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Legs are very tiny, I'm not a fan of that aesthetic--however--if you're going to use it then some kind of chunky earth elemental/golem is probably the best place. Those kinds of things tend to run chunky and this wouldn't be the only example of one with chunky legs, surely (though I can't bring too many examples to mind just this moment, of either kind).

Tiny legs don't bother me for gaming pieces, because you almost never view them head on. You are almost always looking down at gaming models, which means the upper body is far more important.

Nothing wrong with pointing out an aesthetic choice you don't like, of course, but I have zero problems with stubby legs in models for gaming.

privateer4hire wrote:
Barzam, Have you contacted on Facebook? My buddy backs Mantic KS's regularly and he's found Ronnie Renton gets things done when messaged there. Not defending that process as the model for customer service but it's helped my buddy get the stuff he's paid for.

Yeah, I did. I got a reply that they would look into it and received no further contact, even when I asked for a follow-up on facebook. I got an email from Dave Symonds or whatever his name is that they were sending out my stuff about a week or so later. And then I received that KOW box.

 Barzam wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:
Barzam, Have you contacted on Facebook? My buddy backs Mantic KS's regularly and he's found Ronnie Renton gets things done when messaged there. Not defending that process as the model for customer service but it's helped my buddy get the stuff he's paid for.

Yeah, I did. I got a reply that they would look into it and received no further contact, even when I asked for a follow-up on facebook. I got an email from Dave Symonds or whatever his name is that they were sending out my stuff about a week or so later. And then I received that KOW box.

Wow. Sorry you're having such a hassle with them.

 NTRabbit wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Were both sets of parts included? I know the Greater Obsidian ones are out, but haven't seen any in the wild.

Scroll up, I posted this on the same page

http://diehardgamefan.com/2015/09/16/tabletop-review-abyssal-dwarf-greater-obsidian-golem-kings-of-war-second-edition/

Thanks for the link - and for the pictures!

That is Mantic Tiny Leg Syndrome taken to the...extreme?

Back to news (radical, I know) KoW for Cancon is full. 50 players, plus a sizable waiting list. Not bad, not bad at all.

That golem is fugly as hell, but I said that when they released it. It's not just the legs, the head is really oversized and it is lacking in texture detail.

...I just don't know what to say.

That Gamefan is still a thing, or that Golem was actually released to retail.

I look at that Golem and I see the potential for some sort of Trollkin sculpt there. The big rocky outgrowths on the back, giant arms, tiny legs... I ought to see if I have any spare dire troll heads laying around.

That model is just so bad. On so many more levels than just missing leg day. I am simply astonished that Mantic actually chose to release this model without someone stopping it along the way.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That model is just so bad. On so many more levels than just missing leg day. I am simply astonished that Mantic actually chose to release this model without someone stopping it along the way.

You must be new to the world of Mantic.

Did they previously post concept art of it to compare with the finished product?

 warboss wrote:
Did they previously post concept art of it to compare with the finished product?

Kickstarter updates #27 and 28 had sketches of the model, it is pretty well a match for the artwork. There was even chat in the comments section about "leg day" that I remember.

You know, if you added some rocks to it, you could make it look like it's coming out of a rock pile or something. Then it wouldn't be quite so... Mantic. Or maybe give it a few more legs. Like some kind of rock golem centaur thing.

 Da Boss wrote:
That golem is fugly as hell, but I said that when they released it. It's not just the legs, the head is really oversized and it is lacking in texture detail.

That's one of the two Golem heads, it has little teture because it's a giant iron helmet rather than the stone golem head.



The one on the left is the golem head, and is just fine on textures. Enough to show it's stone, not so much that it becomes a hassle to paint..

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That model is just so bad. On so many more levels than just missing leg day. I am simply astonished that Mantic actually chose to release this model without someone stopping it along the way.

I'm planning to buy the Elemental version at retail, I quite like it. I really don't see why some people find it bad, but then, I love the Mantic Ogres and Elves, and plenty of people hate them as well. It's all subjective.

Any idea when wave 2 will hit retail?

I may get a dragon or two.

 Theophony wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Did they previously post concept art of it to compare with the finished product?

Kickstarter updates #27 and 28 had sketches of the model, it is pretty well a match for the artwork. There was even chat in the comments section about "leg day" that I remember.

Thanks for the clarification. It looks like those previews (linked below) happened before funding so it isn't a case of bait and switch that Mantic for better or worse has been known for in the past. They're close enough to the art.. the legs are *even* smaller than previewed but reasonably close. That would be my potential issue moreso than an ugly model.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/kings-of-war-fantasy-battle-game-2nd-edition/posts/1069423

 warboss wrote:
bait and switch

I also feel cheated that Lynch's Dune looked nothing like the concept art.

 judgedoug wrote:

I also feel cheated

As well you should. If I had bought a Xmas present and the sign said buy one get one free then you should get one free. Quoting one part of one sentence in a post and changing the subject to something completely unrelated is weird, right?

