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As we have your ear Daedleh, wil the pledge amounts be available as add on pladges after the KS has finished? I mean if I can only pledge $1 before christmas but want the $75 pledge level will I be able to do that on the manager?

I honestly don't know sorry. You'd be best off asking on the Mantic Facebook page I think. I would have thought so, but please don't quote me on it

I've only been closely involved in the rules development. We've had some brief meetings about ideas for the KS and I've heard some vague pledge amounts thrown about but that's all I know about the KS side. The fact that it's starting so soon was news to me as well!

Mantic wants to keep their fantasy and sci-fi more separate than GW did right? So it's unlikely that we'll see a "fantasy Z'zor" I imagine? I'd love me an insectoid fantasy army like that!

Apparently so, though I can't for the life of me understand why. They already have Orcs, Dwarves, almost-elves, ratmen in their sci-fi. Insect-people in fantasy aren't that common, but it's certainly been done before so it's not a huge stretch of the imagination or anything.

New Kickstarter discussion thread on Dakka. That I should have looked for before posting in this one maybe ; p

Kings of War Kickstarter launches Friday 14th November! 1:30pm GMT!

1:30 PM Greenwich Mean Time conversion to worldwide times:
- New York 8:30 AM
- Houston 7:30 AM
- Berlin 2:30 PM
- Perth 9:30 PM
- Sydney* 0:30 AM Next Day

Got this in an email, wasn't expecting that.

Mantis discussion forum KS discussion thread and wishlist thread.

10:30 PM tonight for me!

 Yonan wrote:
Mantic wants to keep their fantasy and sci-fi more separate than GW did right? So it's unlikely that we'll see a "fantasy Z'zor" I imagine? I'd love me an insectoid fantasy army like that!

Makes me think of the insectoids from the Raymond E Feist 'Magician' series (I forget their name), think something like that would be extremely cool!

The thing is, I bet they would be open to suggestion to something like that, might be worth mentioning on the official forums perhaps?

Cho-ja, and I thought the same ; ) There was talk a while ago about how the Riftwar would be a great license for Mantic to get iirc, but yeah it was just talk.

Would prefer his Empire trilogy. Didn't like his other books but those are some of the best fantasy literature I've ever read.

So the Dungeon Saga pledge manager just hit open release after testing with the earlybirds and $1 backers. Just doing mine now, it's certainly generations ahead of the old google docs system.

Open until March 1st, not sure if they're doing non-backer invites but you can always ask if you missed out.

Edit: Haha, 503 server timeout at the first button, guess I'm not the only one who just frantically clicked on the email link

I did my part in helping crash it! We have so long to do it, I guess there's no big hurry.

Are we able to go back in before the 1st and add junk after we complete our initial run?

I think so, you just can't change which base pledge you go for once you've selected it - which isn't much of a bother considering it's $100 for the game, or over $1000 for a studio painted copy, and that's all.

Has anyone else found that the images aren't loading in the pledge manager?

I'm using Google Chrome, for what it's worth.

Seems better in firefox, aside from the initial 2 pledge images.

So, fun facts to make the shopping a bit easier. If you hover over the price, it changes to a shopping cart so you can just click 'add' there, without having to go into the next screen. Also, on the drop down 'shopping cart' you can click on the picture to remove the item.

Now, I'm trying to figure out what all the missing heroes I've err, missed, are.

After finalizing my pledge, I can assure you all that you are most certainly able to add more stuff afterwards.

I'm unsure on a couple of things though.

The traps- are they all going to be spikes, or will there be a bit of variety? Was that ever discussed?

The dungeon critters and resin heroes (or basically all the resin in general)- will they have bases for them? The standard DS cobblestone ones perhaps?

I might grab those if I knew one way or the other.

How long is the pledge manager open? And how long until we need to pay?

It's open until the 1st of March and that's the point where you have to pay.

Same date, March 1

So, the main part of my pledge so far is:

The Dungeon Master
The 3 sets of Legendary Heroes
All the expansions
Acrylic Counters

I'm not sure whether to go for the Black Fortress tileset, or whether it's worth going for any of the other standalone heroes. - I mean, I probably have loads of troops in my collection that could stand in for basically anything. In saying that, I could be tempted by Ravanna and the Dwarf Engineer, as they seem unique-ish enough.

