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Looks like 60 hordes will be making a comeback though.

Yeah, from reading the beta board I think Zombies, Rabble, and Militia will have a 60 dude option.

My Undead player will like that. He was a little sad to see his Ultimate Tarpit disappear

New update, found this part especially interesting

- We will be putting out tournament legal army lists for lots of non-Mantic armies. These will not be canon in KoW IP but they’ll be great to battle with and against. I think a book detailing say 10 new armies would make an excellent addition – with the armies being either historical or fantasy themed (this is where the Twilight Kin will live until we get them their own Mantic sculpts and a full army – at which point we move them into the main canon). This will allow people with existing armies a chance to play KoW – which is good for us all when we are trying to find an opponent.

If they add a lizardmen Army I know there will be more than a few Warhammer Fantasy players looking to do somehting with those models once.

Yeah, I'm not sure making lists like that will help with sales, but it will get people using the rules.

I'm pulling for crossover lists for warpath as well.

Lots of big news in the update, especially rules changes, undoing unit deletions, sounds good so far

 adamsouza wrote:
If they add a lizardmen Army I know there will be more than a few Warhammer Fantasy players looking to do somehting with those models once.

Seems likely considering that it was one of the earlier fanlists that were made. I´m also expecting a ratmen, evil humans and a beastmen army.

 Polonius wrote:
Yeah, I'm not sure making lists like that will help with sales, but it will get people using the rules.

GateWay Drug Theory -
They use the free rules and decide they like the rules.
They play more and decide to buy their own rule book.
They read the rulebook, like the fiction and pretty pictures, then buy a Mantic Army.

It has been easy to make changes to the beta, since most of the stuff the public wants is stuff the RC wanted too and already developed working suggestions for months ago.

I hope the same working process that has happened with KoW also happens with the new Deadzone rules, since it is the system in most dire need of a rewrite (I am on both the Deadzone and KoW committees).

The new army lists will basically be a matter of officializing some of the better "not-GW" lists that currently exist. If GW scraps armies or units with 9th edition, every model in every scrapped army will have a home in games of Kings of War.

Mantic knows that it has a huge chance to get WHFB players to convert, and will make it as easy as possible.

Squig, you make it sound like Mantic is some kind of evil genius or something...

Is there already a "Not-GW" Lizardmen Army list, beyond "just use the Orks list" ?

Forces of Nature use some lizards and can proxy the whole warhammer lizardman army (more vor less)

How are the carnosaurs proxied? I've had a bad habit of picking up big lizardmen units, so if I get an excuse to run multiple carnosaurs as some sort of monstrous cavalry, I'll be all over it.

And hey, why not, right? Blaine already got one!

The 'not GW' lists aren't out yet for 2nd edition.

I'm pretty sure the elves have dino/dragon calvary. The allies system for KoW is pretty forgiving. Worst case scenario is you might have to field some skinks with elven archer stats to unlock the dino riders.

 adamsouza wrote:
I'm pretty sure the elves have dino/dragon calvary. The allies system for KoW is pretty forgiving. Worst case scenario is you might have to field some skinks with elven archer stats to unlock the dino riders.

Hadn't even thought of that! Good idea. Because obviously my lizards are way more 'leet than every other race.

While not fantasy related, did anyone else notice how they mentioned after they finish the deadzone KS that they were done with kickstarter for a long time....I took that as no warpath kickstarter, straight to retail or pushed back to next year.

 Theophony wrote:
While not fantasy related, did anyone else notice how they mentioned after they finish the deadzone KS that they were done with kickstarter for a long time....I took that as no warpath kickstarter, straight to retail or pushed back to next year.

I imagine Warpath will be pushed back a year, to let them get KoW 2nd released with adequate model support.

 adamsouza wrote:
Is there already a "Not-GW" Lizardmen Army list, beyond "just use the Orks list" ?

There's a v1 army list here which was written by Matt Gilbert who is the team leader of the rules committee. Expect the official list to be based on this one, brought up to v2 standards as per the rest of v1 lists.

 Theophony wrote:
While not fantasy related, did anyone else notice how they mentioned after they finish the deadzone KS that they were done with kickstarter for a long time....I took that as no warpath kickstarter, straight to retail or pushed back to next year.

It was said last year that the idea was to include plastic kits for the basic troops for each faction in the DZ2 Kickstarter.
The Warpath KS would then focus on the rulebook and vehicles, with it's core models already provided by the DZ line.

That and they are trying to keep the number of Kickstarters they run a year to a managable number for themselves, and they felt that Warpath in 2015 was one too many.

 Daedleh wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Is there already a "Not-GW" Lizardmen Army list, beyond "just use the Orks list" ?

There's a v1 army list here which was written by Matt Gilbert who is the team leader of the rules committee. Expect the official list to be based on this one, brought up to v2 standards as per the rest of v1 lists.

