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**Uriels_Flame**

That is unfortunate to hear. I'm really only interested in the pally's and foot troops.

**overtyrant**

I've turned right of Restic now, I get fed up with the mold lines and miscasts. I'm not adding anything to the Deadzone second survey (ok I might get some more scenery because there awesome! ). I'm due to get some hard plastic sprues from the DZ KS if they come out gak I'm done with Mantics miniatures (not there games as there awesome as well!)

**edlowe**

To be fair, I've not heard anything bad said about the palidins, angels or characters. Its just the poor men at arms sprue and the badly proportioned battle nuns.

The nuns on cats horses (as they've been described) aren't bad casts, just some people dont like the cats proportions, personally im one of them but I think you still have a very reasonable priced fantasy army for a fraction of a gw empire army.

personally im waiting for the perry foot knight figures to make up my own force, along with their men at arms I think you could build a very nice force. Id definitely still use the Mantic characters tho their very cool.

**judgedoug**

Men At Arms are mediocre at best, Paladins are quite nice (I'm a big fan of Rackham sculpts and they're done by Remy Tremblay)

**scarletsquig**

Quick note: Basilean Legacy is up for sale digitally for only $5:

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/126277/The-Basilean-Legacy---A-Kings-of-War-Supplement

Recommend getting it. It has three army lists, the new magic items and new Zap! rules. As well as rather a lot of background which is quite fun to read.

Kings and Legends is there as well, the book isn't as good or essential though, it is more expensive for a much smaller book that just has the ogre list which is free online anyway and overpowered special characters not intended for balanced games.

**BobtheInquisitor**

I am definitely and defiantly buying that pdf. Thanks, Scarlet!

**Eilif**

scarletsquig wrote:
Quick note: Basilean Legacy is up for sale digitally for only $5:

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/126277/The-Basilean-Legacy---A-Kings-of-War-Supplement

Recommend getting it. It has three army lists, the new magic items and new Zap! rules. As well as rather a lot of background which is quite fun to read.

Kings and Legends is there as well, the book isn't as good or essential though, it is more expensive for a much smaller book that just has the ogre list which is free online anyway and overpowered special characters not intended for balanced games.

Thanks for the heads up. I may pick that up!

Unfortunately I pretty much agree about the usefulness of Kings and Legends. I bought the paper copy out of some misguided desire to support the game for which I only use the rules (not the figures). Unfortunately, at $20 it kind of gives you the feeling like you just bought a GW product. As in a product that looks real nice, but doesn't have nearly the value it should. If I didn't have the print version I might pay the current sale price of 8 something for the PDF though.

One thing I definitely wouldn't do is buy the PDF of the KoW main rulebook. It costs only a couple bucks less than what the Hardcover costs at most online retailers, and the hardcover is a lovely book to own.

**lord marcus**

Eilif wrote:
scarletsquig wrote:
Quick note: Basilean Legacy is up for sale digitally for only $5:

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/126277/The-Basilean-Legacy---A-Kings-of-War-Supplement

Recommend getting it. It has three army lists, the new magic items and new Zap! rules. As well as rather a lot of background which is quite fun to read.

Kings and Legends is there as well, the book isn't as good or essential though, it is more expensive for a much smaller book that just has the ogre list which is free online anyway and overpowered special characters not intended for balanced games.

Thanks for the heads up. I may pick that up!

Unfortunately I pretty much agree about the usefulness of Kings and Legends. I bought the paper copy out of some misguided desire to support the game for which I only use the rules (not the figures). Unfortunately, at $20 it kind of gives you the feeling like you just bought a GW product. As in a product that looks real nice, but doesn't have nearly the value it should. If I didn't have the print version I might pay the current sale price of 8 something for the PDF though.

One thing I definitely wouldn't do is buy the PDF of the KoW main rulebook. It costs only a couple bucks less than what the Hardcover costs at most online retailers, and the hardcover is a lovely book to own.

ok, see, there ya go. Yes, the hardcover is a wonderful book (I have one, signed by several mantic staff) however, what I would like to say is that through that PDF copy I printed a "gaming" copy, which I got bound at staples. By getting the PDF, you open the avenue of not having to completely tear up your nice hardback (as many gamers are wont to do.)

**Azazelx**

Out of interest, what kinds of tablets are people finding good for gaming rules/large PDF files? I think it's probably time for me to get one shortly, but I do.t want one that's going to struggle with some of the larger pdf files I have...

Don't

**judgedoug**

Azazelx wrote:
Out of interest, what kinds of tablets are people finding good for gaming rules/large PDF files? I think it's probably time for me to get one shortly, but I do.t want one that's going to struggle with some of the larger pdf files I have...

