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Wow, those are great looking, thanks for posting

Ohhhhh.... I must have those Abyssals and the Night Stalkers. I kinda hope they do an up-armor kit for their basilean panthers too... they'd look badass witht he he-man battlecat treatment.

I've been super impressed with some of the recent mantic sculpts - their resins from the edge of the abyss campaign were *great*.

Nice! Looking much better Mantic!

Vanguard and Terrain Crate updates this morning

Vanguard Resins

Basileans - I'm glad the wings are totally separate it's one of the things I don't like about the Basilean design so I can leave them off.



Nightstalkers



Northern Alliance - first look at the Frostfang Cavalry, the fur looks good that's often a problem on these type of minis

Also, we've produced an example of the Frost Giant Upgrade Kit. This may have turned out slightly bigger than we expected... so the $10 kit is certainly great value. The weapon alone is bigger than some of our existing resins! Basically the slightly lighter grey parts are the pieces you'll be receiving if you opted for the Frost Giant kit in the pledge manager. What a beast!

That's a giant giant!

Oh my...he's HUUGE!

The giant is nice, but something seems off with his leg - especially the lower leg...

Thats part of the upgrade kit. Big furry boots. Im sure you could leave them off if you wished.

 Tyr13 wrote:
Thats part of the upgrade kit. Big furry boots. Im sure you could leave them off if you wished.

Who wouldn’t want boots with the fur?

 Modock wrote:
Oh my...he's HUUGE!

That’s what... oh, never mind...

Valete,

JohnS

Too huge. Most dragons don't reach his waist. That's silly.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Tyr13 wrote:
Thats part of the upgrade kit. Big furry boots. Im sure you could leave them off if you wished.

Who wouldn’t want boots with the fur?

Apple bottom jeans another upgrade?

The giant looks like he turned out nice, the resins also look really nice from what I can tell.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Too huge. Most dragons don't reach his waist. That's silly.

My thought as well. It’s been a while since I looked at my army lists, but I thought multiple giants were a thing, and having one or more of these guys on a table would be ridiculous.

When your army consists of things like mostly Mierce models, that giant won't look all that big.......

Now I just need to find out if I ordered the upgrade parts or not.

All those resins look good, hoping the PVC stuff turns out as nice.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Too huge. Most dragons don't reach his waist. That's silly.

Well, it's a giant. How big is a giant or dragon? Go through 30 years of Citadel, Ral Partha, RAFM giants and tell me which are right or wrong. Then add Forge World and Mierce into the mix.

While I think that giant is pretty cool, and I'll be happy to get however many I ordered (at least 2 + 1 upgrade), I'm more worried by the fact that they apparently didn't know how big it would turn out? Or to be more precise, the implications for that on other, future models.

 Azazelx wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Too huge. Most dragons don't reach his waist. That's silly.

Well, it's a giant. How big is a giant or dragon? Go through 30 years of Citadel, Ral Partha, RAFM giants and tell me which are right or wrong. Then add Forge World and Mierce into the mix.

While I think that giant is pretty cool, and I'll be happy to get however many I ordered (at least 2 + 1 upgrade), I'm more worried by the fact that they apparently didn't know how big it would turn out? Or to be more precise, the implications for that on other, future models.

I believe that is in reference to the upgrade kit not the giant, I.e. they didn't realise how much resin would be used in the boots/weapon/head/shoulder cape etc, if they had they wouldn't have been selling the upgrade kit for $10.

There's a load of information on the KoW story collection out next month and the future novels they have planned in the latest Counter Charge podcast:

http://www.ohiohammer.com/counter-chargeccx/2018/4/7/247-winged-hussar-publishing

YouKnowsIt wrote:
There's a load of information on the KoW story collection out next month and the future novels they have planned in the latest Counter Charge podcast:

http://www.ohiohammer.com/counter-chargeccx/2018/4/7/247-winged-hussar-publishing

If you can, please let me know how many actual paper books they plan to release and when.

