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MaxT wrote:
It's not like you didn't know it was coming - if you planned on spending $$$ in the pledge manager, you've had like 4 months to save up.

There's also the matter of credit limits. My bank only lets me spend 2/3 of my monthly salary on credit cards, regardless of how much I have saved up. This can severely limit my ability to partake of time-sensitive offers such as Kickstarters. Longer windows can help a lot as they at least give me some freedom to decide which month I'll get charged for payment.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

MaxT wrote:
It's not like you didn't know it was coming - if you planned on spending $$$ in the pledge manager, you've had like 4 months to save up.

There's also the matter of credit limits. My bank only lets me spend 2/3 of my monthly salary on credit cards, regardless of how much I have saved up. This can severely limit my ability to partake of time-sensitive offers such as Kickstarters. Longer windows can help a lot as they at least give me some freedom to decide which month I'll get charged for payment.

Random aside, but can I say how refreshing it is to hear that your banks show responsibility and ethics in how they apparently are unwilling to let an individual commit slow-suicide-by-debt? I think it would shock, but do a lot of good in America if banks, rather than revel in human weakness, instead tried to help people temper their impulses.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Random aside, but can I say how refreshing it is to hear that your banks show responsibility and ethics in how they apparently are unwilling to let an individual commit slow-suicide-by-debt? I think it would shock, but do a lot of good in America if banks, rather than revel in human weakness, instead tried to help people temper their impulses.

If every American bank followed your advice, you'd kill Kickstarter overnight, and eBay by the end of the year!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

MaxT wrote:
It's not like you didn't know it was coming - if you planned on spending $$$ in the pledge manager, you've had like 4 months to save up.

There's also the matter of credit limits. My bank only lets me spend 2/3 of my monthly salary on credit cards, regardless of how much I have saved up. This can severely limit my ability to partake of time-sensitive offers such as Kickstarters. Longer windows can help a lot as they at least give me some freedom to decide which month I'll get charged for payment.

I don't follow this... If you have money saved up, why do you need to use a credit card?

Our banks are also sensible enough to not allow direct debit over the internet.

MaxT wrote:
It's not like you didn't know it was coming - if you planned on spending $$$ in the pledge manager, you've had like 4 months to save up.

Yeah, see I don't "save up" my money for whenever a company might finally decide to release a PM at some random stage from a kickstarter that was run last year because I'm neither 16 years old, nor beholden to a company like Mantic (or CMoN, or insert company name here). I spend as I go, and maybe work a thing between two paydays at worst. If they want to pull this kind of silly gak, it just means that they get less money from me.

Azazelx, why do you continue to back Mantic projects?

No snark here, just genuinely interested. I only ever seem to notice you talking about Mantic in negative ways, throwing out/burning minis received and generally saying how gak they are. You always seem dissatisfied with both product and service.

Yet you backed KoW?

In order to avoid this Pledge Manager weirdness, I pledged for everything that I wanted up front so I won't have to add any more money after the fact.

To anyone that has the PM, is the Ultimate Tyrant pledge available as a choice if you didn't select it during the KS/for late backers?

Or maybe someone can ask in the comments for me please?

 JoshInJapan wrote:
In order to avoid this Pledge Manager weirdness, I pledged for everything that I wanted up front so I won't have to add any more money after the fact.

There is some version of reality where I did the same thing, while driving my Ferrari from my mansion to my yacht, paying off the drunken hobos I ran down on the way while hands-free chatting it up with my man The Donald about how best to use the senators we bought off.

In this reality, I pledged $1 because I had $1 to pledge. I might have more later, by my wallet-mana is all tapped right now.

 Azazelx wrote:

MaxT wrote:
It's not like you didn't know it was coming - if you planned on spending $$$ in the pledge manager, you've had like 4 months to save up.

Yeah, see I don't "save up" my money for whenever a company might finally decide to release a PM at some random stage from a kickstarter that was run last year because I'm neither 16 years old, nor beholden to a company like Mantic (or CMoN, or insert company name here). I spend as I go, and maybe work a thing between two paydays at worst. If they want to pull this kind of silly gak, it just means that they get less money from me.

Its an odd thing to say....

You dont 'save up' money and then give examples of a 16 year old (who generally dont save money) as an example of what you are not.

I dont know who you are or how old you are and I dont really care, but to suggest that 'saving money' is a bad thing is foolish, no matter what the money is for.