Don't

I got a cheaper one a few months back specifically for using pdf's on and it sucks. Well, not sucks - it's like almost good enough. It's a 7" single core 1.2 ghz with 512 megs of ram that was like $50 on sale. It doesn't have enough memory to fully load the pdf so if i open it up, then jump ahead like 50 pages, it has to reload, and then if i go back to where I just was, it has to reload again. The 800x480 resolution is not good enough to make text readable without zooming in. And it really doesn't like running more than one thing at a time. Basically it's only good for checking forums or email or playing Angry Birds, but not all simultaneously. Definitely get a multicore tablet with1-2 gigs at least so it can fully load a pdf into memory with an HD screen. I'd spend at least 200 on a good one otherwise you may regret it.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

You'll also find the really cheap no-name tablets have batteries that last all of 5 mins

**judgedoug**

i've heard good things about a generic company called Contixo that makes good budget tablets, I've been eyeing the LR102 with a 1.6 ghz dual core, 1 gig of ram, and 1024x600 10.1" display and up to 8 hours battery life.

**GiraffeX**

I keep my pdf rulebooks on my Kindle Fire and haven't had any issues.

**overtyrant**

Galaxy tab 2, 10.1 inch. Only cost me £200 and its fanrastic. I use it for all my internet needs now as well as getting gaming PDFs etc...

**Wayniac**

scarletsquig wrote:
Quick note: Basilean Legacy is up for sale digitally for only $5:

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/126277/The-Basilean-Legacy---A-Kings-of-War-Supplement

Recommend getting it. It has three army lists, the new magic items and new Zap! rules. As well as rather a lot of background which is quite fun to read.

Kings and Legends is there as well, the book isn't as good or essential though, it is more expensive for a much smaller book that just has the ogre list which is free online anyway and overpowered special characters not intended for balanced games.

Oh yeah!! I am doing a Basilean army (I like the men at arms! :p) for Kings of War versus my brother's Undead army, and this was all I was waiting for to get army background.

**NTRabbit**

Azazelx wrote:
Out of interest, what kinds of tablets are people finding good for gaming rules/large PDF files? I think it's probably time for me to get one shortly, but I do.t want one that's going to struggle with some of the larger pdf files I have...

Don't

About this time last year I got a pretty good Toshiba AT300 from JB Hifi for well under retail - nothing wrong with the tablet at all, it just never had enough hook to generate sales over the iPad/Galaxytab/Googletab, so Toshiba were abandoning the market and dumping all their remaining local stock for a pittance.

Ideally you should watch for things like that happening.

**skrulnik**

I use a Kindle Fire HD 8.9" for my portable pdf needs.

It can be a bit sluggish with some pdfs, but others run well.
For example, I noticed the new Warmachine league pdf loads slow, while the Deadzone rulebook is very smooth.

**Azazelx**

NTRabbit wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
Out of interest, what kinds of tablets are people finding good for gaming rules/large PDF files? I think it's probably time for me to get one shortly, but I do.t want one that's going to struggle with some of the larger pdf files I have...

Don't

About this time last year I got a pretty good Toshiba AT300 from JB Hifi for well under retail - nothing wrong with the tablet at all, it just never had enough hook to generate sales over the iPad/Galaxytab/Googletab, so Toshiba were abandoning the market and dumping all their remaining local stock for a pittance.

Ideally you should watch for things like that happening.

Good point, but it's a bit hard to plan purchases around that sort of thing - it's more of an impulse/reactionary purchase. I think my lead runner for the moment is a Samsung Galaxy TAB3 10.1" 16GB from DSE in 2 1/2 weeks or so for AU$348. Electronics are one of the few things I'm not comfortable with buying online/via mail order.

Still, it'll be much easier to use the PDF rules for stuff like KoW when playing. I might even buy the Basilean Legacy for $5 despite having the book!

**edlowe**

New dwarfs from the latest blog post.

The Time of War is Now

Kings of War is the game of epic fantasy battles and the next two months sees the launch of the new Hellfire and Stone supplement, as well as brand new additions to the Dwarfs and Abyssal Dwarfs.

Dwarfs

Dwarfs dwell in great halls under the earth, having carved out a subterranean empire beneath the feet of the surface peoples. They are unyielding in all matters, whether in business or war, and they excel at both.

The Dwarfs are a stolid race of warriors, skilled with hammer and axe, and we’re revisiting them with the new Bulwarkers, Dwarf Bombard and Berserker Brock Riders, adding speed, armour and all-round devastation to this army – plus a few new heroic characters too!

The new units will join the substantial plastic range we already have, which will also get a freshening-up with new photography.

Abyssal Dwarfs

An army of Abyssal Dwarfs is a terrifying prospect to face. Blending the prodigious weaponcraft of the Dwarfs with the dark sorcery of the Abyss, these degenerates march out to secure slaves for their vast forge-pits.

Fuelled by the patronage of cruel gods, the Abyssal Dwarfs excel at close-quarters fighting where they can witness the suffering they inflict first-hand. They are supported by evil creatures summoned from the depths of the Abyss itself, as well as disturbing hybrids born of twisted experiments.

For the first time the Abyssal Dwarfs are getting all-plastic infantry kits with no less than the Immortal Guard, Gargoyles, and Lesser Obsidian Golems ranking up alongside the Halfbreed Cavalry, Katsuchan Rocket Launcher, Black Souls and Decimators.

