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**Donomar**

Àny chance of those undead dwarfs being released as a boxset unit because they can take my money if they are!

**Tyr13**

Very unlikely. Ebay would be your best bet once theyre out. And even then theres just one pose.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Where was there confirmation there were only 8 races?

Was this something Jake said, or just fan conjecture? Genuinely curious, as I can't seem to find any evidence.

We've already got:
Naiad
Salamander
Human
Elf
Dwarf
Halfling
Dryad

plus with the last minute add ons, if they count as new races even(?)-
Vampire
Undead
Twilight Kin

So that's already 10 races, if each of those is an actual race as opposed to a class.

I hope they give rules for Ogres, seeing as how they're allies with the Basileans anyways.

Maybe if we're really lucky we can get some greenskin rules, and I've got an excuse to use some of those Stonehaven Half- Orcs I've got coming.

**DaveC**

Its in today's update

There are eight races and nine professions to start you off.

**BobtheInquisitor**

NTRabbit wrote:
KoW pledge manager by the end of the month as well

I wish they would slow it down. I just paid for the DKQ stuff.

**JoshInJapan**

I want about 30 of those orcs to use as Sniffs.

**Theophony**

JoshInJapan wrote:
I want about 30 of those orcs to use as Sniffs.

seconded

**NTRabbit**

str00dles1 wrote:
Do they have it open by chance for people who missed it? I know they did that with deadzone

Probably, drop them an email and ask

**JoshInJapan**

I just finalized my DKH pledge manager. Only went $70 over my pledge, which I think is shows a fair amount of self-control.

**ArtIsGreat**

Is that demon wearing suspenders? Those better be some pretty evil suspenders ...

**winterdyne**

The orc archer is one of the nicest figures I've painted in a very long time.

**edlowe**

New update

Since the very beginning of Mantic Games we’ve tried to be as inclusive as possible.

From running the Kings of War Beta test way back in 2010 to fan-additions made to our Mars Attacks game, the community and their feedback has been central to the way we create our games.

With Dungeon Saga, this has been no different. From way back when we did Dwarf King’s Hold – our original dungeon crawler – and the feedback we had on that game, right through to the Dungeon Saga Alpha rules that you were able to play and feedback on in August 2014 when we were running the Kickstarter campaign, we’ve been collating feedback the whole time.

Recently we held a beta test at Mantic Towers and as we said in the last update, there were plenty of great suggestions on ways to improve the game. So much so we held back the beta rules, improved and iterated on them, and put them together into a new format.

On March 7th we’re holding a second Dungeon Saga playtest day at Mantic HQ, which you’re invited to attend. Just email dave@manticgames.com if you wish to attend.

A face-to-face playtest day is great, but we want all of you to get involved and, as promised, we’ve put the latest iteration of the rules together into the files below ready for you to download.

About the rules

In this folder you will find the Rulebook, Scenario Book, plus all of the stats and cards you need to play the game. You’ll need to mock up your own counters, tiles and find a few models to play with.

As you can see, the rules and the layout are not yet complete, and your feedback will influence the final design of the game.

The maps for example are currently just photographs (and, as they’re a little hard to read, we’ve also included a folder of higher-res imagery so you can get a better look at them).

. That means that there may be some things missing.

So here’s how you can give us your feedback…

We are looking for feedback on a number of specific topics:

- Are the rules easy to understand?

- Is the game easy to learn?

- Is the game fun?

- What did you enjoy about the game?

- What didn’t you like about the game?

We’ve set-up a board on the Mantic Forum dedicated to giving feedback on the rules, scenarios and rulebook.

Games Developer Jake Thornton has also set up this Q+A post on this Quirkworthy blogfor any questions on the Dungeon Saga Beta Rules.

If you want to have a say on the rules then you must submit your feedback by Monday 9th March. This feedback will then be collated and taken into consideration.

Alternatively you can submit feedback to dave@manticgames.com.

Finally, if you have a question regarding the pledge manager, please message us here on the Kickstarter. We cannot always monitor the comments as much as we like, no matter how hard we try, and we are working through our messages as fast as we can.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Link to beta rules

https://db.tt/xbLFQHBr

**squall018**

Glad to see they're making progress. All the minis I've seen so far look good, though I'm sure they're masters.

