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Nope, not restic as Scarletsquig says above it is the same "newer" plastic that was used with Loka (now with a slightly different formulation) and will be used with Mars Attacks.

@DaveC at current exchange rates $50 is just under £30, so the $100 (thus £60 odd) level pledge seems reasonable for a boxed game and multiple extras.

 Pacific wrote:

What's wrong with the idea of some Reptilian good guys for once? They could be misunderstood because of their looks, but actually quite nice guys - break the mould a little
But yes, hopefully they would have jumpsuits or something rather than Aztex-style outfits..

Both of these are well-established in the D&D side of things. Just not so much with the Warhams.

And even Fishmen.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Nope, not restic as Scarletsquig says above it is the same "newer" plastic that was used with Loka (now with a slightly different formulation) and will be used with Mars Attacks.

@DaveC at current exchange rates $50 is just under £30, so the $100 (thus £60 odd) level pledge seems reasonable for a boxed game and multiple extras.

Sorry, I just don't buy Mantic's "new new newer!!" plastic.

Restic was just their coined term for PVC. These just sounds like a different formulation of PVC. Are they honestly trying to say it's not PVC? I would only believe that if they explicitly said what it is. "New formulations" and the whole "softer/harder formulation" language absolutely reeks of PVC.

Pretty sure privateer press came up with the term first.

I'll grant you that they were the first to wear that badge of dishonor, Sining.

It might still be PVC, but definitely a different sort, I have Loka and the minis are completely different material to restic.

If the detail is good and it doesn't take 5 years to clean and assemble each model like with restic, I don't care what it is.

It might still need a little bit of hot water bending, but again, from experience the Loka minis are easier to do this with than restic.

That's the smallest problem though, the biggest one is mould lines, I do not have time for spending 20-30 mins per mini on cleanup and assembly like I had to do with Deadzone. It should never take me longer to clean and assemble a mini than it does to paint it. It's the part count that makes it difficult.. if it comes in one or two pieces its fine, but all the Deadzone stuff is a mess of between 4-8 separate parts, which all have to have mould lines removed individually pre-assembly.

With Mars Attacks I am hoping to be able to spend 5 mins on cleanup, hit it with spray primer, then on to painting,, I have some AP desert yellow spray so the US marines at least will just be a case of spray, paint flesh, paint gun, pouches and boots in dark brown, wash, done.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, word is that the sweet spot for this will be $100, so not a major hit on the wallet.

Which is nice, but it's still more than I want to be spending on nebulous "in the future" stuff. Mantic is far and away the best at sticking to schedule, but I've gotten to the point that I could not buy anything new for the next six months and not really be able to tell I'd stopped between DZ Wave 2/3, DBX, KD:M, DFG, Bones II and SDE arriving in that timeframe (and likely a bit beyond).

Again, you put dragon-men on the table and we may still be talking turkey, and maybe there's some other back-pocket trick Mantic will pull out to get me to spend yet more dollars that I just haven't thought of yet. Time will tell I suppose.

PVC is "restic". No shell game with different formulations! If they get better results now, fine, but they need to own up to the material. They made this bed... now they have to sleep in it.

With any luck, some people might get their Mars Attacks KS deliveries before the DKQ KS closes to post reviews of the material.

In fact it might have been better for Mantic to delay this KS by a few weeks until after DZ wave 2 and Mars Attacks shipping, both have been hit by small delays, so backers there might not have as much appetite for this one while they're waiting on stuff from the others. It's something that could be said about nearly every Mantic KS though, I'm waiting on three of them currently.,, it usually works out okay though, I've backed so many that I'll back a new one just as the stuff from a previous one arrives.

I've been a little disappointed with KoW and Deadzone, the restic in KoW wasn't a good material choice for large armies, and Deadzone I'd have preferred a delayed delivery rather than it being rushed out before Christmas, the rules in particular feel rushed and poorly playtested. They're good and the game is fun, it just needs a lot more polish.

