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Wow, those are certainly more impressive than I was expecting!

Yeah, that's how they should look! GW's Treekin looked ridiculous. These ones are much better. Would likely even match in nicely with the Darklands tree dudes.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
GW's Treekin looked ridiculous.

They are certainly in that special selection of models that makes you think "WTF were they thinking when they approved those?"

Gotta say, those are some nice woody-elf models... and I don't normally like woody-elves.

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from facebook,

looks like the box for Dungeon Saga for approval (no word on whether all the contents are in them or if it's just the boxes)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


from facebook,

looks like the box for Dungeon Saga for approval (no word on whether all the contents are in them or if it's just the boxes)

Fixed the link for you. Missed a "]" bracket behind the first img tag.

I'm excited to get my copy . But I'm also afraid that they will have done typical Mantic diligence and everything will sit perfectly in the box.

 Theophony wrote:

I'm excited to get my copy . But I'm also afraid that they will have done typical Mantic diligence and everything will sit perfectly in the box.

Spoiler:

until it is stood up on end and set on the shelf like a book Mantic....Almost

I think an even worse result would be that they've been designed to fit custom trays from Battlefoam

I kinda wondered about that when Ronnie said it closes with a magnet.

Wouldn't the weight of the contents push it open when you stand it upright?

Hopefully it's using a couple of larger, rare earth magnets to do the job.

Also I'm realistically still expecting the book box to have a vacuum form tray in it like any other board game box

 NTRabbit wrote:
Hopefully it's using a couple of larger, rare earth magnets to do the job.

Also I'm realistically still expecting the book box to have a vacuum form tray in it like any other board game box

I'm expecting ziploc bags of stuff haphazardly shoved inside, then I won't be disappointed

 Alex C wrote:
I kinda wondered about that when Ronnie said it closes with a magnet.

Wouldn't the weight of the contents push it open when you stand it upright?

Wasn't it supposed to come with a slipcase?

 jorny wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
I kinda wondered about that when Ronnie said it closes with a magnet.

Wouldn't the weight of the contents push it open when you stand it upright?

Wasn't it supposed to come with a slipcase?

Ah yes, that'll help.

It's Mantic. It could be almost anything. Credit to them though, as the books themselves look good.

 Azazelx wrote:
It's Mantic. It could be almost anything. Credit to them though, as the books themselves look good.

And don't we as backers get a second one "free"?

 Theophony wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
It's Mantic. It could be almost anything. Credit to them though, as the books themselves look good.

And don't we as backers get a second one "free"?

I believe you do if you bought all of the expansions. Dont think I got the O&G one so I wont be getting the second one

Yup, if you got the base pledge you get 1 book box. If you then added 3 expansions, you get a 2nd one.

As the base pledge plus 3 expansions was $175, and you got the hardback compendium free at $200 I added a few extras to make it an even $200.

Bummer , I just did the base pledge. Oh well, more shelf space for me .

Check out www.goldendist.com
(one of the three main distributors in the USA, along with Alliance and ACD)

They've sent out tons of Kings of War 2 info to retailers already, and their main left panel features release information for a big Kings of War 2 push this summer. There's a PDF download with a bunch of info that Golden put together for retailers.


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The Game
 Massive battle combat system, troops are moved around the table-top
battlefield and the outcome of fights is decided using 6 sided dice.
 Simply written, easy to learn rule set with tactical depth and challenge
 Written by Veteran games designer Alessio Cavatore
 The rules are written to be suitable for tournament play or casual play
 Cross compatible with Mantic’s Dungeon Saga
 Compatible with other fantasy miniature ranges...
 Units remain in the game until totally destroyed leading to an aesthetically
pleasing table-top and wider modelling options.


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The Future
During the second half of 2015 the Kings of War range is being refreshed with a
range of new releases, some of the items include:
JULY
MGKWU81-1 Undead Starter Force (90 miniatures) $84.99
MGKWE81-1 Elven Starter Force (75 miniatures) $84.99
MGKWU101 Undead Soul Reaver Cavalry (5 Miniatures) $24.99
MGKWE101 Forest Shamblers (3 Miniatures) $24.99
AUGUST
MGKW01 Kings of War 2nd Edition Hardback Rules (144 pg. book) $39.99
MGKW02 Kings of War 2nd Edition Deluxe Rules (114 pg. book, 96 pg. Gamers Book, Counter Set and
Wound Trackers) $64.99
MGKW03 Kings of War Counter Set $17.99
MGKW04 Kings of War Damage Trackers $17.99
MGKWD83-1 Dwarven Starter Force (75 Miniatures) $84.99
MGKWK83-1 Abyssal Dwarf Starter Force (50 Miniatures) $84.99


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Retail Support
 Retailer Organised Play Kit - that will help you run in
store activities and promote and keep customers
returning to your store
 Point of Sale Materials - including Banners, Posters,
Flyers and Campaign Posters
 Training Day Demonstration Kits - supply everything you
need to run demo games to help recruit new customers
 Pathfinder Event Support – Mantic’s network of
volunteers can be booked to support your in store
demonstrations and events
 Recommended Ranges which are easily expandable to
ensure you make the most of Mantic’s ranges in your
store
 Branded website - which supports the game and
products
 Articles / Features and Advertisement - through
Manticgames.com and social media
 Free downloads from Manticgames.com including rules

One thing that is missing from that list... Orc archers/sniffs

Dungeon Saga up for preorder on Wayland:

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/dungeon-saga/24072-dungeon-saga-dwarf-king-s-quest

Relevant information:
£44.99 (down from £50)
PRE-ORDER BEFORE THE 31ST JULY TO GET THE EXCLUSIVE LEGENDARY MORTIBRIS MINIATURE.