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. I have a Warhammer Fantasy Playing Friend I want to convert to a KoW player and lizards are his thing.

If there are no more kickstarters after this, when will I get my fantasy inspired Deadzone?

Thanks for giving a link to that lizard list. I had been wanting to track that down! Now to go plan out an army list!

Would be curious how a Bastiladon would work if it's carrying an Ark of Sotek. I'd guess the solar engine would be pretty easy to compare to most war machines, but with the snakes, makes me wonder if it would have a set amount of units it could place with it, and have those swarms use a regeneration rule for as long as the ark is in play?

 Polonius wrote:
Yeah, I'm not sure making lists like that will help with sales, but it will get people using the rules.

I'm pulling for crossover lists for warpath as well.

More people using the rules means more players included and into the playerbase overall - this increases the chances that people will buy Mantic models - either as a second (third, etc) army or because of critical mass when KoW becomes a game that more people are playing.


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 scarletsquig wrote:

The new army lists will basically be a matter of officializing some of the better "not-GW" lists that currently exist. If GW scraps armies or units with 9th edition, every model in every scrapped army will have a home in games of Kings of War.
Mantic knows that it has a huge chance to get WHFB players to convert, and will make it as easy as possible.

That's one reason I'm so head-scratchy at the butchery done to the 2e KoM list. I have a friend who wanted to build Vikings, and planned to use the Pentinents for Thrall Levy - Nevermind Empire. Making everything into a Cannon or Catapult is also silly - from a Scorpion (Arbalest) to an Organ Gun to a Mortar - especially when the rules for all of them remain in the game...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
How are the carnosaurs proxied?

Basalisks from the nature army would be an easy choice

 Azazelx wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
Yeah, I'm not sure making lists like that will help with sales, but it will get people using the rules.

I'm pulling for crossover lists for warpath as well.

More people using the rules means more players included and into the playerbase overall - this increases the chances that people will buy Mantic models - either as a second (third, etc) army or because of critical mass when KoW becomes a game that more people are playing.


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 scarletsquig wrote:

The new army lists will basically be a matter of officializing some of the better "not-GW" lists that currently exist. If GW scraps armies or units with 9th edition, every model in every scrapped army will have a home in games of Kings of War.
Mantic knows that it has a huge chance to get WHFB players to convert, and will make it as easy as possible.

That's one reason I'm so head-scratchy at the butchery done to the 2e KoM list. I have a friend who wanted to build Vikings, and planned to use the Pentinents for Thrall Levy - Nevermind Empire. Making everything into a Cannon or Catapult is also silly - from a Scorpion (Arbalest) to an Organ Gun to a Mortar - especially when the rules for all of them remain in the game...

They've stated they tried removing things they thought wouldn't upset people, and after having upset people, they've put them back in. I think you'll see units returning to the fold without issue.

@Azazelx: there are two future man-based (neither exclusively human) lists on the drawing board, one of which should scratch a Viking itch. No idea how far in the future that is.

I'm sorry I have to ask this, but will there be a second pledge manager? I can't pay for KoW and DZ2 at the same time. I'm also only really interested in the new Abyssals and Nature plastics, are they planning to give us antoher chance to get them after seeing some proper previews?

 scarletsquig wrote:


The new army lists will basically be a matter of officializing some of the better "not-GW" lists that currently exist. If GW scraps armies or units with 9th edition, every model in every scrapped army will have a home in games of Kings of War.

Mantic knows that it has a huge chance to get WHFB players to convert, and will make it as easy as possible.

I don't think it's a case of 'if'. Remember that a lot of guys that work in this industry around Nottingham will know each other and hear from the grapevine what is coming, probably months if not years in advance. That Mantic are doing this I think it indicative that big changes are afoot for WHFB 9th edition, and they want to be in prime position to pick up a load of disgruntled players who suddenly find that their investments of time and money don't fit in with GW's universe.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

They've stated they tried removing things they thought wouldn't upset people, and after having upset people, they've put them back in. I think you'll see units returning to the fold without issue.

Yes, I'm glad to see the Wights unremoved. I don't mind them being based on 40mm and turned into Large Infantry, etc. I'm hoping they return the pentinents and priests as well, but I'm not at all optimistic about the war machines as Ronnie specifically mentioned them in their new, flavourless condensed form in his update.

Baragash - are these the "counts-as WHFB human-ish army lists", or new Mantica ones? I'd like to see Norse with a mix of Vikings and Norse Dwarves, like the old days.

I certainly hope that these guys are properly on target to properly pick up the WHFB armies that don't currently have proxy lists. I've got a lot of stuff waiting in the wings...

I'm pretty excited about proxy lists, too. I actually last played WHFB in 6th, because it really got too convoluted, but I have loads of armies still in the cellar and the KoW core rules look lovely.