The main thing they do have going for them though is delivering on schedule, with delays never lasting more than a month or two, with multiple shipping waves so the stuff that's ready to ship doesn't just sit in the warehouse. In a world where we expect Kickstarters to be 6-36 months late as standard, it's pretty good going.

 RiTides wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Nope, not restic as Scarletsquig says above it is the same "newer" plastic that was used with Loka (now with a slightly different formulation) and will be used with Mars Attacks.

@DaveC at current exchange rates $50 is just under £30, so the $100 (thus £60 odd) level pledge seems reasonable for a boxed game and multiple extras.

Sorry, I just don't buy Mantic's "new new newer!!" plastic.

Restic was just their coined term for PVC. These just sounds like a different formulation of PVC. Are they honestly trying to say it's not PVC? I would only believe that if they explicitly said what it is. "New formulations" and the whole "softer/harder formulation" language absolutely reeks of PVC.

No need to get hot about it. Loka and Deadzone figures feel like very different materials to me, whatever the chemical names of the formulation are, and I am no scientist. The good thing to me is that Mantic are trying to deal with the limitations of the material they 'mainly' produce in. The material for KOW/ Deadzone etc is not ideal due to bending/miscasts/ mould lines etc. If this "new new newer" stuff is better when we have it in hand they can call it "Mantic Fantastic Fastic Plastic" for all I care. If it is not, then we can all take issue. I think the thing that most of us want is a material that offers sculpts that match the detail of the resin masters, is relatively cheap, hard wearing and easy to glue.

You're right, and I apologize for my tone.

However, I do care what they call it, and I can't think of a campaign they've done where they didn't say their formulation was different/improved from last time.

I view all of this discussion, and more informed wargamers/consumers, as a positive. But "harder soft plastic" and the like is, I think, not going to cut it now that people are more informed. It's PVC... if they are getting better results with it, I heartily welcome it, but as squig implies most people will want to see that to believe it.

Agreed on that. I think that an awful lot of companies, and us consumers, saw PVC as the dawn of a great new time in wargaming but the results have not yet really justified it. As a result people are a lot more weary of PVC based miniature kickstarters and the like. On this occasion with Mantic we are sensible to wait until Mars Attacks is in hand to judge if the material has been improved to satisfactory levels and is suitable for this fantasy based project.

The same is true for the sci-fi plastic units due for Deadzone, let us hope that Mantic do not "pull a Basilean Man at Arms" on the matter.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Agreed on that. I think that an awful lot of companies, and us consumers, saw PVC as the dawn of a great new time in wargaming but the results have not yet really justified it. As a result people are a lot more weary of PVC based miniature kickstarters and the like. On this occasion with Mantic we are sensible to wait until Mars Attacks is in hand to judge if the material has been improved to satisfactory levels and is suitable for this fantasy based project.

The same is true for the sci-fi plastic units due for Deadzone, let us hope that Mantic do not "pull a Basilean Man at Arms" on the matter.

I've held the zombie sprue. In terms of detail, it is at the least on par with the best of Renedra/GW, if not better. As the factory gets more confident with sprue layouts I'm sure the relative lack of extras will be sorted too.

It really would be nice if Mars Attacks! finds its way into backers' hands around the same time as Dungeon Sagas launches. If people could have all this new material stuff in hand to help assuage any fears or reservations about what the quality of figures are like, I think it would help A LOT. Bring a lot of the naysayers back. If Mars Attacks! is solid out of the box, it could be a real watershed moment for Mantic.

Also come hell or high water I will continue to hope and pine for scaly heroes, be they born of dragons, reptiles, or of the ocean depths.

Plus, not sure if everyone has been following those runes or not, but there's been some progress on those runes unlocking.

The pics I posted of the Mars Attacks stuff on the previous page are actual shots of the production minis, a random box taken off the stack sitting in China and airmailed to Mantic. I've spoken to someone who saw them still in the shrink wrap bags and he said they're almost entirely free of mould lines and look great so I don't think those pics are after Mantic removed the mould lines and hot water bent them either.

At this point it's a given that DKQ will have the same level of quality.

I'll just leave these here:

.. They have started to arrive? Or did you get yours early Deadleh?

