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That's a Naiad, not an Elf.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
That's a Naiad, not an Elf.

Ah, I see.

I do like the furs and stuff. Gives them a bit of a Inuit feel.

You know, I'm a touch confused by what the goal here is for the Nightstalkers and Northern Alliance.

The funding of the spectrecrow sprue suggests they want to expand these forces into KoW. But a lot of the units are one or two sculpt PVC models. Are they going to try and package 5 identical PVC shadow hounds in a KoW box? Or are they going to consign people who want to play KoW nightstalkers into buying multiple Vanguard warbands to deal with identical sculpt units?

It's all a bit muddled between two games.

But I do have to be fair after complaining about the value of the pledges - I think they're getting close, even if there's a bit of a 'skirmish tax'. They should have started with two warbands in the base pledge all along, instead of having it be the 'Crazy Ronnie' maneuver.

I think some (hopefully all) of the stuff in 3's and 5's of identical artwork will not be identical models.

If so, this could obviously be communicated better.

A bunch of the abyssal stuff started like this with dungeon saga, just one pose in pvc then a multipart kit was later released for KoW. For instance the molochs and hellhounds.

 Zywus wrote:
I think some (hopefully all) of the stuff in 3's and 5's of identical artwork will not be identical models.

If so, this could obviously be communicated better.

I think Mantic mentioned heads and weapons/arms can be posed. They specifically spoke about the Abbysal Hellequin where the horse and torso will be identical for each mini, just the heads and arms can be posed.

Also, from one of the updates regarding Basileans:

"Even better, we'll also be putting some different arm and head options into the Basilean Warband so you can give even more character to your retinue."

If I got the two player pledge and the $20 resin upgrades, would I get all the Basilean sculpts/minis? Do I need to add $20 for the HIPS Basileans, too?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
If I got the two player pledge and the $20 resin upgrades, would I get all the Basilean sculpts/minis? Do I need to add $20 for the HIPS Basileans, too?

The 2-player warbands have everything except the resin uppgrades, so the 2 player set plus the $20 resin basilean upgrades gives you all Basilean models. (plus nightstalker and abyssal warbands, lacking their resin upgrades)

That's what I want. Thanks!

$130k reached and spectres added to the warband pledges.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/kings-of-war-vanguard-the-fantasy-skirmish-wargame/posts/2042483

Next up, the dead spy and some succubi



Some clarification on the succubi:

At $140,000 we'll be adding five hard plastic Succubi to the Abyssals. There was a little bit of confusion when we first announced this goal. There are actually three different types of Succubi in the Abyssals warband:

Succubus Seductress (resin leader)
Succubus Lurkers (PVC plastic)
Succubi (hard plastic) - these are the ones that will be added to the Abyssals at $140,000 and they're actually our existing hard plastic miniatures.

New goal revealed
An exclusive book cover for backers


Also, it looks like there'll be a warband revealed for the Northern alliance.
Judging from the comments, a pic of the warband was temporarily shown by mistake, but I wasn't around then.
We now have this pic instead.

But it seems like the NA will be upon us after the weekend.

KS exclusive book cover is sure to win over the fence-sitters...

 Nostromodamus wrote:
KS exclusive book cover is sure to win over the fence-sitters...

Hmm, yea, we'll see about that

Maybe the northern alliance will get some momentum going.

Finally gave the vanguard kickstarter the once-over and I think I'm gonna pass.I might pick up the rulebook in the future (and likely at the same or a cheaper price than the kickstarter) but for now I'll hold off.

I'm already swimming in fantasy figures -both painted and unpainted- and though the figs are nice enough, there's nothing in the current range that excites me. Further, I've already got warband games (Song of Blades and Frostgrave) and Platoon (Dragon Ramapnt) that I really enjoy and even though I'm enjoying our club's Walking Dead Campaign (for which the GM is providing everything)...
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2017/11/10/the-scenic-route-a-walking-dead-campaign-chapter-2-up-nw/...
I'm not sure I want to buy any more games with special dice.

That said, I've been happy with Mantic KS's in the past for the most part, so I'm sure the kickstarter is well worth it. Just not for me.

Did anybody bother to grab the photo before it disappeared.

It's no secret that I'm quite fond of WOW/ Warmachine style over armored fighters and this latest art is definitely getting me interested.

I prefer the helmeted variety but no bigee. At least I've got my new Northkin Trolls filling a similar niche very soon.

If I'm not mistaken, the bonus Abyssal warband in the 2 player starter and Join the Vanguard pledges does not include the character models. So I'd have to add them separately, right?

The Northern Alliance is interesting. Would like to know more about them than the couple of paragraphs in the HC rulebook.

