hook swords and long gaff hooks...

Looks like Archon sprues. Good plastic.

These look interesting for anything daemonic. What is the ETA on those kits?

Design of miniatures on these corsair sprues makes me think the horrible thin proportions of Mantic elves are here to stay.

I'm not impressed by the others, looks messy.

Sarouan wrote:
I'm not impressed by the others, looks messy.

Most of these suffer from the same "design choice" as Plague, the entire surface is just overloaded with incoherent texture. Is it flesh? Is it bone? Is it armour? Nobody knows. Did the sculptor have a plan or did he just go over them with the digital equivalent of a texture roller? An eternal mystery.

 Darnok wrote:
These look interesting for anything daemonic. What is the ETA on those kits?

October release. Granted, I'm just an independent retailer, but that's what I've been told.

KidCthulhu wrote:Interesting; the corsairs have Chinese hook swords and long gaff hooks...

IIRC; part of the lore is that these elves appear out of the void and grab people, so presumably the idea is that the hooks are to capture victims.

ced1106 wrote:Looks like Archon sprues. Good plastic.

Archon has done the last few Mantic releases, my understanding is that they will be Mantic's manufacturer going forward.

Sarouan wrote:Design of miniatures on these corsair sprues makes me think the horrible thin proportions of Mantic elves are here to stay.

I'm not impressed by the others, looks messy.

Always looking for something negative to say about Mantic...
One could just as easily say that Mantic has finally gotten the inhuman proportions of their elves right.
Or point out that Mantic have improved on some of the first minis they produced over a decade ago.

lord_blackfang wrote:Is it flesh? Is it bone? Is it armour? Nobody knows.

Considering that the theme is pseudo-Lovecraftian mutations due to exposure to "The Void", that's probably what design is supposed to be.

 DarkBlack wrote:

Always looking for something negative to say about Mantic...
One could just as easily say that Mantic has finally gotten the inhuman proportions of their elves right.
Or point out that Mantic have improved on some of the first minis they produced over a decade ago.
.

I'm talking about their design. Blackfang isn't impressed too, so it's not just a question of so called "something negative to say about Mantic".

But good for you if you like that. I don't think it's really an improvement here - quality of plastic sprue doesn't do everything by itself, design does still matter. I'm certainly not buying those, and I suspect I won't be alone here.

Blackfang is talking about the Impalers, you about the regular elves

And I am happy that those are not just humans with pointy ears

 kodos wrote:

And I am happy that those are not just humans with pointy ears

They also have the bow leg syndrom, apparently.



I know there are fans for the design of their first elves, and there are also people who definitely won't touch them even if you pay them. Not sure MG will gain much more of fans with that same weird incoherent design, especially with their price hikes. First elves were awful, but they were cheap. I doubt this will be the case for these new sprues.

Sarouan wrote:

I know there are fans for the design of their first elves, and there are also people who definitely won't touch them even if you pay them. Not sure MG will gain much more of fans with that same weird incoherent design, especially with their price hikes. First elves were awful, but they were cheap. I doubt this will be the case for these new sprues.

So now you're complaining about a guess?
Judging by other plastic kits* it'll likely be US$37.50 for 20 infantry, US$37.50 for 6 Impalers and £30 for two void skiffs.

Which is £5 more than a box of infantry from Northstar and two thirds 20 infantry from GW.

Not particularly cheap, but not expensive either.

*using prices half elf beserkers for infantry, nightstalker butchers for large infantry and frostclaws for larger models.

Whether one likes them or not, I would notsay Mantic elves are "incoherent".
Inhumanly slender elves is a reasonable design choice. I would argue that the difference is that Mantic has become capable of pulling it off.

 DarkBlack wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

I know there are fans for the design of their first elves, and there are also people who definitely won't touch them even if you pay them. Not sure MG will gain much more of fans with that same weird incoherent design, especially with their price hikes. First elves were awful, but they were cheap. I doubt this will be the case for these new sprues.

So now you're complaining about a guess?
Judging by other plastic kits* it'll likely be US$37.50 for 20 infantry, US$37.50 for 6 Impalers and £30 for two void skiffs.

Which is £5 more than a box of infantry from Northstar and two thirds 20 infantry from GW.

Not particularly cheap, but not expensive either.

*using prices half elf beserkers for infantry, nightstalker butchers for large infantry and frostclaws for larger models.

Whether one likes them or not, I would notsay Mantic elves are "incoherent".
Inhumanly slender elves is a reasonable design choice. I would argue that the difference is that Mantic has become capable of pulling it off.

Impalers are retail $40 for 6

Corsairs and void touched are $40 for 20

Skiffs are $50 retail for 3.

Ambush is $45 retail, with 20 corsairs and 3 impalers.

The Army and mega Army set are $110 and $165 respectively.

Mikael (looks like an impaler character on a large horse creature) is $50, a character pack is $50, and the gordrak dragon is $65.

Of course, you can always get these cheaper from independent retailers that offer discounts.

 McDougall Designs wrote:

Mikael (looks like an impaler character on a large horse creature) is $50, a character pack is $50, and the gordrak dragon is $65.

Of course, you can always get these cheaper from independent retailers that offer discounts.