Is it the same plastic they use for Dust Tactics models?

 Pacific wrote:


.. They have started to arrive? Or did you get yours early Deadleh?

I got to play around with the production box Not mine yet sadly!

There are some mold lines if you look hard enough, but honestly they're really not noticeable and wouldn't stick out unless you were going for studio quality.

I'd be extremely happy if I could get away without having to remove any mould lines, I can't stand having to do that, and so far I've only owned a few very nicely cast resins that didn't require it.

Definitely looking promising, the earlier MA production test models had some clearly visible lines on them and I'm not seeing many on the minis in those pics, you can easily tell from the bases.

I think the different manufacturer might be a factor too... whoever makes the restic seems a bit lazy and cost-cutting, resulting in a much lower quality restic than it should be. The early restic was great and had almost no mould lines and not much warping... then after the restic manufacturer secured a big contract and started doing huge batch production like the Dreadball KS the quality went straight out of the window, and the complaints about it started to rack up. After the Corporation marines was where it all went wrong I think, I have 100 of those and they're great, if only the same could be said for my basileans where every single one of them needs bending back into shape.

It would be nice if more miniatures companies put effort into reducing or eliminating mould lines, there are companies making model kits in Japan that have no mould lines at all.

Those are some nice pics Daedleh. Gives me hope for both Mars Attacks! and Dungeon Sagas.

Clean models with crisp details straight out of the box will hopefully give Mantic a push towards being a bigger player in the board game arena (with the Warpath plastics being the big push for tabletop gaming).

The original Dwarf King's Hold was a pretty well received game rules- wise, but I had read many frustrated reviews about the quality of the box, components, and having to actually build the figures that put a lot of players off.

Hopefully this is Mantic getting over the hump.

Dwarven hero pic from the Mantic blog

I love Mantic's dwarf aesthetic. Very much Dragon Age,

http://www.beastsofwar.com/mantic-games/dwarf-kings-quest-interview-ronnie-mantic-games/

Ronnie spills the beans on Dungeon Sagas Dwarf King's Quest in this Beasts of War interview.

Confirms the game will be a spiritual successor to games like Milton Bradley's HeroQuest and Games Workshop's Warhammer Quest.

Confirms same one piece, ready to play out of the box, round base moulded on (interfaces with existing Mantic bases?), same PVC material as Mars Attacks miniatures.

Confirms thicker, better tiles than Dwarf King's Hold.

Confirms 4 core heroes (Dwarf fighter, human wizard, human barbarian, Elf archer) and 4 additional heroes.

1. "Shape Shifter from the new nature army"
2. Basilian Sister Cleric
3. "Lizardman Salamander type"
4. ? (Based on sculpts we have seen thus far could be: Dwarf Engineer, Human Basilian Paladin, Halfling thief)

Baddies Confirmed: Undead Dwarf King and his retinue of armored undead Dwarfs, Undead Trolls and Undead Troll Shaman. Banshee, Necromancer, Ghosts, Skeletons, Zombies

Wonder if he means Molded bases Like mars attacks? Would suit the board game feel, plus make it easier to sell to board gamers.

Does Ronnie actually say "PVC" now?

That would be nice, and a step in the right direction towards the death of the term "restic"!

I didn't think the mars attacks figures were pvc, I've got some loka figures and their nothing like restic, their basicly a board game plastic thats alot easier to clean than my dz stuff.

 edlowe wrote:
I didn't think the mars attacks figures were pvc, I've got some loka figures and their nothing like restic, their basicly a board game plastic thats alot easier to clean than my dz stuff.

There are many different ways to prepare PVC, and 'restic' is just one. Mars Attacks, DBX, Loka and now Dungeon Sagas are another. The most common way of course, is the type you'll find in the cupboard underneath your sink, closely followed by the floor of your 70s vintage residence

Very versatile plastic, PVC, and I'd be fine with them dropping restic and going with hard PVC and soft PVC, or just PVC if they don't feel they need to distinguish.

And here's the banshee

I am so going to be in for this one

Despite also living in hope of receiving HQ25 some day