About the scarecrows, for people who dislike the tentacles (not flames) on the legs, note that they mentionned that the kit would be compatible with their zombie sprue, and that using zombie heads and arms on scarecrow bodies would make very nice doppelgangers, but in theory this should mean that you might be able to use scarecrow heads on zombies (or ghouls ?) bodies too for those wanting tentatcle-less scarecrows (and still have the rest of both kits to make spectres or doppelgagners)

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, the bonus Abyssal warband in the 2 player starter and Join the Vanguard pledges does not include the character models. So I'd have to add them separately, right?.

Yup.

Although, if you want all the models, it's perhaps better to pledge for the 'Join the vanguard' pledge instead and add the second Warband and abyssall characters as add-ons. That's $5 more but you get all the terrain crate stuff.

jtrowell wrote:
About the scarecrows, for people who dislike the tentacles (not flames) on the legs, note that they mentionned that the kit would be compatible with their zombie sprue, and that using zombie heads and arms on scarecrow bodies would make very nice doppelgangers, but in theory this should mean that you might be able to use scarecrow heads on zombies (or ghouls ?) bodies too for those wanting tentatcle-less scarecrows (and still have the rest of both kits to make spectres or doppelgagners)

I am still unsure how rotting fleshy legs from zombies are any more fitting for scarecrows than the original tentacle/flame ones. Plus effectively paying double to make effective models seems equally off.

I'd prefer 4 proper scarecrows and 4 proper spectres in the sprue, that's just 1 part more on the sprue than 5 dual bodies (8 legs, 8 torsos vs 5 legs, 10 torsos)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'd prefer 4 proper scarecrows and 4 proper spectres in the sprue, that's just 1 part more on the sprue than 5 dual bodies (8 legs, 8 torsos vs 5 legs, 10 torsos)

I thought specters were just a head+arm change.


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New Giant pledge level for $150.

You basically get a free giant if you planned on going all in anyway. Very nice update.

Nobody posting about the giant update?



Supposed to be in plastic and as large as the Mars Attacks stompy robot, which was a pretty good size.
Available as a separate add on...



Or as part of the new Giant pledge available too.



New pledge is basically all 3 Warbands (Basilean, Abyssal, Nightstalker) with all the resins included, the giant, and all the terrain crate scenery as well.

Not a bad little deal at that price then. May have to up my pledge.

What would certainly be crazy is if the Northern Alliance stuff ends up included in the pledge as well!

I like the look of that giant.

"Plastic" why can't Mantic just come out and say what type of plastic why the big secret it's clearly going to be PVC for the price and funding required.

I don't know- the Martian robot wasn't PVC was it? I thought it was the high injection plastic. I could be wrong though.

The Martian one was hard plastic, but it was also desprued and preassembled in the factory like a similar sized action figure, so it was easy to miss that.

It was desprued, yes, but I don't think it was assembled. Maybe the torso. I remember having to get the legs aligned

If they went that route with the giant that could work. Solid core, clipped limbs... my concern is having enough options to build it more than one way.

Maybe optional parts as a future stretch goal?

We got a chest, hips, 2 arms, and 2 legs in a bag (plus the dome and pilots), so not "assembled", but each of those things was 2 parts on the sprue (front and back, or left and right), which were glued together in the factory, so all the tell-tale pin marks were hidden away on the inside of the final body parts.

Mars Attacks was sold as a boardgame though, which means minimum assembly for the player, they won't need to go that far making a giant for two out and out miniatures games. If it's hard plastic on a sprue, they'll leave it on the sprue, or do the desprue-and-bag job like the Warpath vehicles.

 DaveC wrote:
"Plastic" why can't Mantic just come out and say what type of plastic why the big secret it's clearly going to be PVC for the price and funding required.

I was just about to ask for clarification here!

If Mantic says 'Resin', does that mean similar to FW resin?

If Mantic says "Hard Plastic" they mean HIPs ala GW?

If Mantic doesn't mention a material, they mean PVC?

Also, has the 3' x 3' paper mat been hinted at going to Mousepad material? Even if only as an add on?

Or was that too expensive in terms of shipping last time around to make sense here?

Yeah $30.

 Alpharius wrote:


If Mantic says 'Resin', does that mean similar to FW resin?
don't know what FW is doing at the moment, but yes Resin (Polyurethane) like everyone else

If Mantic says "Hard Plastic" they mean HIPs ala GW?
or Renadra, Revell, Tamiya etc, yes everyone write hard plastic if they mean HIPS

If Mantic doesn't mention a material, they mean PVC?
or plastic, or Boardgame plastic, yes PVC like material

Also, has the 3' x 3' paper mat been hinted at going to Mousepad material? Even if only as an add on?
yes