Swords, sorcerers, monsters and a dangerous adventure beyond compare. Assume the roles of mighty heroes and as they take on evil monsters in tight, twisting dungeon passages to thwart the vile Necromancer in his never ending quest to conquer the World!

Based on the classic fantasy characters and monsters we have all grown up with from the fantasy universe. Dungeon Saga is a classic dungeon crawler of swords and sorcery, where mighty heroes with various skills must work together to battle the evil monsters in a tight and twisting fantasy dungeon for treasure and glory. Able to play as either the heroic questers or as the master behind the forces of the Necromancer, this is a high quality set of pre-coloured plastic miniatures and scenery that can also be re-painted to enhance their look. This is a great game where your characters can progress and upgrade through gaining experience and treasures as through your journey and 3D interactive gaming environments allow you to really immerse yourself in the adventure. All the models provided are one piece miniatures meaning you can play straight out of the box with the stage by stage introduction to the rules and with the durable double sided gaming tiles you are in for hours of fun with endless dungeon combinations.

The game comes in ancient looking book presentation that provides a practical storage solution as well a unique and awesome looking set to sit on your shelf.

Designed by Jake Thornton, the man behind other great table top games such as Dreadball, Mars Attacks, Deadzone and many more.

This extensive set includes:

26 Hard Pre-coloured Plastic One Piece Miniatures
4 Heroes
4 Villains
18 Undead Minions
22 3D Scenery Components
10 Doors
50 Clear Plastic Clips
Rulebook
Getting Started Guide
Scenario Book
Cards
Counters
12 dice
8 Character Stat Card Sheets
8 Double Sided Floor Tiles
Please note models come pre-coloured, but are unpainted.

I hope only 8 floor tiles is a typo!

If it's not, 10 doors and 50 clips seems like overkill.

Seems to be the product image shows more

Wayland showed the tiles in their email (though the image is not on the site, so I've hosted it) (not sure if this image shows both sides of some of the double sided stuff or not)

well there's only one of the big squares, one of the 2x5 with one corridor each along the long edges and one of the Y-shaped corridors so that can't be it.

The tile pic looks like a placeholder made from DKH tiles.

£50 is a good price for such a large amount of stuff, the usual price is about £60-70 for games with similar contents (Descent, Mice & Mystics etc.)

Having played it at the UK Games Expo, truth be told and not to be a negative nelly, but I'm kinda worried about the game.

It uses the same dice mechanic compared to DKH. - I had massive issues with that in Green Menace, when you had an orc and elf battering each other for 45 minutes doing absolutely 0 damage.

The Necromancer player was experienced at it, so sure, that's a massive advantage. But the fact that you only need to kill 1 model to win as the Necromancer compounded together is really kinda pants.

Admittedly, we've not seen much of the Adventurers Guide details yet, but the game feels really incredibly shallow. Oh, the Necromancer won that game, lets play it all over again. :eyeroll:


I'm nearing the end of my Star Wars: Imperial Assault campaign now and it's just getting me more and more wary of Dungeon Saga. - In Imperial Assault, not only do each Rebel character have their own custom experience leveling list with unique special abilities, they all have a personal 'sidequest' that they can do some point during the campaign. There's not 1, but 3 tiers of item shops, with 12 different items you can potentially buy each tier.

The Imperial player seems more involved in the out of mission aspects of the game too, he actually has his choice of one of 3 Experience decks, so he can level up alongside the Rebels. He even has a special equivalent of the item shop too, that has HUGE amount of replayable variation.

Throw in a properly branching campaign too, with random side missions, that you won't be able to play through all of in the same campaign, Dungeon Saga just feels like it has no real depth at all.


But then, maybe the Adventurers Guide is going to be THE draw to the game and there's proper real effort gone in to it. If the Guide is going to be a proper resource for the games, then yeah, I'll feel good about it.

But then, I remember the whole what? 2.5 pages of effort than went in to doing 'multitable games' of Deadzone and feel somewhat cynical.

Maybe I'm just grumpy today...

More than anything I am hoping for a quick and fun, old school feeling (by which I mean difficult but gratifying) dungeon crawler.

I think to me, the original game felt a lot more like a sort of Dwarf Hulk rather than a true crawler, so I hope that is addressed.

I want something I can bust out in a 40 minute lunch break and get through, but that feels right. I hope they can manage it. I don't mind if it's simple.

I will be happy (hopefully!) with the minis, tiles, dungeon furniture and so on even if the game isn't that great anyhow though, since I love that stuff.

I think the Adventure Book might be what elevates this game. Just as KoW gives more value to models I own from other games since I can use them there, this game giving options for damn near everything should really flesh it out.

At the very least it'll come with a boat-load of nice terrain bits, and models to be used in Frostgrave. ;-)

To be honest I'm proprobably going to get it for the minis/tiles rather than rules. I've become somewhat enamoured with the way the D&D boardgames play, so most fantasy stuff I have is getting adapted to that. The minis do look nice, though, and the undead focus is nice as that's an area my collection is lacking in.

 Compel wrote:

Spoiler:

But then, I remember the whole what? 2.5 pages of effort than went in to doing 'multitable games' of Deadzone and feel somewhat cynical.

Maybe I'm just grumpy today...