The new additions means a revamped Army Set for each race alongside the new regiment kits so that you can build and grow the core of your army nice and easily, and a beautiful new book by Alessio Cavatore and Dylan Owen to create an all-new Kings of War experience.

Over the next couple of weeks we’re going to be delving into these units as well as explore the armies of Kings of War. We want to see your armies and hear your tales of battle. Leaves us pictures on the Mantic Facebook page and please, recount your most famous battles in the comments!

Ready your swords and gather your army, war is coming to Mantica!

PS – Check back on Friday for more previews and all you need to know about the Hellfire and Stone supplement!

Mantic Games

Pretty certain they mean Restic not sprued hard plastic, unless anyone knows different?

**scarletsquig**

Some new news! Some new units being released that weren't part of the Kickstarter.

Dwarf and Abyssal Dwarf releases are coming next month, more details on Friday:

http://manticblog.com/2014/03/19/the-time-of-war-is-now/

Dwarfs are getting Brock Riders, Bombard and Bulwarkers.

Abyssal Dwarfs are getting their kickstarter stuff (gargoyles, abyssal golems, immortal guard).

Both armies are also getting a new army set and some characters.

There will also be a supplement book detailing the wars between the two races.

**Wayniac**

Oooooh plastic Abyssal Dwarfs? I might have to look into that. I've never been fond of dwarfs really but the Abyssal ones look interesting. Plus I have the idea to make them like WoW' Dark Iron Dwarves, complete with the golem thingies which they conveniently have.

Actually I'm a bit confused, are these NEW releases or things that were around that just haven't been released yet? I mean, is this going to be new Abyssal Dwarf plastics to replace the plastic+metal ones that there are now, or something else?

**highlord tamburlaine**

Color me curious about this too.

If we get some real plastic abyssal dwarves, I'd be up for a few. I've always liked the centaur types, but can't be bothered in metal or a mixture of different materials.

**scarletsquig**

By plastic they mean restic, naturally.

**timetowaste85**

Sounds like a bunch of the releases are KS minis that a bunch of us have already. Brock Riders are cool models, and the golems looked awesome. Should be a good release.

**Wayniac**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Sounds like a bunch of the releases are KS minis that a bunch of us have already. Brock Riders are cool models, and the golems looked awesome. Should be a good release.

That might explain why I've seen pictures of brock riders, but have never been able to find them available to order. So maybe they are mass-producing the previous KS-only things, and adding more?

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scarletsquig wrote:
By plastic they mean restic, naturally.

Is their "restic" like the same stuff as what PP uses for Warmahordes? I get confused by the terms because I've heard "restic" used for the other kind of plastic (i.e. not the kind GW uses) as well as actual plastic/resin hybrids.

Since I have Mantic liked on Facebook I asked there, maybe I'll get an update.

**Azazelx**

scarletsquig wrote:
new units being released that weren't part of the Kickstarter.

I don't understand the statement. Can someone translate?

**edlowe**

Azazelx wrote:
scarletsquig wrote:
new units being released that weren't part of the Kickstarter.

I don't understand the statement. Can someone translate?

I think that means the Bulwarkers and Dwarf Bombard. Didn't back the ks

so not entirely sure.

**Azazelx**

WayneTheGame wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
Sounds like a bunch of the releases are KS minis that a bunch of us have already. Brock Riders are cool models, and the golems looked awesome. Should be a good release.

That might explain why I've seen pictures of brock riders, but have never been able to find them available to order. So maybe they are mass-producing the previous KS-only things, and adding more?

Is their "restic" like the same stuff as what PP uses for Warmahordes? I get confused by the terms because I've heard "restic" used for the other kind of plastic (i.e. not the kind GW uses) as well as actual plastic/resin hybrids.

More or less. There are different formulations of the stuff (as there are with metal, resin, etc) but basically the same. Even Mantic's stuff varies between high quality, perfect casts, almost as good as HIPS like the undead cavalry and shoddy, warped stuff hurriedly torn off sprues (all their KS stuff).

It also looks like they've sculpted a "command set" for the brock riders. Ordinarily those would be metal, as they did with the Ogres, but maybe they're restic this time? Not sure, Mantic isn't really known for being upfront or entirely honest about materials these days. Hence calling restic plastic. (And any pedants who want to argue the finer technical points can just feth off in advance, we all know what we mean.

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edlowe wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
scarletsquig wrote:
new units being released that weren't part of the Kickstarter.

I don't understand the statement. Can someone translate?

I think that means the Bulwarkers and Dwarf Bombard. Didn't back the ks so not entirely sure.

Oh, I know. I was just being a sarcastic prick.

**privateer4hire**

scarletsquig wrote:
By plastic they mean restic, naturally.

Crap. Was hoping at least some of these would be hard plastic.

**Eilif**

scarletsquig wrote:
By plastic they mean restic, naturally.

That would be unfortunate. I've gpt a 2000 point Bad Guy (Evil humans and their allies) without a single Mantic miniature in it. If they were hard plastic, I'd definitely add some Abyssal dwarf units. Might still grab a unit if they go on sale somewhere, but I'm really not interested in more Restic miniatures.