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I know Ronnie has wanted fantasy terrain forever, as a personal pet project, but he's been surprisingly candid and practical in saying that the Deadzone terrain did very little for them, and sold terribly beyond the KS.

Obviously we're getting not-Mordheim, and i'm even hopeful it'll go the route of the surprisingly clever fan-made campaign game someone made for KoW, but we'll just have to see.

That said, Mantic is 100% returning to supporting/developing their own IPs so anything which further expands Mantica, and adds value to their model-line is a proper business move.

The Deadzone scenery thing is weird.

It's like, everyone I show mine to, or game with them for it is all, "Oh, it's super awesome."

Do they ever pick it up in the shop? Nope.

I wonder if it's something to do with the design being too blocky or the like. - "Paintball field" is another phrase I hear a lot about the terrain some people make with it.

I think one reason I haven't bought more is the fact there are never enough connectors in a set to build what I want and the connectors are a premium .

 Compel wrote:
The Deadzone scenery thing is weird.

It's like, everyone I show mine to, or game with them for it is all, "Oh, it's super awesome."

Do they ever pick it up in the shop? Nope.

I wonder if it's something to do with the design being too blocky or the like. - "Paintball field" is another phrase I hear a lot about the terrain some people make with it.

I think along the lines of "paintbal field" it's partly the fact that deadzone scenery usually looks kind of samey. In a world where there are so many options for terrain, a modular system is initially enticing, but not quite as notable as other single-use kits. It's also -while not overly expensive- not a great deal at retail prices.

As I've said elsewhere, the Deadzone sprues have been great for combining with my various terrain projects, but I've got little interest in making entire pieces of terrain with them. I split one of the adepticon packages with a a buddy a few years back, but it will be a while before I buy more.

Warhams-77 wrote:
A few pics of upcoming and w.i.p Mantic products

DS expansion, soon to be released




Green Rage set




Legendary Heroes of Galahir

MGDS04 Dungeon Saga: Warlord of Galahir MSRP: $49.99
MGDS20 Dungeon Saga: The Green Rage Miniature Set MSRP $24.99
MGDS21 Dungeon Saga: Legendary Heroes of Galahir MRSP: $24.99

Mantic open day - from http://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/

Spoiler:

Those "green rage" dungeon saga models look really good!

(and quoting pics over to new page )

I have them. They are ok for a board game, nothing special imho. Though some people seemed to go gah-gah over the DS plastics, I found them to be rather average.

I did a 180 on the Deadzone terrain. When I first saw it, I loved it and bought quite a lot of it. When I had built and painted it, I realised that to me it looked like expensive LEGO, not actual buildings. The connectors poking out, the cube aesthetic with nothing to break up the profile of the pieces... It just looks bad IMO, and doesn't really fit with any other terrain. I realise you could always make the excuse that it's perfect for representing prefab, dropped from orbit building material that's easy to put together quickly, but that doesn't help my suspension of disbelief. thats why I only went in for the accessories (pipes etc) in Deadzone 2, and will be making my own buildings to put them on.

Fair enough. Could also be that it's still pretty expensive, outside of KS, to get a table's worth.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I have them. They are ok for a board game, nothing special imho. Though some people seemed to go gah-gah over the DS plastics, I found them to be rather average.

The detail is great, but they do still warp like crazy. The new plastic used for Deadzone (they switched supplier to the company that FFG uses for Dust Tactics) is much better, they've finally got it right.

With the battlezones terrain, it really depends on what you do with it, some builds look amazing, but that requires buying a lot of the different sets and quite a large spend. The connector system is closer to tehnolog platformer terrain, rather than GW's city of death kits (the best way to do modular terrain IMO since it doesn't involve visible connectors and requires you to glue rather than attempting a "build and unbuild approach").

They are needed for deadzone though, no-one else makes exact 3x3 cube terrain. Someone might give that a shot with the rise of 3d-printed terrain.

I'd say that fantasy terrain could be cool for the little things; fences, barrels, boxes, armoury bits, trader stall bits and maybe some corpses. There seems to be a good amount of fantasy buildings across price ranges. Scatter terrain seems mostly to be resin and expensive though.

The spoilered ghouls are cool, they stood out in the artwork for me, glad to see they made it into models!

That orcling horde is a fun model

As far as DZ goes one level irregular buildings work okay as long as they don't exceed 4x4 I find. Multilevel is a bit harder though. Buildings should align more or less but don't have to. It mattered more in the last edition.

The battlezones range is definitely aimed at beginners. Its pretty easy to get it up and going though.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I have them. They are ok for a board game, nothing special imho. Though some people seemed to go gah-gah over the DS plastics, I found them to be rather average.

The detail is great, but they do still warp like crazy. The new plastic used for Deadzone (they switched supplier to the company that FFG uses for Dust Tactics) is much better, they've finally got it right.