On the other hand, I probably already have a dwarf engineer in my old warhammer fantasy boxes. And I'm sure there's plenty of other witch models out there too.

I'm tempted by the critters too, but again I'm guessing you can get them pretty much anywhere.

The pledge manager does not like my iPad :(

 Compel wrote:
So, the main part of my pledge so far is:

The Dungeon Master
The 3 sets of Legendary Heroes
All the expansions
Acrylic Counters

I'm not sure whether to go for the Black Fortress tileset, or whether it's worth going for any of the other standalone heroes. - I mean, I probably have loads of troops in my collection that could stand in for basically anything. In saying that, I could be tempted by Ravanna and the Dwarf Engineer, as they seem unique-ish enough.

On the other hand, I probably already have a dwarf engineer in my old warhammer fantasy boxes. And I'm sure there's plenty of other witch models out there too.

I'm tempted by the critters too, but again I'm guessing you can get them pretty much anywhere.

I think the Black Fortress tile set is worth it for a few reasons: 1) you will already have a narrative campaign using it in your Dungeon Journal, 2) when factoring in the "cost" of the furniture & doors, the tiles are only costing you an extra $5 - it's good value, 3) the focus of the game is creating/randomising and playing your own scenarios, and this would give you substantially more variety to play with.

You can get the dungeon critters elsewhere, but $1 per resin miniature is about as cheap as you're going to find for that material. Reaper Bones may be better for less mutated-looking rats though (although not any cheaper, even in PVC). Shame the old Warhammer Quest vermin sprue isn't still in production!

I too am tempted by the dwarf, as I think the nice detail of the sculpt would be properly carried through in resin!

I also personally think the "Resin Counter Upgrade" - $10 for 28 counters that really do look nice - is an easy purchase if you can afford it.

I'm thinking the same thing as Bioptic- the Black Fortress is worth it if you were already planning on getting any extra scenery. For just a few bucks more you can get the tiles as well, which makes sense since you're already getting the campaign included.

My Black Fortress is more than likely going to end up being a Skaven stronghold at some point. If Mantic doesn't give us any ratmen stats in that journal, I'm sure I can pull some by comparing some unofficial Kings of War stats with some comparative figures that do end up in Dungeon Saga.

I went ahead and grabbed the critters as well as the acrylic counters. I figure the critters will at least be uniform with all the stuff that's in the game, as they should include Dungeon Saga bases. But then I went and ordered a few extra bases as well to base even more critters if the mood should strike me.

Counters seemed like a good deal. I just hope they are more easily readable than the Deadzone ones.

I think you've convinced me about the fortress then!

I was planning on the counters, but yeah, the Deadzone ones are a bit pants, but the Dreadball ones were great.

 Azazelx wrote:
Apparently so, though I can't for the life of me understand why. They already have Orcs, Dwarves, almost-elves, ratmen in their sci-fi. Insect-people in fantasy aren't that common, but it's certainly been done before so it's not a huge stretch of the imagination or anything.

imagine fighting an insectoid in fantasy. Tough carapace armoured bugs, making an entire army armoured with the equivalent if full plate? They would be very hard to kill, realistically.

I'd love Mantic to do an insectoid army. Always loved Thri-Kreen, Cho-ja and recently Z'zor.

Blackhoof wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Apparently so, though I can't for the life of me understand why. They already have Orcs, Dwarves, almost-elves, ratmen in their sci-fi. Insect-people in fantasy aren't that common, but it's certainly been done before so it's not a huge stretch of the imagination or anything.

imagine fighting an insectoid in fantasy. Tough carapace armoured bugs, making an entire army armoured with the equivalent if full plate? They would be very hard to kill, realistically.

They'd just have different bugs in the army. Fast-flying but squishy bugs, tough army ants, soft-bodied wasps as glass cannon, big-ass spider monster. (yeah, I know arachnids, but you get the idea). Remember, they're fighting these dudes. They will still feth you up, regardless of whether you're in full plate or armoured carapace.

That John Lithgow Orc looks downright terrifying.

New pics from the latest dkh update







The gobos look awesome, I just wish the kow plastic kit was that good.

Not loving the Goblins as they look less comic-y :/

I prefer the more evil and cunning look myself

If they were a regimental release for kow I'd buy a bucket load.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Not loving the Goblins as they look less comic-y :/

I think that is what I like at them.