Thanks for confirming!
Those look like resin prices for the characters, which likely means stls eventually.

Have they released any photos of assembled TWK minis yet?

DarkBlack wrote:

 McDougall Designs wrote:

Mikael (looks like an impaler character on a large horse creature) is $50, a character pack is $50, and the gordrak dragon is $65.

Of course, you can always get these cheaper from independent retailers that offer discounts.

Thanks for confirming!
Those look like resin prices for the characters, which likely means stls eventually.

They certainly line up with characters, large items, and other resin items that mantic produces. Considering these are a brand new Army and they obviously want to make sales of the physical product that they have manufactured, I would highly doubt that they would release STL on the vault anytime soon. I have no knowledge if that's even in the cards though so don't quote me on that.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:Have they released any photos of assembled TWK minis yet?

No. Should be sometime later this week iirc

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Have they released any photos of assembled TWK minis yet?

No, they were being previewed (assembled and painted) last Friday to pre-Clash of Kings Open Day attendees.

EDIT: Mantic's X-fomerly-known-as-Twitter account just posted pre-order up tomorrow.

My only grumble is Mikayel looks like it belongs in Nightstalkers and I wish it was.

 Baragash wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Have they released any photos of assembled TWK minis yet?

No, they were being previewed (assembled and painted) last Friday to pre-Clash of Kings Open Day attendees.

EDIT: Mantic's X-fomerly-known-as-Twitter account just posted pre-order up tomorrow.

Yay, finally some proper imagery.

finally! it's all here!

https://www.manticgames.com/kings-of-war/kings-of-war-factions/twilight-kin/

The Raging Void looks pretty decent

https://www.manticgames.com/kings-of-war/getting-started/the-raging-void-2-player-set/

edit - The Studio paint scheme isn't the greatest. I think we lose a lot of detail on the Void Touched and Impaler's, for example. A more subtle approach at picking out textures would be very rewarding.

Sorely tempted to pick up Ragin Void. It must be easier getting mates to try it out of NO ONE is the good guy, right?!

Pretty good overall, I like the dark souls vibes from the large infantry, the corsairs and void skiffs have a great raider elf theme going on.

I think I'd struggle to paint some of it, particularly the voidtouched where there's a lot of different textures blending into each other and it's difficult to figure out where one area ends and the other begins. Would probably just throw purple or green contrast over the whole thing and call them creatures of shadow, it's a lot easier to roll with a spectral look when the army allows.

Gordrake is my favourite mini from the release, just looks suitably unsettling as a gribbly creature.

I'll be getting some with Dungeon Saga, will see how I get on with painting those before deciding on a full army.

Hmm I spot a price hike tho

scarletsquig wrote:


I think I'd struggle to paint some of it, particularly the voidtouched where there's a lot of different textures blending into each other and it's difficult to figure out where one area ends and the other begins.

My interpretation of this is that creatures such as these, are so twisted by their time in the War - er, VOID, that there isn't much delineation between flesh, armour, whatever. It's just a gross body/cosmic horror Lovecraftian vibe. Hah, AoS threatened us with Cthulu Elves (oh deepkin, what could have been!), and Mantic delivered!

I'm also a DSO backer but I'm not sure I can wait. Maybe just an Ambush set, a little taster.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hmm I spot a price hike tho

That is unfortunate, we're now at a point where, for the first time I think, Mantic's hard plastics at £27.50 for 20 are exceeding the price of the cheapest GW kit (20 Night Runners for £25, an odd outlier which has, over the years, made it really easy to start playing Mordheim). With hyperinflation now standard in the UK (food doubled, energy tripled, rents & mortgages hiked by 50% over the past two years) an extra £2.50 on the boxes is probably unavoidable if Mantic wants to keep the lights on.

It is just that one outlier GW kit of course, the direct equivalent for 20 GW dark elf minis is £50.

Newer minis (lumineth for example) are £75 for 20 basic elves so Mantic is still highly competitive.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Hmm I spot a price hike tho

Ah yes. Army/Mega Army sets look like they are £5 more expensive, Ambush and starter sets look the same.

Units at full retail price are £27.50 (£35 for skiffs) which still doesn't seem too outrageous when you look at 10 chainrasps for the same price heh heh

Sarouan wrote:
They also have the bow leg syndrom, apparently.

Looks like that's for the crew on the skiffs.

 Tabletop_Magpie wrote:
edit - The Studio paint scheme isn't the greatest. I think we lose a lot of detail on the Void Touched and Impaler's, for example. A more subtle approach at picking out textures would be very rewarding.

Funny you say this, I noted the decidedly tabletop paint job as well ... and was pretty ok with it. It does make me look forward to other painters really polishing the army (and I know a number of VERY good painters who played TK using legacy Dark Elves armies), but as marketing material I'm cool with it since the other extreme is the overworked studio jobs that, for example, PP has been using for its new Warmachine releases. I find it easier to imagine how I'd paint a thing if I can see the sculpt itself, not a mass of clashing NMM layers

Anyway! Rad, full release is rad and full. I'd like to see the alternate builds on the infantry - basically I want to know if there's an Elf shooting option - but otherwise it's great to finally see everything available. Onto the rules!!