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 judgedoug wrote:
As an aside, I am familiar with both the metal and plastic Confrontation stuff (as I own both) and I absolutely love the plastic Confrontation models. Most of them were sculpted by their metal sculptors, and some of the plastics are superior to their metal sculpt counterparts - for instance, oh, the entire range of plastic Ram models are an order of magnitude better than the metals. I also prefer the Lion models, and most of the Scorpion monsters over the metal versions.

Azazel, if you get a chance, get the Lion army box. The Chimera in that box is one of the finest models Rackham had ever produced and puts their orginal metal one to shame.

oh and did you see the mega deal MM put together? http://www.miniaturemarket.com/rkh-wlf25lot.html

Wha...?!?

Anyway, does anyone know for sure that we'll be able to change up our choices?

I'd love to drop the Werewolves and the Golems and pick up more trolls and possibly something else instead.

But again, I could've sworn we've already locked in our selections?

Mantic said in an update that they will open the pledge manager back up for people to swap their choices around or add more stuff.

I missed that one - thanks!

I'm VERY glad for that opportunity!

Yeah, can always swap out stuff for more Celestine forces.

I wonder how many different sculpts of the Wolves and Trolls there are, or if it's just 3 multipart models that can have their parts interchanged.

I emailed Stew @ Mantic and got my Bogoffs changed all to Basilean stuff.

Speaking of Basileans, courtesy of Orcsbain over on the Mantic forums:






Blurry cellphone pics with flash, as is the tradition for all good preview pics. Still looking great despite that.

And some purple skinned ogres, which probably aren't actually purple, it's just the flash.

The cat looks a bit off... rather horselike legs, I'd expected it to be a wee bit longer, and not as tall, perhaps? still, perfectly fine mount, maybe just not what I expected
Is that middle model in the third pic a regular paladin? Love the model! Looks a bit of a mono-pose thing, though...

Ogres look great. I'm a bit weary of the cat rider, but it's hard to say anything for certain from those pics. The rider doesn't look very "in" the saddle.

The MoA is looking very heroic scaled compared to the paladin/sister? His head and feet both look HUGE to me.

I will have to do some slight converting come june, but bring on the 2nd shipment! wooo

I agree about those ogres being on the better end of the spectrum. Overall, I am not impressed with the consistency/quality here... I will definitely consider Mantic for modelling projects, but I'm going to want to see the sculpts before committing to things.

The exception being the Nameless/tentacle team for Dreadball... because apparently I have a thing for cthulhu stand-ins

Ogres will be getting an army box (and their own army list), so anyone wanting to get those outside of the kickstarter will still have access to a pretty sweet deal.

I agree that they turned out pretty well.. they have big arms and smaller legs, but it's not ridiculous like it is with the werewolves and trolls.

What book is that army list going to be printed in? Not the Basilean book, afaik; are they putting it in the kings&heroes supplement?

^ Yeah, that's the one.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Ogres will be getting an army box (and their own army list), so anyone wanting to get those outside of the kickstarter will still have access to a pretty sweet deal.

I agree that they turned out pretty well.. they have big arms and smaller legs, but it's not ridiculous like it is with the werewolves and ogres.

I'm guessing you meant "werewolves and trolls" in that last line

 Alpharius wrote:
Not if you're at all familiar with the original metals.

I have a hard time looking at the plastics...

I've got a whole bunch of each. I picked up a bunch of metal confrontation before it got really big, but never quite got around to painting them. Much mroe recently, I picked up a bunch of plastic Confrontation on sale from Mini Market, to theoretically try out that version of the game, but also largely as proxies for LotR, 40k (Dark Eldar) and because I always liked the Wolfen. The plastic wolfen are still decent. Stuff like the metal Dirz are (mostly) massively superior, and we won't even go into the metal Goblins (did they even make the goblins in plastic? I've never seen them).

There are actually some pretty nice sculpts in the prepaints if taken as their own thing.


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 judgedoug wrote:
As an aside, I am familiar with both the metal and plastic Confrontation stuff (as I own both) and I absolutely love the plastic Confrontation models. Most of them were sculpted by their metal sculptors, and some of the plastics are superior to their metal sculpt counterparts - for instance, oh, the entire range of plastic Ram models are an order of magnitude better than the metals. I also prefer the Lion models, and most of the Scorpion monsters over the metal versions.