Were you a financial backer during preproduction for the 1984 movie? I didn't see your name in the credits but I admit I didn't look too closely or even know your name last time I watched. If not, I'm not sure how it applies to my post. If you did back the movie financially in your childhood and they changed the actual look significantly then you have a right to be upset. Also, kudos on having such business smarts at such a tender age.

Just an FYI, I did flat out state that this isn't a case of bait and switch on Mantic's part so you may have your shield setting accidentally on 11 pinging false alerts on posts just with the presence of the words.

 warboss wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Did they previously post concept art of it to compare with the finished product?

Kickstarter updates #27 and 28 had sketches of the model, it is pretty well a match for the artwork. There was even chat in the comments section about "leg day" that I remember.

Thanks for the clarification. It looks like those previews (linked below) happened before funding so it isn't a case of bait and switch that Mantic for better or worse has been known for in the past. They're close enough to the art.. the legs are *even* smaller than previewed but reasonably close. That would be my potential issue moreso than an ugly model.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/kings-of-war-fantasy-battle-game-2nd-edition/posts/1069423

It does look even smaller than the concept art, doesn't it?



But it is well within the "Mantic House Style" though...

They're not identical as the legs are noticeably smaller but the overall design is close enough to still be considered reasonably faithful overall to the concept art IMO. I'm not a backer though so I've got nothing to lose/gain but I'm also not a fan of the golem skipping leg day look (hence my post). At this point, if you're a big boy with your big boy pants (meaning you do your 5 minutes of google research on a company before KS backing), you shouldn't be surprised with this type of stylized mini.

The model looks like a child's copy of the concept art.

It's a bloody awful model.

Looks to me more like the person making the model glued it together wrong. If the arms were glued downwards I don't think it would look quite so ridiculous with legs. More gorilla like and matching the concept art.

I don't care for the new one, but the older lesser golems still tempt me.

The choice of arm positioning there definitely doesn't help it. Mine will be gorilla posed and having seen some like that I'll be quite happy with them.

Will be happy if Mantic move away from tiny legs generally though.

I'm afraid Ronnie & co watched too many looney tunes cartoons as a child



so this is their idealised tough guy

tiny legs are here to stay


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DS Reprints

Posted on December 21, 2015 by Quirkworthy


Mantic asked me today if there were any bits that needed correcting in RoV or AC. I said we should ask you guys, so here I am

The instructions on what sort of thing they’re after was: “We’re looking for typos and incorrect rules more than anything, like the Shield bash special rule being on the card but not in the book, or any wrong symbols on the cards.”

And, before you ask, they need to know any corrections by midnight GMT on the 23rd. Not long then.

So, if you have the time and the inclination, please take a look and let us know. In particular, as AC has already had quite a lot of comment, it would be good to hear if anyone’s been through RoV and found anything amiss.

http://quirkworthy.com/2015/12/21/ds-reprints/

so if you've spotten anything that annoys, frustrates etc pop over to quirkworthy and let Jake know

Anyone else still waiting for their rulebook from the KS (and, as it happens, anything from Dungeon Saga)?

Let's just say I am not at all well disposed towards increasing my $1 Warpath pledge.

Personally, the style of the model reminds me of the Warmachine/Hordes style. That's one reason I don't play that game...

 warboss wrote:
Were you a financial backer

No, but I take it I'm the only one who understands development processes.

 judgedoug wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Were you a financial backer

No, but I take it I'm the only one who understands development processes.

I prefer to have a firm grasp on integrity. The development process should change further when you add in taking customers' money upfront months to years in advance with no refunds. You want to sow your wild creative oats and have the freedom to suddenly change the final product significantly from what was previewed? Sure! Just don't take the money so far in advance or offer full refunds if you do change it. Again, that isn't the situation in THIS case but it certainly is a repeating trend with mantic (both in designs and material) which is why I initially asked.

 Barzam wrote:
You know, if you added some rocks to it, you could make it look like it's coming out of a rock pile or something. Then it wouldn't be quite so... Mantic. Or maybe give it a few more legs. Like some kind of rock golem centaur thing.

I was thinking about having it wading through the earth, leaving a trough of chewed up dirt in its wake.

But, in the end, I think that I would use the Reaper Bones Greater Earth Elemental, who also has Tiny Leg Syndrome... but I that already own.


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