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 Alpharius wrote:

Zwan1One wrote:
Good spot! This is exciting news. I look forward to wrapping it up for Xmas. Then unwrapping it on Xmas Day!

Not on the boat yet = not a good chance of getting this in time for Christmas though...

I guess I'll have to postpone Xmas! It's the only reasonable outcome. My fiancé and all the family will just have to deal with it.

Sanity be damned!

It's a shame we won't get it for Christmas. :(

it's past "not a good chance" by now; on a reasonably priced ship, it'll take *at least* 3,5 weeks, probably a month, just in port-to-port transit.

...yeah, it'll be late January before us folks not living just about next to one of the two shipping depots actually get this stuff, at the earliest.

...oh well; at least I'll have dreadball (at least some KS project creators tend to keep their deadlines )

Both of my kickstarters are delayed past Christmas. No presents for me

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Both of my kickstarters are delayed past Christmas. No presents for me

You must have been very naughty this year...

Was going to say the same, presumably just the lump of coal for Andrew1975 then this year!

Two kickstarters down. If mantic does not deliver their dreadball I am going to have one sad Christmas!

they will, don't worry basically, everything aside from midgard delvers and skittersneak stealers is about ready to go for the november shipment; and those will be with them this week.
it should all ship before december, so we can be reasonably sure we'll get it in time

silent25 wrote:
Remember 1/3 of the copies were delayed due to Chinese printer shenanigans. Even if those pictured were sitting in a warehouse in the UK, they won't ship till they can meet all the orders. The anger and outrage over the Zombicide fiasco shows supporters will have zero tolerance if it seems that some people are not getting their copies the same time as everyone else. Let everyone wait instead of having a fraction get angry and cancel because they didn't have theirs when everyone else is showing off their Christmas copies.

The anger and outrage over the Zombicide fiasco was because CMON started selling copies at conventions before they'd finished sending out preorders, not because some preorderers got theirs before other preorderers.

Remember in one of the earlier updates Mike did say that the stuff was going on a fast ship, so I wouldn't discount the possibilty of it getting in in time for Xmas shipping

The big ? will be customs deciding it's not weapons of mass destruction, illegal imigrants or drugs fast enough

...True. that is still three weeks however, plus handling so don't hold your breath (with the abysmally slow/unreliable UK-NL shipping of late I'm actually 100% sure I'm not getting it in time)

i get a few things that are shipped from china and they normaly take 2 weeks by sea ,so with this lot having to be checked by customs i guessing its gona be at least 3 weeks plus at least 2 weeks to get them sorted/addressed at studio mcvey so i wouldnt hold my breath ...early new year in thinking .

So who's up for volunteering to help the mcveys with the sorting/dispatch?

well the elves will be busy up north this time of year ! lol

 CURNOW wrote:
i get a few things that are shipped from china and they normaly take 2 weeks by sea ,so with this lot having to be checked by customs i guessing its gona be at least 3 weeks plus at least 2 weeks to get them sorted/addressed at studio mcvey so i wouldnt hold my breath ...early new year in thinking .

Hmm two weeks would be the absolute top speed ships available; if they use that it's gonna cost them quite a bit more (actually I'd be all for getting my game a bit later if it made a substantial difference to the McVey's profit margin; slower shipping is substantially easier on the environment as well. Oh well, never mind anyway ).
still even at two weeks as you say, it ain't going to be before christmas unless everything goes silky smooth and even then only UK residents will have theirs in time

Remember there are 2 shipments, one for europe coming into the UK,

One for the rest of the world coming in via the USA & CMON

New Update from Mike on the Studio McVey forum:

Okay - looks like another update is in order. I promise that I don't hold off posting here to frustrate people, it's just hard to know when to post if there is nothing definite to say (and I'm not going to post a report every day saying "sorry, no news today!").

I'm pretty frustrated at this point too - the game is 100% done and ready as it has been for a while, but the intricacies of the shipping process are a mystery to me, and I speak as someone who has arranged and coordinated many shipments from China over the years. The last I heard (today) was that it was still in the booking process - which means they are finding suitable boats to load the goods onto. This is what usually causes delays - it's not like shipping a single package that will always take around the same time, and transport for that package leaves on a regular basis. The shipping agent has to find a suitable boat (i.e., that is headed where you want the goods, and has room), and book onto that. If there is a delay it may miss that boat and have to wait for another - I have even had goods taken off a boat that was damaged in port and had to be loaded onto another.

So yes - the bad news is, it seems highly unlikely that the game will make it into your hands before Christmas, and I can't even begin to tell you how sad that makes me. We've worked long and hard on this product with the sole intention of letting people play it and (hopefully) have a great time. The reality is though - once it's in the production process, it's largely out of my hands - and that's pretty frustrating. The most I can do it beg, plead, shout and cajole to try and speed things along - sometimes that helps and sometimes it doesn't. The truth is also - the KS created a lot more work - new components and a double sized production run, and we underestimated how long that was going to take to run through the factories. Then we had the melt-down with the printing company, which we came out of relatively unscathed, apart from making things later. Believe me, that could have gone A LOT worse for us...

In the mean time, all I can do it take care of the things that are within my control - and that's the extra figures and content for the Kick-starter rewards, (which are going really well) and continue to work on Sedition Wars: AoS (which I am extremely excited about!).