 Alex C wrote:
Azazelx, why do you continue to back Mantic projects?

No snark here, just genuinely interested. I only ever seem to notice you talking about Mantic in negative ways, throwing out/burning minis received and generally saying how gak they are. You always seem dissatisfied with both product and service.

Yet you backed KoW?

A fair question.
I like Mantic. Or perhaps to put it better I desperately want to like Mantic. I see them as having great potential, and a much more gamer and hobby-friendly attitude than GW, which is what spawned them in more ways than one, and would like to see them successful.

Unfortunately, they just seem to keep fething up and making foolish decisions. I see much of this not ranging from deliberate malice, or even an ingrained incompetence at this stage, but being over-rushed and always under the pump - always rushing to run three kickstarters in various stages, and mistakes be damned. In effect, I'm critical because I care. Because I'd like to see them do better, both for themselves, and by us.

More specifically, I think KoW is a great game, and have been (slowly) converting my WHFB stuff over to it for the past 18 or so months. If you'd followed my P&M or Wordpress blogs, or even my postings in the Mantic or LotR forums you'd see that much of my hobby time is geared towards KoW and has been for some time. I don't blame you for not following these avenues, of course, but it's there and at this stage well-documented over 18 months or so that I'm a pretty solid fan of the rules. I haven't played WarPath yet, but I'm hoping that it will be a solid replacement for 40k in the same way. I just don't have the time to spend on it at this stage.

With DeadZone, they fethed up my order pretty significantly, and I'm not embarassed to say that I pretty much lost my gak at that point. I had 2 weeks off from work, and was all lined up to spend most of that time learning and playing the game. Let's just say that didn't happen.

With MA, I was just pretty much over KS in general terms, and they only fethed up my order in a minor way (due to a misunderstanding) I'm just over it in general. Note you won't find a whole lot of comments about MA from me - and the exact same kind of fatigue also applies to WoK, Cthulhu Wars, and RH which have now all finally arrived and remain un-QAed at this point. I only just checked my DZW3 last weekend, and I think it's all there - probably close enough, I guess?

I backed DKQ because it's a proven good game, and I also only got what I'd call "modular" upgrades, and one extra model. I've stopped going in for everything or endless baggies of extras. I'm in on KoW because as I said up top, it's a great game - my main minis game at this stage in fact - (and I like owning the full and proper rules) - and I want to support Mantic. I didn't bitch about DKQ, and if they weren't pulling ridiculous gak like a 10-day pledge manager on this one, I wouldn't be complaining here either.

I skipped over DBX completely (ok, I went in for $1 and then skipped the PMs) since the gakky restic models that came in the first game put me off ever trying or playing the base game, and I'm not likely to ever back them for the kind of $300+ money they want these days for models that may end up in metal or PVC or anything else. Also their "get absolutely everything mine cart" pledge that turned out to be bs with additional add-ons that weren't included after all was a little off-putting. But mostly because of the way they handled S1 and my never playing it afterwards.

Josh - fair point, but my opinion of Mantic (and also CMoN) KS projects at this point is that I may as well just back with a base pledge or even $1 and pick the rest up via PM, since it leaves me with much more flexibility on when I pay, and with Mantic, I'd like to see what I'm getting (or closer to it) before paying for it much more after their model shenanigans for almost all of their KS since the first KoW one. Also, I probably had something more important to pay for that week - like ordering from Warlord, Foundry, etc. In a world where I still have to prioritise my cash. Mantic KS are pretty low on the radar since we know they always run 2-4 waves of pledge managers later on down the line where I have more flexibility when I pay.

 Azazelx wrote:
Josh - fair point, but my opinion of Mantic (and also CMoN) KS projects at this point is that I may as well just back with a base pledge or even $1 and pick the rest up via PM, since it leaves me with much more flexibility on when I pay, and with Mantic, I'd like to see what I'm getting (or closer to it) before paying for it much more after their model shenanigans for almost all of their KS since the first KoW one. Also, I probably had something more important to pay for that week - like ordering from Warlord, Foundry, etc. In a world where I still have to prioritise my cash. Mantic KS are pretty low on the radar since we know they always run 2-4 waves of pledge managers later on down the line where I have more flexibility when I pay.