 Azazelx wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Too huge. Most dragons don't reach his waist. That's silly.

Well, it's a giant. How big is a giant or dragon? Go through 30 years of Citadel, Ral Partha, RAFM giants and tell me which are right or wrong. Then add Forge World and Mierce into the mix.

While I think that giant is pretty cool, and I'll be happy to get however many I ordered (at least 2 + 1 upgrade), I'm more worried by the fact that they apparently didn't know how big it would turn out? Or to be more precise, the implications for that on other, future models.

I suspect LBF means that it’s scale is complete nonsense in relation to Mantic’s other monster models going by that picture, rather than it breaking some inherent unwritten rule about wargaming giant models.

But it's a giant. I've got almost all the KoW rulebooks, and I don't recall any definitive sizing descriptions on how large various monsters are. There's also nothing wrong with them changing and redoing their monsters. GW have certainly done the same, multiple times. And anyway? How big is a giant? Sizing looks fine to me.

A larger dragon in their future to replace the Boardgamish one from DKH? Sure.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:




If you can, please let me know how many actual paper books they plan to release and when.

From the sounds of it I believe it's the anthology end of May and then at least 2 novels next year.

 Azazelx wrote:
But it's a giant. I've got almost all the KoW rulebooks, and I don't recall any definitive sizing descriptions on how large various monsters are. There's also nothing wrong with them changing and redoing their monsters. GW have certainly done the same, multiple times. And anyway? How big is a giant? Sizing looks fine to me.

A larger dragon in their future to replace the Boardgamish one from DKH? Sure.

One problem with Mantic seemingly going the GW route of scale-creeping their monsters bigger and bigger is that the rules of KoW (generally) penalize you for using a lager base than the nominal 50x50mm (or sometimes 50x100)mm specified as standard for monsters, even though you're allowed to use a larger base if the model needs that.

Pretty sure they're working on a rule change that creates two classes of monster, the current one on 50x50 or 100x50, and a larger one on 75x75 or ?x?, balanced and pointed accordingly. Similar to the difference between infantry and heavy infantry.

I wonder how he scales vs the Mierce giant. I expect they'd be rather close to one another...

hah, poor Mantic. They're getting bitched at for not following someone's internal size consistency for how big giants should be in Mantic's own ... fantasy... universe.

that giant is giant
HARD PASS

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm more worried by the fact that they apparently didn't know how big it would turn out? Or to be more precise, the implications for that on other, future models.

IIRC the original concept artwork for the upgrade pieces showed them as attachments to the model. From what they have shown it looks likely that the upgrade pieces are now are replacement parts for the model instead. Replacement parts is a much more robust solution but means they the individual pieces are much bigger than anticipated.

Giants will only become more giant so long as there is an advantage to being able to reach the succulent leaves at the tops of trees. If you want your giants to get smaller, you need to trap a breeding population on an island.


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If there really is an advantage to using smaller giant minis, just use a converted ogre as a Pygmy Giant who swam to the mainland.

 NTRabbit wrote:
Pretty sure they're working on a rule change that creates two classes of monster, the current one on 50x50 or 100x50, and a larger one on 75x75 or ?x?, balanced and pointed accordingly. Similar to the difference between infantry and heavy infantry.

Yeah, that's been rumoured to be in the works for a while. Maybe in 3rd ed?

It would be welcome, since it's a bit silly that their official dragons are sold on bases bigger than what they nominally have, and can't really fit on anything less. It'll better facilitate the use of peoples existing modern GW monsters as well, without getting too penalized.

LOL! Evolutionary adaptation in action!

Still, early humans hunted pygmy elephants to extinction ... so the same may occur with pygmy giants.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Giants will only become more giant so long as there is an advantage to being able to reach the succulent leaves at the tops of trees. If you want your giants to get smaller, you need to trap a breeding population on an island.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
If there really is an advantage to using smaller giant minis, just use a converted ogre as a Pygmy Giant who swam to the mainland.