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They removed penitents? That's dissapointing.

 carlos13th wrote:
They removed penitents? That's dissapointing.

From the KoM list, still in the Basilean list.

Does anyone else have a problem with the KOW Pledge Manager? I have upgraded to "living legend", but when I try to check out I only get "Pledge discount does not exist!". I contacted support through the pledge manager 12 days ago and still no response. If they want people to complete their pledges before march 30 they really should try to make sure that you can!

I know Chris who is the go-to pledge-manager trouble-shooter was on vacation until today, which could explain the long delay on PM answers.

I actually never got a pledge manager. But I think I'm sticking for just the book at the moment, so it's okay.

There are still 2 more waves to give us the opportunity to buy add ons, right?

 jorny wrote:
Does anyone else have a problem with the KOW Pledge Manager? I have upgraded to "living legend", but when I try to check out I only get "Pledge discount does not exist!". I contacted support through the pledge manager 12 days ago and still no response. If they want people to complete their pledges before march 30 they really should try to make sure that you can!

i've been getting the same thing 'pledge discount does not exist', i'm now on email round 3 in trying to solve the problem, hopefully the next fix will be more successful then "try a different browser"

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I know Chris who is the go-to pledge-manager trouble-shooter was on vacation until today, which could explain the long delay on PM answers.

This sort of planning often makes me doubt how serious Mantic take planning and organisation.


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 Azazelx wrote:
No-show for the Dark Elves List (I think this is simply an anti-Raging Heroes KS tactical move).

To be fair the Twilight Kin army list will probably be available when Raging Heroes deliver their Dark Elves in 2019.

I just spoke with Ronnie who actually says Chris is hustling to hand-fix pledges which weren't reporting correctly, etc... So hopefully before the day is out there should be some progress.

For what it is worth, my own PM is borked too, so it isn't just you guys. :-p

Thanks for the info for those affected NTN. That said how hard would it be to send out a KS update telling their backers that very information? A five minute job at most.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I know Chris who is the go-to pledge-manager trouble-shooter was on vacation until today, which could explain the long delay on PM answers.

This sort of planning often makes me doubt how serious Mantic take planning and organisation.


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 Azazelx wrote:
No-show for the Dark Elves List (I think this is simply an anti-Raging Heroes KS tactical move).

To be fair the Twilight Kin army list will probably be available when Raging Heroes deliver their Dark Elves in 2019.

Of course it will. It just seems ...convenient that the list is missing just as the RH KS opens up. Stops people buying their full DE armies via this KS since we don't know what they will do to the units. Unless you do it visa PM later, but with Mantic running their own KS right now, it takes a bit of wind out of RH's sails right now.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I know Chris who is the go-to pledge-manager trouble-shooter was on vacation until today, which could explain the long delay on PM answers.

This sort of planning often makes me doubt how serious Mantic take planning and organisation.


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 Azazelx wrote:
No-show for the Dark Elves List (I think this is simply an anti-Raging Heroes KS tactical move).

To be fair the Twilight Kin army list will probably be available when Raging Heroes deliver their Dark Elves in 2019.

Of course it will. It just seems ...convenient that the list is missing just as the RH KS opens up. Stops people buying their full DE armies via this KS since we don't know what they will do to the units. Unless you do it visa PM later, but with Mantic running their own KS right now, it takes a bit of wind out of RH's sails right now.

For some reason I feel the uncertainty around 9th Ed Warhammer would have more of an effect on RH than Mantic's missing army list.

I've recently been picking minis up to play KoW but am a bit disappointed in what I've heard about some of the suggestions by the RC that have been ignored as well as the last minute stat changes.

It's kind of put me at edge but I have the current rules so will start with those. I really want to play Dark Elves among others so its all good until Summer.

I used to play WFB (back in 3rd Ed) but the sillyness of some of the new lets break away from Fantasy minis by GW has pointed me back into fantasy via KoW.

Turns out I have mine. It was just listed under Dungeon Saga. No worries, anyone who was panicked for me!!

Doing 2k new rules/army lists tonight, my dwarves versus undead. Quite excited, the new rules on the third reading are almost memorized and I'm really happy with the few changes that have been made.

 GiraffeX wrote:
I've recently been picking minis up to play KoW but am a bit disappointed in what I've heard about some of the suggestions by the RC that have been ignored as well as the last minute stat changes.
It's kind of put me at edge but I have the current rules so will start with those. I really want to play Dark Elves among others so its all good until Summer.
I used to play WFB (back in 3rd Ed) but the sillyness of some of the new lets break away from Fantasy minis by GW has pointed me back into fantasy via KoW.

The current rules and army lists are still good, despite being imperfect. Beyond that, using the new core rules with the previous army lists shouldn't be unbalancing.

Played a 2000 point game between my Dwarves and my buddy's Undead last night using the new rules and army lists.

No hyperbole; very, very fun - definitely one of the most fun and satisfying Kings of War games I've played.