Is the link to the rules working? I can't get it to work, but I'm on my work computer, so that may have something to do with it.

**NTRabbit**

The KoW2 pledge manager invites have started going out today, and everyone will have one by next monday. It closes end of March, pretty quick turn around, so I hope they get a rules beta public pretty quickly, especially since there seem to be some ongoing battles between Alessio and the Rules Committee on the Mantic forum.

**BobtheInquisitor**

End of March? I just paid for the Dungeon Saga pledge manager. There are only so many tricks I can turn in a month!

Will there be a second opportunity for the pledge manager later? That's pretty much the only way I am adding any funds.

**Psychopomp**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
End of March? I just paid for the Dungeon Saga pledge manager. There are only so many tricks I can turn in a month!

Will there be a second opportunity for the pledge manager later? That's pretty much the only way I am adding any funds.

AND the DZ2 Kickstarter is supposed to start sometime this month too. I have hard choices ahead. (Especially with Star Wars: Armada on the horizon.)

**NTRabbit**

Yeah it's too fast now, they need to push DZ2 back so Jake can finish DBX and the latest DBO seasons properly, not to mention wallet pain for us

**Hulksmash**

Since I'm in for the Abyssals and we haven't seen anything of the sprues yet (unless I missed something) I'm a little annoyed they want the money before the end of March.

**edlowe**

Didn't they say we'd have a long time to up our pledge for this one? I was hoping to put in a couple of payday purchases.

Plus I really want to see thoses abysal sprues

**NTRabbit**

They did say multiwave during the KS that I recall, with the first wave pretty much dedicated to the book

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Well, Wave 1 is the book and anything made up entirely of existing models. Mantic wants to get folks playing quickly, and had mentioned that Mega-Armies made up of existing stock could conceivably ship right away...

... of course that was before units like Soul Reavers were added, so who knows. I hope it is still the plan though.

And man... I just sunk $900 into the Pledge Manager. That feels surreal. Still, I am trying to advocate hard for this game, so I went in for a lot of "quality of life" extras like tons of movement trays (of all sizes), extra mega-armies to demo with, and even some of that nice pre-painted terrain to use as set-pieces.

**Bioptic**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
End of March? I just paid for the Dungeon Saga pledge manager. There are only so many tricks I can turn in a month!

Will there be a second opportunity for the pledge manager later? That's pretty much the only way I am adding any funds.

They are definitely opening the Dungeon Saga manager for a second time later on (presumably they need to get an idea of what to produce earlyish), so I'd assume this would be the case for KoW as well, but don't have confirmation.

**lord_blackfang**

It's a bit ridiculous to suddenly only have 10 days to pay with no advance notice.

**Azazelx**

It's typical Mantic Kickstarter management, unfortunately - tripping over themselves with too many new campaigns and pledge managers and all of the rest of it.

**BobtheInquisitor**

lord_blackfang wrote:
It's a bit ridiculous to suddenly only have 10 days to pay with no advance notice.

Knock-on effects for Mantic's next kickstarter campains cannot be
over-stated. They are
a young company that has become overly dependent on the
convenience of Kicstarter at the expense of any future growth through their online
store or traditional retail distribution.

**lord_blackfang**

I would, Bob, but my family hasn't owned a gun since my grandpa literally shot himself in the foot while trying to teach my dad how to use one.

Nice effort tho!

**decker_cky**

If this pledge manager is just for wave 1 (pre-existing models and the books), then I'm glad they're pushing to have it on time. They'll reopen it later when there's something to show on the new models.

This gets the rules out on time, which is what the kickstarter was all about (and is the thing they really need to do with GW potentially shooting themselves in the foot with 9th edition).

**Azazelx**

That's fine in one way, but rolling out a PM with a 10-day time-frame for people is just ridiculous. They spent way too long tooling around with the Dungeon Saga one, and now they're tripping over their own feet as usual with new campaigns and pledge managers self-cannibalising their own customer base.

**MaxT**

It's not like you didn't know it was coming - if you planned on spending $$$ in the pledge manager, you've had like 4 months to save up.

**Theophony**

Yep, probably just getting the $50 pledge from me. But with Conan wrapping soon and a couple others to finalize they might only get my $1 and I'll rough it with the free online version.