So that's the update - not great news I'm afraid. I promise though, as soon as I know the games are on the ocean, I'll post the news here.

cheers for now

mike

Least shocking news ever!

Now we can hopefully go back to news, previews and rumors on the game itself rather than idle Christmas wish-listing!

 Alpharius wrote:
Least shocking news ever!

Now we can hopefully go back to news, previews and rumors on the game itself rather than idle Christmas wish-listing!

Not exactly idle for me. Unless I can guarantee that it will be delivered in the first three weeks of January before I move, there's no telling when/if I'll get mine as I need to e-mail CMoN with a different address and hope they oblige(they'd better, since we don't have a choice in moving thanks to the Pentagon). Even then, I need to have it sent to my in-laws since we may not know the address on whatever place we may rent or buy in time and they're the closest to where we're going(3 hour drive).

You should be able to change your address in the pledge manager right up to the last minute

just log back in, redo the address and click save

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
You should be able to change your address in the pledge manager right up to the last minute

just log back in, redo the address and click save

Good to know, thanks! The way the e-mails were worded seemed to suggest that once we locked it in, we couldn't change anything.

No problem, everything else is locked, the address you can alter

they will lock this address changing 'close' to the shipping date so you might want to change it to your inlaws now and then change it again (if you can) when you know where you'll be stationed just to be safe

(as we don't know how 'close' is 'close' if you see what I mean)

I'll have to come up with a new plan to sneak this into the house. As I now won't be able to do it in xmas wrapping paper. They sound gutted in that latest update. Must be very frustating for them.

 DaveC wrote:
New Update from Mike on the Studio McVey forum:

...
The truth is also - the KS created a lot more work - new components and a double sized production run, and we underestimated how long that was going to take to run through the factories.
...
In the mean time, all I can do it take care of the things that are within my control - and that's the extra figures and content for the Kick-starter rewards...

This nicely ties into something we were talking about earlier, regarding these really successful kickstarters overwhelming small business concerns. Notice also, beyond overwhelming their capacity for putting out the real product, the immense work now being expended for what is, essentially, dead-end product.

That is, the kickstarter rewards (some of which are looking quite nice), don't have the capacity to bring in new business, no matter how good they are. They were limited (unless I am very much misremembering) to the kickstarter only.

In this type of situation, I think that some of the later kickstarters have had the right idea: make the deal sweet for pledgers, but don't obligate yourself to produce a lot of one-shot material. Consider Dreamforge, which has only 2 (spectacular, in fairness) kickstarter exclusive models (Ada and the Feral Handler), and Dreadball, which has very little KS exclusive material (a couple of MVPs I think, and some trophies?).

Sedition Wars, by contrast has... a dozen character models to make that are limited editions? Of course, the ultimate expression of the later business model is probably Reaper, where the only exclusive pieces were... uh, Sophie? Seriously, was there anything else?

Great points, Buzzsaw!

It's a total of eighteen, I believe (strain infected sculpts add up!); however, only six of those are 'freebies'. The other 12 have been sold as "limited edition" extras at $5 a pop. Not only will they have sold two to three thousand of each, on average (4250 backers, many will have not bought them, but plenty got multiples; it's weird to see what the 'LE bug' can do on KS projects ), which they'll *easily* make a good profit on; they only had to give a few freebies in the main set to show enough stretch goals to keep folks interested in promoting their campaign for them.

as long as they can get enough sculptors together to get it all done it's a nice extra profit for them.
Because they got folks to essentially preorder them 9 months in advance, and in great bulk, they can produce them dirt cheap in plastic, shipping them along with packages which would already ship anyway and let's face it: a single 28mm plastic figure isn't all that big or heavy
Really, I think these kinds of add-ons actually make the most money of all for a campaign like this!

Never understood the point of creating a LE model for a very limited run (such as KS) paying the sculptor and production cost seems like a waste. Why not continue to profit from it?

If anything make it semi-available. Allowed to purchase why you buy $XXX.XX of product from the store.

Oh well.

I bought 6 of each LE model.

10 if you count the number of people piggy backed on me.

Mike has said that some of the LE models will be available from conventions and shows he attends in future. The glow in the dark set as well as the calamity crew I seem to remember being mentioned...

 Piston Honda wrote:
Never understood the point of creating a LE model for a very limited run (such as KS) paying the sculptor and production cost seems like a waste. Why not continue to profit from it?

If anything make it semi-available. Allowed to purchase why you buy $XXX.XX of product from the store.

Oh well.

I bought 6 of each LE model.

10 if you count the number of people piggy backed on me.

You probably answered your own question!

It whips the Crowd Funding... crowd into a frenzy, and gets close to 100% of the people who already backed to UP their pledge amount.

And, it gets people to buy more than one, as they are "Limited Edition" figures never to appear again for sale except for a lot of places down the road, sorta kinda maybe!

and actually these KS models will be a lot less limited than the normal Studio McVey models which are all limited to 750 units only,

my guess is the KS figures will be in the 3-4000 range (which is nice)


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(well the resins are limited, the sedition wars metals are unlimited but before the KS probably wern't a mainstay of the business)