With the battlezones terrain, it really depends on what you do with it, some builds look amazing, but that requires buying a lot of the different sets and quite a large spend. The connector system is closer to tehnolog platformer terrain, rather than GW's city of death kits (the best way to do modular terrain IMO since it doesn't involve visible connectors and requires you to glue rather than attempting a "build and unbuild approach").

They are needed for deadzone though, no-one else makes exact 3x3 cube terrain. Someone might give that a shot with the rise of 3d-printed terrain.

I have to admit - our local group has been pretty much ignoring the 'exact 3x3 cube terrain' - and have been using World Works PDFs instead - which comes with a choice of 1 inch, and 1.5 inch grids. the 1.5 inch grid works fine after a second grid is placed using a straight edge and a felt tip.





One of the builds in the group has been in use for Necromunda for ten years... which never ceases to amaze me - it is a house with children! (It is showing plenty of wear and tear, but is still in use.....)

The Auld Grump - I built that piece of terrain while suffering from a high fever... because it made sense to my fever addled brain to stay awake for forty hours, building a Necromunda board....

Compel wrote:The Deadzone scenery thing is weird.

It's like, everyone I show mine to, or game with them for it is all, "Oh, it's super awesome."

Do they ever pick it up in the shop? Nope.

I don't think terrain is very high on most people's list. Many people would rather build their own (it's cheaper and/or they enjoy making it) or just use the stuff at the FLGS.

NobodyXY wrote:I'd say that fantasy terrain could be cool for the little things; fences, barrels, boxes, armoury bits, trader stall bits and maybe some corpses. There seems to be a good amount of fantasy buildings across price ranges. Scatter terrain seems mostly to be resin and expensive though.

This would be cool, I could use some of those for my builds. From a business point of view; such a product would appeal to more people, so yea.

Fantasy-related - are there any updates or perhaps an ETA on the KoW Historical book?

 Azazelx wrote:
Fantasy-related - are there any updates or perhaps an ETA on the KoW Historical book?

It's in layout.

I they've mentioned that they hope to have it out in late summer..

But no dates finalized, and it could still be delayed by printing/shipping issues etc.

EDIT: It's been a bit delayed. Latest prognosis has it releasing in September.

mattjgilbert wrote:THhe book will now be stand-alone. The full rules will be included along with the stuff already discussed. Alessio's company are doing the layout (I'm speaking to them this morning). Due to their schedules, it's now on the release schedule for September.

http://vb.manticforum.com/forum/kings-of-war/general-discussion-aa/278102-kow-historical-when?p=286035#post286035

Progress shown on the Empire of dust.
Hopefully in stores August.

Mega army:


Army Deal:


Swarrms:


More pictures and info at: http://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2016/06/from-dust-you-came-and-to-dust-you.html


You can pre-order now from Mighty Ape in AUS (Note that prices arre in $AUS obviously).
I suspect prices might rise somewhat before release but if you pre-order at this price, you'll get it for that price.

https://www.mightyape.com.au/Manufacturers/Mantic-Games/Coming-Soon

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The hero and standard might be worth my picking up, if they're sold separately. Once better photos are out in the wild, at least.

 Azazelx wrote:
The hero and standard might be worth my picking up, if they're sold separately.

They are. I was jus too lazy to include all the pictures.

Interesting Hero - is that the Pharaoh with alternate parts?

The Pharoah hero and its alternate looks a bit better than the above, imo - apparently you can construct either one from the blister:



Those swarms look interesting, too - can't get a really good look at them in the pic, though (even slightly larger at the blog):



At the blog link Zywus shared some of the pics show up at larger size if you click on them, just FYI!

That looks to be likely worth picking up once they hit retail.

The swarms are quite well-detailed, lots of tiny little bugs, they're on their own integral 40mm square bases.

Think they'd work well with a silver basecoat then different colour ink washes over the top.

I'll be getting the mega army box, there's quite a lot of stuff in there at a good price and it should be relatively straightforward to paint.

Seeing that, I really wish they'd also release conversion torsos for regular Undead revenants with great weapons. Preferably in the new PVC plastic.

A picture of painted EoD models is up on Beastsofwar:

Cool pic, but it's hard to see what the models actually look like with that paint job. would like some close-ups!

That initial pic is GORGEOUS, but I definitely want to see a closer shot.

What kind of schmuck bases his archers with feet head on, so they are shooting 90 degrees sideways?

Looking good otherwise. I want to see how they mesh with Tomb Kings. Sure could use a few more blocks of skellies.

Looks cool, but I wasn´t convinced by the renders so I need some close-ups before I´m sure.

That is such a sweet army pic. Things like that is why I started KoW!

Too clean for undead IMO. Not bad though. Don't like the Not-shabti guys though.