That wasn't a reply specifically to you, but rather to this particular subtopic. I backed a lot of Kickstarters last year, some of them far beyond what any sane person would do (well over $1000 US for Deadzone, for example), and a lot of that funding was via pledge managers after the campaign finished. Like you, I have other things that need my money, so I'm a) limiting my hobby purchases for the year, and b) only paying for things once. My credit card bills have been a lot more manageable since making that decision.

Azazelx and me sharing an opinion perfectly...

that´s shocking.

Got my PM invite at the $1 level filled it out and went to pay with Paypal I couldn't log in even though my details are correct then I noticed the cart links to a Paypal test site and not a live site very odd I cancelled out and changed my password on the live site just to be sure I'll have another look tonight when I can do it on my laptop (on an iPhone at the moment)

EDIT others are reporting the same issue I've sent Mantic a message about it

Oddly, when I got my link to the pledge manager, the email subject line was "Your Dungeon Saga Pledge," which was a kickstarter I actually passed on!

I also just got an email for my $1 "Your Dungeon Saga Pledge" - which I also finished with a couple of weeks ago. After seeing the new posts here, I guess I'll just give them a few more days to make it work before going near it.

Duncan - don't worry mate. We'll both just have to make sure that it never, ever happens again.

Just got my link (late backer), only 1 email and says "Kings of War" rather than Dungeon Saga. I guess they fixed it now?

 Alex C wrote:
Just got my link (late backer), only 1 email and says "Kings of War" rather than Dungeon Saga. I guess they fixed it now?

Must have done it specially for you, I got my $1 e-mail at 10am and it said Dungeon Saga

Just went to add a mini onto my $50 pledge and every time I try I get a "Pledge discount does not exist" error. I've reported it (as I can't work out how to fix the error like it's asking me to).

Just to confirm, the Ultimate Tyrant has the Abyssals and Nature free, right? Then 8 other mega army choices?

To confirm they will be opening this back up again once they get closer to releasing the hard plastic abyssals dudes and niads right? Because I'm not giving them a dime till I at least get a look at what I might be ordering.

Additionally they numbers in the actual selections seem way off for the armies. No numbers next to non-plastic models and like 4, 8 or 16 next to the hard plastic selections. My guess is those are hold overs from the Dungeon Saga pledge manager?

Seems like the didn't QC this thing at all.

Sounds like they're having some small issues getting a second project to work on their system... which is an error you can't really get and work through until you put the second project on your system

My email said Dungeon Saga but it has taken me to the KoW pm. Successfully upgraded to the $50 pledge, but I've not really done anything else since I'm not in any hurry.

My 3 invites were all for Dungeon Saga as well.

Now I just need to determine if I want a mega army or 2 starters.

I'm thinking 2 starters with the Abyssals and Nature stuff ought to suffice, since any games that get played around here are going to be using my figures and armies anyways.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

I'm thinking 2 starters with the Abyssals and Nature stuff ought to suffice, since any games that get played around here are going to be using my figures and armies anyways.

This is me with every game

Reflects some of my views as well...

 Azazelx wrote:

I like Mantic. Or perhaps to put it better I desperately want to like Mantic. I see them as having great potential, and a much more gamer and hobby-friendly attitude than GW, which is what spawned them in more ways than one, and would like to see them successful….

...More specifically, I think KoW is a great game…
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... I haven't played WarPath yet, but I'm hoping that it will be a solid replacement for 40k in the same way. I just don't have the time to spend on it at this stage.

I really like what Mantic does as far as rules. Kings of War and Warpath 1.0 (will try 2.0 someday) filled some big-game niches for me nicely. the problem for me is that I'm not a fan of Restic (though I bought quite a few Deadzone minis) and in general their minis just don't win me over. So, I make a point of buying the rules even though they're free and I pick up figs that do interest me such as Rebs, a few Forge Father items for my Squats and the occasional Crazy Box just for conversion stuff. It's not much, but in the grand scheme, but it's more than most other companies get from me and it's what I'm will to give them.

The Paypal issue is resolved it links to the live Paypal site now. All done my email did say Dungeon Saga but it linked to KoW and gave the correct credit.

I'd have appreciated them noting down the material each item in the PM is (currently) intended to be made in... would be useful for later

but hey, they can keep the $1 until I see some sprue shots I think

As much as I love Kings of War I literally have like 9 armies for it. I was in at $50 pledge and looks like I'm staying there, with maybe a few add-ons like Ronaldo the Bard

I should have given them my Euros during the KS, when they were still worth something.