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The unit has always had a high number of attacks. It's a swarm of sprites and other fey creatures that swamp the enemy and bite them to death

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I think I was just surprised by the 20 attacks of the troop, compared to other units. I guess it's the balance of the cost and the loss of Elite?

Or think of dual-weilding Elven Wardancers.

 Azazelx wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I think I was just surprised by the 20 attacks of the troop, compared to other units. I guess it's the balance of the cost and the loss of Elite?

Or think of dual-weilding Elven Wardancers.

Like the blade-dancers in the Twilight Kin.

Yup, but those Elves make me think of Witches.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I think I was just surprised by the 20 attacks of the troop, compared to other units. I guess it's the balance of the cost and the loss of Elite?

Most sword and board troops have ten attacks. Most dual-weapon troops have twenty (see Orc Morax)

Dungeon Saga Vampire,Funny Bones and Ravenna



KoW counters - now on preorder http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/new/kings-of-war.html

Counter set £9.99 $17.99



Wound Markers £9.99 $17.99

That Vampire is fantastic. Not over the top, but well sculpted and looks very much like an inspiring general.

*sigh* if we had seen the sculpts, I probably would have picked them up.

Wait. Maybe I did? Should probably go back and check.

I like how those new KoW wound counters can be done either way. Were we told how many we get?

I know there were 4 counters if you purchased them separately. Will it be the same for pledges that include them?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
That Vampire is fantastic. Not over the top, but well sculpted and looks very much like an inspiring general.

Will he be in board game plastic or resin? Any idea on retail price?

The KS versions are resin collectors editions and were $8 each. Ravenna is KS exclusive The Vampire and Funny Bones don't seem to be. IF they get a retail release they will probably be in metal like the Legendary Heroes. $8 KS minis tend to retail for $9.99

Well, I guess I like my Bones Vampires good enough then. Mantic's take is better, but not $10 metal mini better.

Thanks for filling me in on the inside scoop.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
*sigh* if we had seen the sculpts, I probably would have picked them up.

Wait. Maybe I did? Should probably go back and check.

I like how those new KoW wound counters can be done either way. Were we told how many we get?

I know there were 4 counters if you purchased them separately. Will it be the same for pledges that include them?

Yup, if I had seen those sculpts I would have bought them.

Miles better than the art, which was gak.

Counters and wound markers are great.

With the wound markers, you can probably get 8 out of the set (4 with dice, 4 with pegs) simply by mounting the pegs on to a single 20mm base and using the dice ones as normal.

 Alex C wrote:


Yup, if I had seen those sculpts I would have bought them.

Miles better than the art, which was gak.

In a stunning reversal designed to keep us all on our toes.

The witch-y sculpt looks good. Vampire is solid but not very modern looking.

The death jester looks good, glad I went for one. Hope the vampire gets a retail release, he's a great model. If I had seen the sculpt before the pledge manager I would have gone for one two.

Luckily Gencon is the perfect place to get piles of cheap tiny D10's or 12's for use as wound markers, for me.

I heartily recommend not using dice for wound markers.

The best solution for me, over a hundred plus games of KoW, is honestly Mantic's "splat" nerve markers. Big ones "10", medium ones "5" and a bevy of little "1".

Easy to read at a glance and I've never needed more than the two sets I bought.

These guys: http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/kings-of-war/product/mantic-essentials-wound-markers-16.html

I just can't do it. If I'm going to use markers, there is no way unmarked markers are going to be more convenient than numbered ones.

I get that some people will prefer them from an aesthetic point of view, but adding up 1's, 5's, and 10's just isn't faster, or more convenient, than reading the top number off of a D20.

The problem with D20's is that they roll.
To each his own, I guess - I just see too many FLGS tables getting bumped into to like the idea of dice for wound markers.

You could always get a red acrylic token and write a number on it with a dry erase marker.

Or maybe some cubes with alternate faces, that you could, like, mod or something. Like a ModCube.

Believe me, Wehr, with my getting into playing this soon, there will definitely be a ModCube option . Just need some games under my belt to see what would make sense!

I'm considering the possibility of different colored tokens and/or cubes to make it fast to track wounds at a glance.

Some of the ideas I'm considering:
- Different color tokens on the same cube (yellow, purple, red) making it quick to know which face is a "10" (the 10 could be on the red face, for example)
- Numbering other than 1 - 6: you could have a cube that increments by 5, or one that is numbered 7-12, for example
- Different color cubes, again to make grabbing the one you want at a glance easiest

It would also be helpful to know what the highest useful number is likely to be, and if going in increments of 1 is needed. Here's a few example pics to illustrate what I'm talking about / the possibilities:


I've been able to incorporate a ton of suggestions into the sets we've already made, so if there is a configuration that would work well for tracking wounds for KoW, I am all ears!

Mantic have been very supportive of the idea of our making a set compatible with Deadzone (they told us to post it on their forums when it's ready!), so I think they would welcome another option for wound tracking in KoW, too

Assuming that a low number of wounds/nerve damage or whatever was 1-6, a troublesome amount was 7-12 and a crazy amount was 12+, you could do cubes with 3 different colors. Green has faces 1-6, Yellow 7-12 and Red 12-18. Then sell a set of 4 Green, 3 Yellow and 1 Red. (Assuming 8 is the number of the set, and the number of the set is 8.) Then you could easily see what range of damage a unit was at by color.

Yeah, I could do that with different colored panels, too - having the cubes all the same color, but yellow tokens for 1-6, red tokens for 7-12, and purple tokens for 12-18.

Green feels wrong to me for damage, for some reason

My group use these: http://www.counterattackbases.co.uk/fantasy-battle-games-wound-post-and-rings

Red ring for 5 damage, white for 1.

Dice ll the way for me. If your worried about them moving around just have a base with a border on it. The plastic ones mantic are releasing look nice if a little pricey (you are paying for the stacking tokens) a couple of match sticks glued onto a spare base in a similar fashion has always worked for me.

Seems like it would be easy to just leave a couple of empty spots in your movement tray to put dice in.

 adamsouza wrote:
I just can't do it. If I'm going to use markers, there is no way unmarked markers are going to be more convenient than numbered ones.
I get that some people will prefer them from an aesthetic point of view, but adding up 1's, 5's, and 10's just isn't faster, or more convenient, than reading the top number off of a D20.

Ah, that pic does show unmarked; mine are marked with big ol fat 1, 5, 10 printed on them. Weird.
Dice of D10 or larger have an annoying habit of rolling around. D6's have an annoying habit of being rolled.

I do like the idea of big ass special looking dice with 1-6, 7-12, and 13-18 on them.

I'd suggest using the numbers 1-5 and then a 10. That way if you have three die out for a unit you can set them next to the unit and do similar to roman numbers by having a 10, a 5 and a 2 for a total of 17. Likewise you could do a 1-9, 10, 20 and 30 so then you could have a die with 1-5 and 10 on it, a die with 6-9, a 0 and 20 on it and then a set with 1-5 and a 30. I haven't played a game where more than 30 was needed and this would still let you get to 39.

Ooo - I have an idea! Kings of War Unit Clix Base Movement Trays of Dooms! Coming soon to a Kickstarter near you.

Actually, an acrylic dial might not be too hard...