Azazel, if you get a chance, get the Lion army box. The Chimera in that box is one of the finest models Rackham had ever produced and puts their orginal metal one to shame.

oh and did you see the mega deal MM put together? http://www.miniaturemarket.com/rkh-wlf25lot.html

Thanks Doug. I didn't see that Mega Deal, the last time I did a large order from MM, I don't think they had it. I did pick up a bunch of the figures that are in it in their own heavily-discounted sets. I've also got the Lions Army box - and I agree that it's a lovely model. (Never saw the metal one!)

Albino Squirrel wrote:
The werewolves appear to have some kind of ball/socket joins on the arms and heads, so I'm sure it will be possible to give them better poses. Though the legs appear to not be pose-able at all.

I'm much more disappointed in those trolls. They look terrible. They really took that tiny legs/gigantic torso and arms thing to a ridiculous extreme. They don't look like they'd be able to stand up without those tiny legs collapsing. Doesn't look like the concept art at all. I really hope I can change my buy one/get one trolls out for something else.

Ouch. Yeah, those proportions are awful. I was hoping to proxy them for LotR trolls, but the ones from Weta kind of look like they could, you know, actually exist and walk. Shame they did the same BS with the ogres. I might drop both ogres and trolls down to the minimum freebies and just redirect my BOGOFs instead of adding in extra money at this rate.

I think it looks fine for the Ogres and Trolls.

Funny isn't it?

I'm hoping to drop the Werewolves, Golems and Gargoyles so I can double up on Ogres and Trolls!

I went all-in on werewolves, so that's where the heartbreak lies for me. I guess I'll swap them out for angels or Basilean something or others.


I'm still trying to formulate in my mind the scene where someone at Mantic took a look at those werewolf greens, stared blankly at the nipples before panning his or her eyes over the misshapen arms and Verbal Kint legs, scanned back to the nipples again, unfocused his or her eyes, and just said, "looks good." Someone in the Mantic studio must have realized that there was actual money at stake and still said 'feth it', right?

And what was the sculptor thinking? "There aren't enough lactating werewolves on the market. They'll thank me for this."


I'm glad Mantic is giving me a chance to change my pledged items.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


And what was the sculptor thinking? "There aren't enough lactating werewolves on the market. They'll thank me for this."

Isn't the sculptor ex-Rackham? Because if so you may not be too far off with your theory on his thought process..

It should be easy enough to file or cut them down. I don't see them as a big problem. My main concern is the Trolls legs, but I will deal with that problem when I get there I guess.

I'll be reserving judgment untill I have them in my hand.

 Alpharius wrote:
I think it looks fine for the Ogres and Trolls.
Funny isn't it?
I'm hoping to drop the Werewolves, Golems and Gargoyles so I can double up on Ogres and Trolls!

In a sense, my opinion of a "proper" ogre goes back to the classic Jes Goodwin sculpts.


I've got a lot more variation with trolls, and most of the various GW ones (excepting the Chaos ones) have worked for me, as do the WETA LotR ones, and of course the Tunnels & Trolls 2nd Edition cover by Liz Danforth which fired my imagination as a young'un.


I don't require or need a slavish following to any of those particular interpretations, of course, but I prefer the versions that look like their legs can support their own weight.

I'll make my final selections once they send out the PM. Hopefully they will have sculpts for us to see of all the figures, so we can make properly informed choices.

I was able to change my pledge to 2 x Ogres and 2 x Trolls!

Yeah!

I did this by messaging them through the Kickstarter page, in case anyone else is looking to make adjustments.

Say what you will about Mantic, but so far, their Customer Service has been ace!

I think I'll be switching a lot of my BOGOs into ogres - enough to make an army. Going to wait a bit if the pledge manager is going to open again, so I get to see more poses (don't think we've seen great weapon ogres yet).

We haven't seen the new abyssal dwarfs yet either, have we?

Bazuzu the Vile:

oh that looks great. Who sculpted it?

Is that one of the models we're getting?

I don't know who did the sculpt.

I'm fairly sure the model won't be one of the freebie characters since it isn't one of the five characters produced as part of the high-level pledges (so far we've seen the basilean lion rider and priest, but haven't seen any of the other hero freebies).

It's an extra sculpt released for the Kings and Legends supplement.

 scarletsquig wrote:
It's an extra sculpt released for the Kings and Legends supplement.

Is he (and the other named characters) getting new rules/expanded background etc? (Because his rules are in the core rulebook).

^ I'd imagine he'll get a backstory in the K&L book and probably the same rules as the core book.

Kings and Legends is mostly a source/background book, as well as having some rules for characters and the ogre army.


Anyway, a quick update on everyone's KS pledges - if you qualify for free Basiliean Cat Cavalry (or have bought it as a BOGOF), you'll now get 5 models instead of 3, since they're normal-sized cavalry in the new rules.