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I like them all so far. They are a bit cartoony, but it's a demonic cartoony, if that makes sense.

I'm not sure the studio paint job did them any favors though, particularly the succubi.

I will likely be adding a few boxes when the next pledge manager comes out.

Do people know for a fact that the PM will be accessible again?

It wasn't for DBX or DS, even though they said it would be for DBX.

Glad I ordered some straight away, I wouldn't count on being able to have another chance in the PM.

Some images Dungeon Saga and KOW from the Open Day, all credit to @FistyGlueMan on Twitter:



First Ds production minis:



Ogre braves:





Ronnie The Bard:



Naiads:

Reasonably cool

The shark has been well and truly jumped now!

Ronnie The Bard:

Production sample of the DS dragon too:



Not too keen on it myself, but am liking the bases on the DS miniatures.

The dragon is starting to grow on me...

The painted dragon has certainly grown on me, I wasn't sold on the render but that is pretty cool.

Still a bit too far on the tubby side though. I think he needs to lay off the virgins.

Sizest.

Amazing stuff!

Anyone know when we'll get any existing KoW stuff ordered through the PM sent to us?

I was under the assumption that we'd get existing stuff pretty much straight away, but nothing yet...

Pretty happy with this stuff

 Alex C wrote:
Amazing stuff!

Anyone know when we'll get any existing KoW stuff ordered through the PM sent to us?

I was under the assumption that we'd get existing stuff pretty much straight away, but nothing yet...

DBX wave 3 is shipping in June, and DS is still scheduled for August, so I was expecting KoW wave 1 during July

Plenty more pictures of Dungeon Saga and KOW Abyssals are available here:

https://imgur.com/a/bkc40#66

That dragon is amazing. I don't get the hate.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
That dragon is amazing. I don't get the hate.

They hide it between the dragon's wings, but the dragon's spine is folded in half. This is doubly stupid when it has those massive scales along its back.

The wings are growing out of the dragon's armpits.

The mouth is too narrow and poorly sculpted.

 Alpharius wrote:
The shark has been well and truly jumped now!

Ronnie The Bard:

Come on, don't you remember the last few silly hours of that KS?

They had nothing left to offer up as stretch goals and started to go a bit daft.

That completely ludicrous mini reminds of the end of the freight train that was the DS Kickstarter!

I want that bard... <.<

Thanks for the link. The production models for DS are looking pretty nice!

I guess the card we're seeing for the bases is not the finished product though, right?

I hope those Ogre Braves can look that nice in whatever they end up casting them in.

Think some of these look extremely cool !

Ronnie the Bard is a pretty good resemblance

Now annoyed that I didn't add to the KoW pledge manager when I had the opportunity..

Looking forwards to getting my hands on these and doing a few conversions

Will also be going for a purple rather than red on my abyssals.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I hope those Ogre Braves can look that nice in whatever they end up casting them in.

Should be metal, according to the KS, so they will look that nice

So the KoW V2 beta testing is over and lists/rules are finalised as far as the RC is concerned. We're currently waiting for Alessio/Mantic to give final approvals for our amendments and either release an updated PDF or give us permission to release an updated PDF so that people can have the full set before the rulebook is released to backers.

The army lists spreadsheet is up to date:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhZLDFOHUXC2MCA6NwYQWr0HF2mSyvEWIlNH4oCtBeQ/edit#gid=22454946

The core rules PDF is currently out of date:
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=21AFEBFC9F9B9322!13419&ithint=file%2Cpdf&app=WordPdf&authkey=!AA65yYAaNDyt4KE

The biggest gameplay changes are that there are no short/long range modifiers for ranged attacks and units that suffer 1 or more points of damage in melee are disordered, rather than any units that were in melee. Ignore the list of artefacts and use the list in the army lists spreadsheet instead. There are numerous typos/wording corrections all over the place so don't worry about them.

It is excellent that the rules are ready for completion, and that you evidently once again working with the rules committee.

Does anyone remember when things are suppossed to start shipping ?

3 Waves, consisting of existing armies, books, and Armies of the Abyss/Elementals, right ?

 adamsouza wrote:


Does anyone remember when things are suppossed to start shipping ?

3 Waves, consisting of existing armies, books, and Armies of the Abyss/Elementals, right ?

That was my impression. They've done feth all with shipping existing product though.

Just checked the Kickstarter page. The expected shipping date is "July 2015".

I'm assuming they are not going to ship anything before that. If they can get the books, with the now finalized rules, printed before then, they can save a lot on shipping charges by just including the books with all of the existing army pledges, instead of shipping them seperately.

Thanks Daedleh. I've been grabbing the updates as you released them and getting games in. I'm pretty sure with this most recent update you guys have helped craft the most perfect mass battles ruleset ever written. I can't imagine all the hard work you and the rules committee went through, but I've never been more impressed with a ruleset. I cannot wait for the final pdf and hardcover. KoW went from one of the best rulesets to a contender for the best .

Cheers man

adamsouza, Matt Gilbert who's the head of the RC restored my confidence in the game and its development process He's been a fantastic team leader and provided the exact leadership I'd been expecting/hoping for from the start. The massive turnaround from the first beta to its current form is down to his leadership. The rest of the RC helped of course, as did the community in its excellent testing, reporting and feedback, but he has done an outstanding job at managing the beta testing period.

In terms of shipping waves, last I heard the initial plan was to ship out all existing minis in a first wave but for whatever reason that's not happened (I've not heard anything at all, I'm not just being coy here), so with the first batch of new releases being so close I'd be very surprised if they did a wave of shipping between now and July, when the rulebook gets sent out.

 judgedoug wrote:
Thanks Daedleh. I've been grabbing the updates as you released them and getting games in. I'm pretty sure with this most recent update you guys have helped craft the most perfect mass battles ruleset ever written. I can't imagine all the hard work you and the rules committee went through, but I've never been more impressed with a ruleset. I cannot wait for the final pdf and hardcover. KoW went from one of the best rulesets to a contender for the best .

Very much in agreement.

I came to the party late, but have been playing KoW and KoW2 constantly as of late. The more I play the more I realize it is one of the leanest, but most balanced and strategic miniatures systems I have ever played with. It really might be my Holy Grail game at this point.