Observations:
- The one pivot during charge affected nothing in the game.
- Thunderous Charge is much better than KoW1's continuous Crushing Strength; Phalanx as a rule is also better because of that.
- The new spells are really, really cool, giving you a few more tactical options. Had a Counter-Charge from Revenant Knights with the +1CS buff against my Berserkers that was a really great example of the new rules in effect.
- I had two cannons with a Warsmith. The new Elite rule made that setup far more reasonable. I missed on a lot of 2's, but I also rolled two 1's, so the Elite still made it worth it for that re-roll. Hitting with it was great as it didn't feel overpowered, with the new Blast change. Additionally, the Balefire Catapult he fielded hit twice but did not seem overpowered, even with it's Vicious rule.
- The new Line of Sight rules are perfect. We had an instance where in the old rules it would have been a mini-argument, but was resolved within seconds because of the new LOS/Height clarification.
- shooting is worth it now! I took three troops of Ironwatch Rifles and felt they were actually worth their points. One even got a point blank fusillade against a Skeleton regiment, scoring like 6 damage, which was excellent.
- I also realized that Nimble ignores the modifier for moving and shooting. Light/archer cavalry are now suddenly worth taking. I kinda want to field a mounted scout army.
- the slight changes to Regiments (an extra nerve across the board, it seems, and increase in # of attacks) made them more threatening than in KoW1
- the new army composition rules are fantastic. I couldn't figure out how to make a spam list. Making regiments and hordes the basic building block was a brilliant idea.

The game was very close - both of us veteran KoW1 players - neck and neck until turn 5, when my Warsmith unleashed his double-barrel into the Vampire's head and killed him and by turn 6 when I was able to break the zombie horde and skeleton horde, and my berserker lord managed to not die by a margin of 1 on a nerve check after being plastered with damage. My dwarves were able to pull a victory, but barely, and only because of the last turn - otherwise it would have been a draw or a slight undead victory.

So, my verdict - with one game, mind you, so take that caveat - is that KoW2 is not just what I had thought it was before - a slightly improved KoW1. It is wholly improved, not only fixing the few problems I had with it before, but has also been made better in ways I didn't think it needed (and argued against changing)
I am incredibly happy. The general manager of one of the three FLGS, who has played KoW1 a few times, was impressed with hearing my observations and he's planning on carrying the KoW2 hardback after they finish dumping WHFB (as a lot of local WHFB are super pissed about 9th)

Also; here's some pics!

You'll see at one point the Vampire charging my cannon and causing 16 points of damage, but rolled double 1's on the nerve check

Thanks for the mini-report and thoughts on the rules, you have convinced me KoW2 is worth trying (as a new player with very few opponents, I was just considering sticking with KoW1). I like the sound of improved shooting and better stats for Regiments.

 Paradigm wrote:
Thanks for the mini-report and thoughts on the rules, you have convinced me KoW2 is worth trying (as a new player with very few opponents, I was just considering sticking with KoW1). I like the sound of improved shooting and better stats for Regiments.

It's definitely worth trying. One of the Hail Caesar players in our gaming group swung by to watch the game and was impressed, he's wanted to add some fantasy elements to his Hail Caesar armies and was quite excited. So I expect there will be any number of bronze age armies joining our battles

Okay that made me feel better. I have a buttload of longbowmen and I'd be sad if shooting is still terrible.

 heartserenade wrote:
Okay that made me feel better. I have a buttload of longbowmen and I'd be sad if shooting is still terrible.

I'm actually a little miffed because my completed armies had very few ranged units, and now I want more ranged units.


let me point out that a troop of Elf Scouts, with a Ra of 4+ and Nimble, would be hitting on 3's if they move into within 6" of their target. This is versus their 5+ Me. So the revised system definitely makes ranged combat effective.

For the first time, it looks like a regiment of Seaguard are a viable unit. 15 Attacks with Me and Ra of 4+, yessir! Combined with the revised Phalanx rule, that makes them INCREDIBLY effective on the KoW2 battlefield.

That all sounds very positive judgedoug, thanks for the mini report.

I've heard there is very positive movement in regards to the KoW Beta and the Rules Council. Between that and the Jetbikes Mantic's earned a bit of goodwill today.

 heartserenade wrote:
Okay that made me feel better. I have a buttload of longbowmen and I'd be sad if shooting is still terrible.

They removed the penalty for long range, and added a bonus for short range.

Nimble units can now move and shoot without penalty.

The changes are pretty positive for shooty units.

The Auld Grump

Problem is I don't have nimble units!

Time to add cavalry archers, I guess? But that's not something that fits my army's theme.

Thanks for the awesome report! Come Monday we will probably play our first 2nd Edition game. I expect Goblin Fleabag Riders to earn their keep now with the changes in shooting and nimble!

I'm really looking forward to trying out my Orcs next. They are my favorite KoW1 army. Possibly Sunday!

 judgedoug wrote:
I'm really looking forward to trying out my Orcs next. They are my favorite KoW1 army. Possibly Sunday!

Right there with you. My brother in law is still mourning his super zombie horde lose though. I'm glas to see it die.

 Theophony wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
I'm really looking forward to trying out my Orcs next. They are my favorite KoW1 army. Possibly Sunday!

Right there with you. My brother in law is still mourning his super zombie horde lose though. I'm glas to see it die.

We can still make multiple hordes of zombies, even if not super hordes